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02-19-2019 05:33 AM
ORL
Quote: Originally Posted by PrivotSponge View Post
Hi there,

In what applications/games do i have an advantage with very high ram clocks?

I testet 3333mhz 16-16-16/ 3600 mhz 16-16-16 and 3733 mhz 16-17-16 (not yet stable).

I always get arround 1900 Points in cb.
Timespy Bench remains also at ca. 8300 points.

Only thing which is better, is the aida memory test:

Raised from 52000 kbs read to 58000 kbs
Also latency is a bit better: 61,4 ns to 60 ns.

So where is my benefit?

Greetz Sponge

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One perfect example where you will see larger increases is games like ESO in cities with high player counts. These entities are tied to the CPU/Mem relationship more so than the GPU. ESO is one of the more extreme gaming examples where you can see gains of 30% FPS in this scenario. After tweaking the client a bit and moving from 2133 to 3200Mhz on my memory, the lowly 28-32 fps suddenly turned into 50-60FPS. Of which I can confirm 10-15 or so happened immediately after changing the memory settings. The rest came from optimizing the ini file to fully utilize the CPU/GPU. As I cannot control the operations of each player, there is also some margin of error in these estimates. But this is the biggest witnessed gain for me so far in any game that is repeatable to a degree.

There are other situations where you will not gain any FPS as well. When your CPU/Mem are pushing a GPU to 100% saturation and the game doesn't rely heavily on the CPU itself, you will see very little gain to even none.
02-19-2019 02:27 AM
PrivotSponge Hi there,

In what applications/games do i have an advantage with very high ram clocks?

I testet 3333mhz 16-16-16/ 3600 mhz 16-16-16 and 3733 mhz 16-17-16 (not yet stable).

I always get arround 1900 Points in cb.
Timespy Bench remains also at ca. 8300 points.

Only thing which is better, is the aida memory test:

Raised from 52000 kbs read to 58000 kbs
Also latency is a bit better: 61,4 ns to 60 ns.

So where is my benefit?

Greetz Sponge

Gesendet von meinem Moto Z (2) mit Tapatalk
02-07-2019 12:58 AM
Mike-EEE
Quote: Originally Posted by Saiger0 View Post
your 4.3 ghz with 1,38V is NOT stable if its still crashing after just 2 cinebench runs. Try running prime95 (large fft´s) for 1 hour instead.
Agreed! I finally found the source of all my ails: putting the clock speed on anything past 4.275. Doing this speed + 2933mhz DRAM overclock allowed me to finally run Cinebench however many times I needed to do so. This allowed me to finally try different settings and pull samplings from Cinebench (running 5 times).

So using this, I was able to settle on vCore 1.37. I do have this on LLC1 which yields 1.38 under load.

Cinebench scores are 1948-1952 which is what I was angling around.

Also good news is that I was able to drop down to 1.35 vCore no problem @ 4.275 clock speed, but this yielded 1930 scores.

So now I will ruminate/research a little more to find out if the extra voltage is worth it. It's more of a psychological thing at this point.

Oh, I should also mention that I was able to bump up my DRAM to 3000, and with the Ryzen Calculator get the timings down to: 14-16-14-17-28. SoC is at .9875.

Running MemTest now to make sure the memory is OK with this. Then I will look into Prime95.

EDIT: Attaching my Ryzen Calculator Memory profile for more context.
02-06-2019 11:20 PM
Saiger0
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike-EEE View Post
Awesome...well, not for you but for ME and my sanity. What you describe is what I have encountered. Having it freeze is the most maddening thing, too. You have no idea what caused that freeze: was it memory? CPU voltage? SoC? Something else? MAYBE A BUG?! LOL... wouldn't THAT suck.

I am indeed having all the trouble in the world with getting anything other than XMP Profile 1 (2933) to work. I tried your tRTP @Saiger0 , and while it might have fixed one problem, there is another and more that are keeping me from error-free test runs.

So I am sticking with 4.3 @ 2933 with 1.38 (I'll see if I can get that down, too). That gets me a 1948 which is plenty, considering the grief I have been through and will have to continue to "improve." FWIW anything over 1935 is "good enough" in my book.

EDIT: Ah I forgot this link: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_7/2700x It would seem that Double Rank 4 of 4 is only 1866??? I am lucky to get 2933? Another reason to sit tight, especially with the score. Kinda sucks that I spent so much money on 3300 that I won't use, though. Doh.
your 4.3 ghz with 1,38V is NOT stable if its still crashing after just 2 cinebench runs. Try running prime95 (large fft´s) for 1 hour instead.
02-06-2019 01:30 PM
Mike-EEE
Quote: Originally Posted by CelticGamer View Post
I really do think Ryzen overclocking is sensitive to temps. I spent a lot of time trying to get my 2700X stable at 4.2ghz on my MSI X470 Pro Carbon. I noticed that at 1.425V, it would pass Cinebench runs all day long, but only if I let the CPU cool in between runs. I believe it was around 68 to 70 degrees is where it would crash.

Finally, out of frustration, I just gave up trying to get it stable, as it required more voltage than I was comfortable with. I simply undervolted it, enabled PBO and just let it do it's thing.

I'm on a Corsair H60 with push pull fans at max speed, which does just fine for gaming loads, but not ideal for overclocking. Maybe one day if I get a better cooler I will try again to see if I can get a stable 4.2ghz.
Awesome...well, not for you but for ME and my sanity. What you describe is what I have encountered. Having it freeze is the most maddening thing, too. You have no idea what caused that freeze: was it memory? CPU voltage? SoC? Something else? MAYBE A BUG?! LOL... wouldn't THAT suck.

I am indeed having all the trouble in the world with getting anything other than XMP Profile 1 (2933) to work. I tried your tRTP @Saiger0 , and while it might have fixed one problem, there is another and more that are keeping me from error-free test runs.

So I am sticking with 4.3 @ 2933 with 1.38 (I'll see if I can get that down, too). That gets me a 1948 which is plenty, considering the grief I have been through and will have to continue to "improve." FWIW anything over 1935 is "good enough" in my book.

EDIT: Ah I forgot this link: https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/amd/ryzen_7/2700x It would seem that Double Rank 4 of 4 is only 1866??? I am lucky to get 2933? Another reason to sit tight, especially with the score. Kinda sucks that I spent so much money on 3300 that I won't use, though. Doh.
02-06-2019 12:44 PM
CelticGamer I really do think Ryzen overclocking is sensitive to temps. I spent a lot of time trying to get my 2700X stable at 4.2ghz on my MSI X470 Pro Carbon. I noticed that at 1.425V, it would pass Cinebench runs all day long, but only if I let the CPU cool in between runs. I believe it was around 68 to 70 degrees is where it would crash.

Finally, out of frustration, I just gave up trying to get it stable, as it required more voltage than I was comfortable with. I simply undervolted it, enabled PBO and just let it do it's thing.

I'm on a Corsair H60 with push pull fans at max speed, which does just fine for gaming loads, but not ideal for overclocking. Maybe one day if I get a better cooler I will try again to see if I can get a stable 4.2ghz.
02-06-2019 11:43 AM
Mike-EEE
Quote: Originally Posted by Saiger0 View Post
I think I confused micron with hynix naming my bad. Nontheless increasing tRTP might help you out too.

1.4 Vcore is definelty too high for 24/7 stay at 1.38 if you want to avoid degrading anytime soon. And make sure you really are stable with prime95
I was able to reduce it to 1.38 and score a 1946 on Cinebench. Fails on the 2nd attempt, however. I'm OK with that, but as you allude to, the memory testing will be the fun part. Thanks again for pointing that out! I will update here when I have something more to add... hopefully more good than bad.
02-06-2019 11:11 AM
Saiger0
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike-EEE View Post
Awesome... thank you for the resources. I went ahead and plugged in 4.3 and was able to get a 1950 out of Cinebench first try. However, it does lock up on subsequent attempts. My vCore is @ 1.4.

But blast I am still on 2 sticks and I know I am in a world of pain for the 4 sticks once I plug in the other two sitting on my desk.

As for the type of RAM, here is what I have:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GNFCX45/

From what I understand using typhoon they are CJR. At least, there was a CJR in the name. I am not exactly sure what makes them A-die, if that is the case.

The reason I stuck with this kit is that it is on the Gaming Pro's QVL. I am hoping that is the case for the AC.
I think I confused micron with hynix naming my bad. Nontheless increasing tRTP might help you out too.

1.4 Vcore is definelty too high for 24/7 stay at 1.38 if you want to avoid degrading anytime soon. And make sure you really are stable with prime95
02-06-2019 11:02 AM
Mike-EEE
Quote: Originally Posted by Saiger0 View Post
As long as your voltages are in safe levels you are completly fine ( and as long your not hitting 95+ all the time). You can check out this imformal thread about voltages https://www.reddit.com/r/overclockin...ltages_tested/

I also did alot of testing with pbo in previous weeks after msi unlocked off set voltages. FOr me there was very little difference between those two in terms of performace and power consumption. I settled with static oc again since I have more control about my voltages that way.

Regarding motherborads the msi x470 gaming m7 is the best in terms of memory overclocking. Maybe that would change your ram situation. But im not sure and would rather ask some people who know way more about memory than I do.

Edit: also check out this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/overclockin...hynix_adie_on/ you also have hynix a die kits right?
Awesome... thank you for the resources. I went ahead and plugged in 4.3 and was able to get a 1950 out of Cinebench first try. However, it does lock up on subsequent attempts. My vCore is @ 1.4.

But blast I am still on 2 sticks and I know I am in a world of pain for the 4 sticks once I plug in the other two sitting on my desk.

As for the type of RAM, here is what I have:
https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GNFCX45/

From what I understand using typhoon they are CJR. At least, there was a CJR in the name. I am not exactly sure what makes them A-die, if that is the case.

The reason I stuck with this kit is that it is on the Gaming Pro's QVL. I am hoping that is the case for the AC.
02-06-2019 10:25 AM
Saiger0
Quote: Originally Posted by Mike-EEE View Post
Oh man... that's a good idea actually. I was actually doing that before I got into PBO, which is why I am in the mess I am in now, LOL. I was around 4.3, but the chip was hitting 90 degrees. That's actually how I found out about that Cinebench bug... I was trying to find the "top" heat point, but the temperature kept climbing and climbing until it hit in the 90s and then it would shut off.

I'm a little embarrassed to admit that! I hope that didn't hurt the chip, that's my greatest fear around this.

EDIT: Oh, and yeah, as much as I enjoy this motherboard, I might actually be open to getting a good one. Looks like you've suggested a couple already. I will look into those (and any others that you might recommend).
As long as your voltages are in safe levels you are completly fine ( and as long your not hitting 95+ all the time). You can check out this imformal thread about voltages https://www.reddit.com/r/overclockin...ltages_tested/

I also did alot of testing with pbo in previous weeks after msi unlocked off set voltages. FOr me there was very little difference between those two in terms of performace and power consumption. I settled with static oc again since I have more control about my voltages that way.

Regarding motherborads the msi x470 gaming m7 is the best in terms of memory overclocking. Maybe that would change your ram situation. But im not sure and would rather ask some people who know way more about memory than I do.

Edit: also check out this post: https://www.reddit.com/r/overclockin...hynix_adie_on/ you also have hynix a die kits right?
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