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03-25-2019 02:52 PM
Cyber Locc
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
I think hitting the power limit causes very very short declocks to very low speeds. When it triggers it goes to 300 MHz for xx microseconds, or something similar, so we see these randomly timed stops averaged into our normal max clocks. This causes the reported clock rate to fluctuate down but that does not tell us anything about the real min clock that would allow it to never throttle.

Also, Nvidia has done a pretty amazing job at keeping power down without hurting performance very much. Increasing the max clock keeps increasing performance, even when the card is already triggering the power limit. I like steady clocks but it looks like opening up the power a lot is usually worth less than a +50 MHz OC, unless you have an unusually power heavy load. On battery or heat constrained I think this throttling tech would actually be very good.

I am not sure about your auto-decreasing power limit, I never saw that with my FE 2080 Ti.

Looks like im overreacting anyway, that 7702 would have landed me in the top 60 of Timespy Extreme, if not for the crap Haswell E CPU. We will fix that, RVIEO and I9 9940x on the way
03-25-2019 08:00 AM
MrTOOSHORT
Quote: Originally Posted by dante`afk View Post
noob question: so I did the shunt mod, but how do I know it actually works without multimeter?

Before i could do 2160, depending on temps, if it stays below 38c it sticks, if it goes above 40c it goes down to 2145mhz. Now after the mod it kinda still does the same?
Shunt mod affects power limit, temperature bins still apply.
03-25-2019 07:33 AM
dante`afk noob question: so I did the shunt mod, but how do I know it actually works without multimeter?

Before i could do 2160, depending on temps, if it stays below 38c it sticks, if it goes above 40c it goes down to 2145mhz. Now after the mod it kinda still does the same?
03-24-2019 01:41 PM
Cyber Locc
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
I think hitting the power limit causes very very short declocks to very low speeds. When it triggers it goes to 300 MHz for xx microseconds, or something similar, so we see these randomly timed stops averaged into our normal max clocks. This causes the reported clock rate to fluctuate down but that does not tell us anything about the real min clock that would allow it to never throttle.

Also, Nvidia has done a pretty amazing job at keeping power down without hurting performance very much. Increasing the max clock keeps increasing performance, even when the card is already triggering the power limit. I like steady clocks but it looks like opening up the power a lot is usually worth less than a +50 MHz OC, unless you have an unusually power heavy load. On battery or heat constrained I think this throttling tech would actually be very good.

I am not sure about your auto-decreasing power limit, I never saw that with my FE 2080 Ti.
I think it has semblance to what you said, when my power limit hits 130% it drops it, it does not allow for the PL to ever stay at 130%, it says 130% for a split second and then its reduced to 100%, and then climbs back up, hits 130% again and then its forcefully lowered again.

I watched in HWmonitor, and my card never even gets the max wattage they claim it can. The wattage will climb to 338, the second it hits 338, it drops immediately down to 250, and then climbs back up.

I'm not too disappointed though, as apparently from watching some videos today, It took jay a AC cooled rad to get a 7722, and I got 7715 (https://www.3dmark.com/spy/6676616), with 68f ambient on a standard loop
03-23-2019 11:31 PM
Asmodian
Quote: Originally Posted by Cyber Locc View Post
The other thing I noticed, if I just up the power target to 130 and leave the clocks alone, the card clocks up to 2050 by itself, and it drops then into the high 1800s, low 1900s and back up. However with my overclock, it drops from 2190 to 2025 at lowest, so I dont think its a thermal limit, or a power limit, as that doesn't make any sense. If either was the cause, it would stop down clocking if its at lower clocks, and it doesn't stop. The card just down clocks, for seemingly no reason.
I think hitting the power limit causes very very short declocks to very low speeds. When it triggers it goes to 300 MHz for xx microseconds, or something similar, so we see these randomly timed stops averaged into our normal max clocks. This causes the reported clock rate to fluctuate down but that does not tell us anything about the real min clock that would allow it to never throttle.

Also, Nvidia has done a pretty amazing job at keeping power down without hurting performance very much. Increasing the max clock keeps increasing performance, even when the card is already triggering the power limit. I like steady clocks but it looks like opening up the power a lot is usually worth less than a +50 MHz OC, unless you have an unusually power heavy load. On battery or heat constrained I think this throttling tech would actually be very good.

I am not sure about your auto-decreasing power limit, I never saw that with my FE 2080 Ti.
03-23-2019 01:40 PM
Cyber Locc
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
I think most of that really is the power limit, when it isn't temps. Watch the "Performance Limit - Power" in HWiNFO64 or Afterburner's "Power limit", do you see it triggering? I also miss the days of set and forget GPU clocks, until I remember cards that died fast due to thermals (today's cards would downclock) and the general quality of the hardware then. A new "I don't mind if you die" option to take total control would be great though.
Yes, thats my issue though.

The when it downlocks, it lowers the power limit first. Which makes zero sense, if its not hitting the current power limit, and temps are fine, why drop it? So what happens when it downclocks, is it drops the Power target from 130% to 115%-124%, and then the clocks drop. again for no reason.

In Heaven and Valley the PT stays at 130%.

Ill try that other bench later, I been out the game for awhile lol, Lots of new stuff .


The other thing I noticed, if I just up the power target to 130 and leave the clocks alone, the card clocks up to 2050 by itself, and it drops then into the high 1800s, low 1900s and back up. However with my overclock, it drops from 2190 to 2025 at lowest, so I dont think its a thermal limit, or a power limit, as that doesn't make any sense. If either was the cause, it would stop down clocking if its at lower clocks, and it doesn't stop. The card just down clocks, for seemingly no reason.
03-23-2019 12:19 PM
Asmodian
Quote: Originally Posted by Cyber Locc View Post
Ya my wife likes it hot in the house, so I can only bench at reasonable temps at night, till couple months. If its cold outside she wants it 80, if its hot she wants it 60, Women man. Also this is on my bench, so way rad limited. I need more rad, and more Wattage .
The way these cards drop clocks at temperature steps, even below 50°C, means lower temps are almost always good simply for that reason. My best behavior was with all the doors and windows open in winter.

After the mod I get perfectly stable clocks and voltages within each temperature bin, as temperature goes up I see it drop clock/voltage down in clean steps.

Quote: Originally Posted by Cyber Locc View Post
What aggravates me, is the curve wont stick. So I can do 2200 at 1.093, when it sticks, and I can do 1185 at 1.081 I think it is, it doesnt matter, because the curve will only let me set custom clock for 1.
The way clocks, volts, and power limit throttling interact don't make sense when simply looking at monitoring software's reports. I think things are changing even faster than we can see so the reports don't tell us what is actually going on. Differences is aliasing and/or averaging methods will cause oddities.

If I lower the power limit a lot it doesn't matter what I overclock to, I always see dips. I can set the overclock to the lowest clock it reported dipping to and it will report dipping a bit lower.

My 8K Superposition max clock of 2115 MHz is also my min clock (6033):


But the score directly below mine has a max clock of 2145MHz (6022):


Quote: Originally Posted by Cyber Locc View Post
So when the voltage drops, it drops way more clocks then it needs. I guess I need to try setting a low clock only, and see what it does for the upper clocks. The card just doesn't want to let me manage it, and I cant stand that.
I think most of that really is the power limit, when it isn't temps. Watch the "Performance Limit - Power" in HWiNFO64 or Afterburner's "Power limit", do you see it triggering? I also miss the days of set and forget GPU clocks, until I remember cards that died fast due to thermals (today's cards would downclock) and the general quality of the hardware then. A new "I don't mind if you die" option to take total control would be great though.
03-22-2019 08:35 PM
Cyber Locc
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
I see, even Timespy Extreme isn't too high power so that makes sense.

I think the odd voltage drops might simply be lower voltage+clock+temperature bins that at that particular temperature happen to stay the same clock.
Ya my wife likes it hot in the house, so I can only bench at reasonable temps at night, till couple months. If its cold outside she wants it 80, if its hot she wants it 60, Women man. Also this is on my bench, so way rad limited. I need more rad, and more Wattage .

What aggravates me, is the curve wont stick. So I can do 2200 at 1.093, when it sticks, and I can do 1185 at 1.081 I think it is, it doesnt matter, because the curve will only let me set custom clock for 1.

So when the voltage drops, it drops way more clocks then it needs. I guess I need to try setting a low clock only, and see what it does for the upper clocks. The card just doesn't want to let me manage it, and I cant stand that.
03-22-2019 04:33 PM
Asmodian I see, even Timespy Extreme isn't too high power so that makes sense.

I think the odd voltage drops might simply be lower voltage+clock+temperature bins that at that particular temperature happen to stay the same clock.
03-22-2019 03:14 PM
Cyber Locc
Quote: Originally Posted by Asmodian View Post
What is the stock power limit on your card?! I don't see how you could maintain 2160+ MHz with the stock power limit and a reasonably heavy load, unless it is a very high power card like the Galax. For example, I hit around 400W at just 2100 MHz in 8K Superposition.

That is a nice card though, don't break it.
I believe the stock limit is 338.

I need more power lol! It jumps around, in 3dmark, averages 2160, but drops sometimes as low as 2125, and goes up to 2190. I cant get it to stay at 2190, heaven will stay at it, at 2190 consistently, (as long as I keep temps under 40c), but Timespy Extreme looks like the stock market lol.

Its weird too, because I noticed after trying to lock the voltage today, it wont work. In 3dmark when it drops, it lowers the voltage first, then the clocks. I lock clock and voltage and in heaven it stays for the most part, however in 3dmark it refuses to stay put. I think my CPU might be Bottleneck it or something idk.

So this is from Heaven, and Timespy is just all over the place, dont have one of those, I will on next run want to test some other stuff . (highest was 2190 not 2205, and it stayed at 2190 most of the time) Heaven was maxed, and at 4k to get to peg GPU like that.
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