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03-20-2019 09:16 AM
xJumper
Quote: Originally Posted by fastturtle View Post
The last thing is the Many Lawsuits and possible Antitrust Fines along with FDA and HIPPA fines that MS is going to get hit with due to forcing Win10 upgrades onto some doctors offices. Keep in mind that some of that medical software being used is FDA approved for very specific configurations of Windows and it was not approved for Win10. MS by forcing an upgrade without consent is possibly liable for billions of dollars in FDA fines alone. Take in the Billions for HIPPA violations that occurred due to the Forced Upgrade and Data Mining in Win10 and the Stock Holders are liable to fire the board, which the CEO doesn't care about. Their job is to minimize the impact of many of Balmers decisions in the last 5 years running MS - Yes it's the damn bean counters fault.
A lot of the little IT companies that setup computers for all these little businesses are taking a hack of an approach to get Windows 10 to be PIL/HIPPA compliant, they install a default deny out firewall policy on the router and their own pre-made whitelist.
03-20-2019 08:33 AM
cdoublejj Vulkan for the win
03-19-2019 07:26 PM
ThrashZone
Quote: Originally Posted by Max78 View Post
I care, I have Win 10 at work and Win7 on my home Ryzen system. Dislike Win10 and will stick to 7 because Win 10 has literally no benefits for me so why give them all my personal info and get nothing in return?

Hi,
I have 3 windows 7 machines that will stay as win-7 since I dual boot two of those systems also have win-10 pro's on then already

As you can see there is no reason to upgrade to 10 the machines already have 10 on them albeit I don't use 10 very much the installs are sacrificial with nothing important on them I just restore system images and torture them repeatedly 1709/ 1803 no 1809 yet it's just now I believe getting worth messing with so I may install it sooner or later.

Last system is a cheap laptop I only use for banking it's fine with 7 on it till it dies.


Otherwise I'm on win-7 99% of the time.
03-19-2019 06:22 PM
betam4x
Quote: Originally Posted by fastturtle View Post
How about the fact that I control the Updates being installed? Or the fact that Virtual PC 2007 does not run under Win8 and later due to changes? Once again, how about the eeping fact that Win8 is a Touch screen OS instead of a Desktop OS - You thought the Fisher Price looks of XP was bad? Win8 and later is even worse.

For those having problem with Win7 installing on new hardware, most of the time it's due to USB 3 since the installer doesn't recognize it. Simply fix is to disable USB 3 mode in the firmware where possible. The real issue is whether the UEFI firmware has the CSM mode available. Means Win7 can install in compatibility mode (bios) instead of pure UEFI as it doesn't fully support it. Recently reinstalled Win7 on my system and discovered that when I disabled the CSM completely so yes, there can be some problems.

The last thing is the Many Lawsuits and possible Antitrust Fines along with FDA and HIPPA fines that MS is going to get hit with due to forcing Win10 upgrades onto some doctors offices. Keep in mind that some of that medical software being used is FDA approved for very specific configurations of Windows and it was not approved for Win10. MS by forcing an upgrade without consent is possibly liable for billions of dollars in FDA fines alone. Take in the Billions for HIPPA violations that occured due to the Forced Upgrade and Data Mininng in Win10 and the Stock Holders are liable to fire the board, which the CEO doesn't care about. Their job is to minimize the impact of many of Balmers decisions in the last 5 years running MS - Yes it's the damn bean counters fault.
You obviously don't know the law very well. Unless Microsoft is partnered specifically with the doctor's office/hospital/whatever in question, they have no liability. The vendor that does all the installs assumes all the liability and takes all the risk.
03-19-2019 06:10 PM
betam4x I switched...to Ubuntu. Linux itself is a hot mess as always, but gaming is getting there. Now you can install/attempt to play any Windows title that works with Proton, Valve's compatibility tool. It works great for the games I play (same or faster performance than Windows for some titles, slower in others), however there are still quite a few it chokes on. I don't see Linux getting any significant marketshare increase out of Windows 7 EOL though. Not until you can use the system without ever touching the terminal.
03-19-2019 05:31 PM
fastturtle How about the fact that I control the Updates being installed? Or the fact that Virtual PC 2007 does not run under Win8 and later due to changes? Once again, how about the eeping fact that Win8 is a Touch screen OS instead of a Desktop OS - You thought the Fisher Price looks of XP was bad? Win8 and later is even worse.

For those having problem with Win7 installing on new hardware, most of the time it's due to USB 3 since the installer doesn't recognize it. Simply fix is to disable USB 3 mode in the firmware where possible. The real issue is whether the UEFI firmware has the CSM mode available. Means Win7 can install in compatibility mode (bios) instead of pure UEFI as it doesn't fully support it. Recently reinstalled Win7 on my system and discovered that when I disabled the CSM completely so yes, there can be some problems.

The last thing is the Many Lawsuits and possible Antitrust Fines along with FDA and HIPPA fines that MS is going to get hit with due to forcing Win10 upgrades onto some doctors offices. Keep in mind that some of that medical software being used is FDA approved for very specific configurations of Windows and it was not approved for Win10. MS by forcing an upgrade without consent is possibly liable for billions of dollars in FDA fines alone. Take in the Billions for HIPPA violations that occured due to the Forced Upgrade and Data Mininng in Win10 and the Stock Holders are liable to fire the board, which the CEO doesn't care about. Their job is to minimize the impact of many of Balmers decisions in the last 5 years running MS - Yes it's the damn bean counters fault.
03-19-2019 10:18 AM
xxicrimsonixx So they're running DX12 in a container within the game?
03-18-2019 07:34 PM
Maverick_X
Windows 10 is still the right choice

Microsoft is porting parts of DX12 to Windows 7 but not the entire code base. There will be some limitations on Windows 7 plus Microsoft is still moving to EOL Windows 7 shortly.

I believe this update is all about Microsoft's renewed gaming focus on the PC again. From looking at all the new code in the Windows 10 19H1 update, there seems to be hints of Xbox integration but at a much higher lever than before (think Xbox games on PC). If that all proofs correct, Microsoft may have bigger ambitions with their next Xbox platform, including possibly playing xbox games on a Windows 10 PC. We will have to wait and see.
03-18-2019 02:10 PM
Blameless
Quote: Originally Posted by J7SC View Post
Whaaaaat ?! I finally relented a few months back & upgraded one of my machines from Win7 Pro to Win10, solely to get DX12 for 2080 TIs ...all that frustration for ?
Windows 7's DX12 support isn't global, but on a per-game basis.

Not every DX12 title is going to get DX12 support in Windows 7.

Quote: Originally Posted by JackCY View Post
What on earth people love about Win7 I don't understand since even 8.1 was better than 7. And 7 was slower than XP.
It's more about GUI changes and not actual performance why people stick with something they are visually familiar with.
Barring some Spectre mitigations and scheduler changes on some architectures, the actual performance difference is quite negligible between any of these OSes.

Familiarity and level of control are the main reasons for sticking with an older OS.

The only system I have Windows 10 on has Windows 10 solely because I need it for my WMR headset. Otherwise it's not any faster and considerably less convenient than older OSes.

I dread having to install 10 because it takes twice as long to properly configure as 7 and 7 itself takes about ten times as long to setup as a modern Linux distro.

Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
Regarding XP vs 7, it's very difficult to compare both because the former only has a 32-bit version for consumers, the scheduler wasn't optimized for more than two cores, with Vista and later thus performing better on quad cores and beyond, and XP also lacks support for TRIM and AVX.
I've been using XP x64 and Server 2003 R2 x64 since they were released.

XP x64 isn't measurably slower than Windows 7 or 10 on my pre-AVX hex-core/twelve-thread parts in most things...even gaming (API and drivers permitting).

Quote: Originally Posted by white owl View Post
many of the reasons for not wanting to use 10 are totally invalid since it can all be turned off in under 30 seconds.
There is quite a bit that is not easy to turn off or purge.

Anyway, I don't need a reason not to do something, doing nothing is the default. I need a reason to transition to Windows 10. For one of my systems, that reason was a cheap WMR headset.

Even if I liked Windows 10 more than 7 (and I most certainly do not), the hassle of migrating my remaining systems would be a strong disincentive to do so.

Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
I'm sure MS has it's reasons and it's all money based you can be sure of
Market share trumps all. MS would rather people steal Windows 10 or remain on an unsupported earlier version of Windows than sacrifice market share. Forcing people off older OSes will be the fastest way MS could possibly lose market share.

Out of all of my computers that ever had 7 installed, one got 'upgraded' to 10. Three went to Linux.

Quote: Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post
I dunno, Win10 has gained a LOT of momentum over the past couple years and it has surpassed Win7 to become the new leader in OS market share. Sure, its still close at the moment, but with Win7's extended support nearing an end I expect Win10 will be the dominant OS on PC very quickly.
Windows 7 and even XP recently gained market share at Windows 10's expense. Windows 10 is going to continue to grow I the long term of course, but mostly from new PC sales.

Those that haven't upgraded from 7 yet aren't likely going to pay to do it now, until they buy a new system.

Quote: Originally Posted by Majin SSJ Eric View Post
Even the most hardcore of Win10 haters will soon have to choose between leaving MS (and all of its vast compatibility advantages) altogether or sucking it up and installing Win10.
End of official support doesn't mean anything other than I have to be more careful with security.

Quote: Originally Posted by tpi2007 View Post
The real problem is one of education. Learning to have a minimum level of computer related understanding is the XXI century equivalent of learning to read.
If text to speech was a thing at the time the printing press was invented, learning to read would still a skill largely reserved for academics.

PCs weren't dominant for long enough before walled-garden mobiles showed up for computer literacy to have reached the mainstream.

Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
It's funny, people say Linux is too hard, but look at the hoops people jump through just to get Windows to function the way they want and to stop Windows from doing things it shouldn't be doing in the first place.
I've got vastly more experience with Windows (been a Windows power user for almost thirty years) than Linux (have dabbled in it since the late 1990s), but at this point Linux is far and away the easier and more convenient option for most tasks that aren't dependent on gaming or niche MS Office uses.
03-18-2019 11:04 AM
Max78
Quote: Originally Posted by ThrashZone View Post
Hi,
Doubt anyone really cares
Anyone still on win-7 is likely going to linux and what ever gaming goes on it which will be vulkan which by the way works very well on win-7



I care, I have Win 10 at work and Win7 on my home Ryzen system. Dislike Win10 and will stick to 7 because Win 10 has literally no benefits for me so why give them all my personal info and get nothing in return?
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