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03-15-2019 06:13 AM
NightAntilli A good indication is fighting games. In the past, fighting games were never really released on PC. Now it's hard to find one that isn't on PC.
03-14-2019 01:31 PM
Ceadderman
Quote: Originally Posted by doritos93 View Post
Dude was trying to sell consoles.

If you're selling bananas, are you going to focus on how apples and oranges are still very viable fruits ?


My only purpose of my last post was to point to the general when of the statement. I purposely left out my thoughts because I like people to form their own opinion. I know it was marketing hype. Bill Gates said it however so a lot of people took his statements to heart.

Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
PC gaming... dead?...

However,console game play & PC game play are nearly indistinguishable at this point as it is, unless you have an incredibly well trained eye to notice the subtle nuances of higher resolutions, etc.

some sorta merger is going to come in the near future.

Pretty sure I could tell the difference between Console v. PC graphics. Only way I couldn't tell is if the PC were being limited in some way. Either CPU clock speed, or lowering the settings in the GPU performance.

I truly would love to see someone do a comparative between console and PC. I have seen platform v. platform in budget PC gaming but a blind test comparative with PC set to low.

But I could still tell the difference. lol

~Ceadder
03-14-2019 09:34 AM
skupples PC gaming... dead? That's just stupid marketing hype nonsense. I don't think they ever really believed that would happen way back then, but it definitely makes more sense now that consoles & PCs are all running on the same kinda stuff. Statements of "killers" should be ignored. It's incredibly rare anything ever just up & dies these days (even MMOS!) please don't mistake my comment for an all or nothing. I didn't mean you wouldn't see anyone gaming on PC anymore. However, console game play & PC game play are nearly indistinguishable at this point as it is, unless you have an incredibly well trained eye to notice the subtle nuances of higher resolutions, etc.


no, i'd focus on something like the grapple of banana...

some sorta merger is going to come in the near future. Maybe it'll be consoles & game streaming. That seems more likely now that I think about it. Those streaming services are slowly but surely becoming viable options for non-competitive game play. I could definitely see having local & streamed in content available in the same box. Nvidia is actually already doing this on the Shield Device. You can run android games from the box, or stream in games from NV, or stream in games from your home system. (along with all the other smart TV options built in + 500gb ssd)
03-14-2019 09:16 AM
doritos93
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
I don't really remember those statements, but that's just silly - those consoles always had weird one off API & hardware. That's not the case anymore. NV is also heavily diversifying to move further reduce its dependence on ripping of gamers w/ over priced cards. This gives AMD more room to move up.

for all intent & purposes, these current consoles are the V1 merging point.

Xbox is gonna start releasing w/ a Windows Lite experience, which you can sub towards for 365 access on your console. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/tongue.gif[/IMG]
iirc... I am working straight from memory here and I just turned the big nickel last month... But iirc Bill Gates(back when he was running M$) actually stated it when they announced XBox v1. In that same Presser, he stated "PC Gaming is dead".

This was prior to the start of the 21st century y2k era. [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/thinking.gif[/IMG]

~Ceadder [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/smil3dbd4e4c2e742.gif[/IMG]
Dude was trying to sell consoles.

If you're selling bananas, are you going to focus on how apples and oranges are still very viable fruits ?
03-13-2019 12:33 PM
Ceadderman
Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
I don't really remember those statements, but that's just silly - those consoles always had weird one off API & hardware. That's not the case anymore. NV is also heavily diversifying to move further reduce its dependence on ripping of gamers w/ over priced cards. This gives AMD more room to move up.

for all intent & purposes, these current consoles are the V1 merging point.

Xbox is gonna start releasing w/ a Windows Lite experience, which you can sub towards for 365 access on your console.
iirc... I am working straight from memory here and I just turned the big nickel last month... But iirc Bill Gates(back when he was running M$) actually stated it when they announced XBox v1. In that same Presser, he stated "PC Gaming is dead".

This was prior to the start of the 21st century y2k era.

~Ceadder
03-13-2019 07:03 AM
skupples
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Microsoft essentially promised this with the original xBox. While not exactly the same promised concept, Sony too with PS2. 3DO? oh and let me not forget Nintendo, Sega, Colecovision and Atari all promised similar things. I grew up in the Console explosion. I have seen this movie before.

I have a hard time buying into this concept v2.

~Ceadder
I don't really remember those statements, but that's just silly - those consoles always had weird one off API & hardware. That's not the case anymore. NV is also heavily diversifying to move further reduce its dependence on ripping of gamers w/ over priced cards. This gives AMD more room to move up.

for all intent & purposes, these current consoles are the V1 merging point.

Xbox is gonna start releasing w/ a Windows Lite experience, which you can sub towards for 365 access on your console.
03-13-2019 06:53 AM
XenoRad The main difference between the 'old days' and today is the previously we had games that pushed both gameplay as well as technology, whereas today more often than not it's either one or the other.

The AAAs are mostly iterative these days with little innovation, whereas games with more novel ideas are either indie or by devs who simply cannot afford to have the best graphics and such.

The modern business model also doesn't help and here I'll give the example of Metro : Exodus. With both high production values and with some good gameplay (maybe not very innovative though) it was marred by the decision to make it an Epic Store exclusive for one year.

I will however raise an exception here in that for some games (like Euro Truck Simulator 2 for instance) the modern business model of DLCs mean that you have a game that continues to improve and be developed on for years after release. This is a good thing because it extends its life. But again, we're not talking about horse armor DLC or pay-to-avoid-grinding microtransactions.

There is however one game category which was very well represented in the late '90s and early '00s which now is almost gone - the traditional RTS. You had C&C, WarCraft, StarCraft, Age of Empires plus a plethora of others whereas today you pretty much only have StarCraft 2 played on a wide scale and that's a game which was first released in 2010.

This discussion also brings up the idea of remakes/HD makeovers. On the one hand it does allow us to preserve the older games, which unlike other goods that one may collect and enjoy for many years they do age in technology and become harder and harder to run, on the other there's always the debate on just updating the graphics while leaving everything else intact or also making some tweaks here and there.

In any case it's important to note that a remastered game is not going to have the same impact as it did when it first came out. This is not necessarily due to the fact that its gameplay or style didn't age well, but more to the fact that when it came out it offered something new and unseen which is no longer the case today.

As such whereas before I was more on the line of just updating the graphics now I'm also more and more in favor of making other tweaks, or why not - adding content.

Age of Empires 2 HD got a new Expansion Pack so it is possible to add new content to old games and improve the overall experience.
03-12-2019 01:38 PM
Ceadderman
Quote: Originally Posted by nonametoclaim View Post
this is true, though we arnt supposed to go into detail on them. but speaking of Mega Man(which im a huge fan) you should check out 20XX which is an obvious copycat but still quite enjoyable in a rogue aspect. think i got it for $2. been waiting to buy the mega man X bundles on steam since the community seams to dislike the emulation performance.
Just pointing out that no console system an emulate PC apps but PC can em console and therefore PC remains more relevant than console and as been brought up, console is therefore becoming dead tech unless the manufacturers become PC manufacturers.

My MM bundle is a Steam bundle. I try to keep everything Steam, though I have a few games I picked up through Green Man Gaming that were strictly UbiSoft or R*SC. I am just more careful now to make certain before purchase with GMG.

~Ceadder
03-12-2019 01:08 PM
Melan
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Don't forget that PC gamers can open and run most console system ops and play even single console games through their PC.
Yeah. I've been enjoying the RPCS3 for a week now. Sadly some games aren't compatible but some (2 out of 3) which I wanted to play work just fine. A proper port would be better because clunky 30 fps is still clunky 30 fps but can't really expect anyone to do anything about it.
03-12-2019 01:03 PM
nonametoclaim
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post
Don't forget that PC gamers can open and run most console system ops and play even single console games through their PC. Meaning that Sony limited games are able to be played. Same for Nintendo or xBox if you cannot otherwise get the games through Steam or some other game provider. I don't do it myself, cause other than RDR2, I pretty much have access to all the top hits if I want them using Steam, UbiSoft and R*SC. Picked up the entire MegaMan series through HumbleBundle.

~Ceadder
this is true, though we arnt supposed to go into detail on them. but speaking of Mega Man(which im a huge fan) you should check out 20XX which is an obvious copycat but still quite enjoyable in a rogue aspect. think i got it for $2. been waiting to buy the mega man X bundles on steam since the community seams to dislike the emulation performance.
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