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05-21-2019 08:14 AM
WannaBeOCer
Quote: Originally Posted by Wishmaker View Post
Potato, potahhhhto!

Intel made the x86 lnstructions set for their 8086 if i recall correctly. I do believe they licensed it to companies like VIA, IBM, Cyrix (i had one of these).

AMD still holds a license to x86 because AMD owns their own x86-x64 set which in turn they license to INTEL.


Bottom line , if one were to die like some , intelligently want in this thread, the other would have to fork out a lot of cash in order to continue doing what they are doing today.


INTEL depends on AMD and vice versa.
Intel could easily drop AMD64 instructions the issue is getting Microsoft to adopt it. Again the reason we are where we are today was because Microsoft's influence on which instructions to use. Even though Linux had the first kernel that supported x86-64 developers still took 2-3 years to adopt it. IA-64 didn't take off since it dropped backwards compatibility with x86. While AMD-64 kept backwards compatibility with x86 which prevented a costly transition for M$.
05-21-2019 06:17 AM
Wishmaker Potato, potahhhhto!

Intel made the x86 lnstructions set for their 8086 if i recall correctly. I do believe they licensed it to companies like VIA, IBM, Cyrix (i had one of these).

AMD still holds a license to x86 because AMD owns their own x86-x64 set which in turn they license to INTEL.


Bottom line , if one were to die like some , intelligently want in this thread, the other would have to fork out a lot of cash in order to continue doing what they are doing today.


INTEL depends on AMD and vice versa.
05-20-2019 05:51 PM
ryan92084
Quote: Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post
i must have been one of the very few people who never had any issues with ME. Vista on the other hand was a crash happy nightmare to deal with, if it wasn't for crysis and halo 2 i would have stuck with XP.
Vista was another one with a rough start with drivers but by the end it was basically win7 with the gadget bar. My ME laptop was a nightmare for my entire length of ownership but luckily the power port broke under warranty and the replacement had winxp.
05-20-2019 06:15 AM
philhalo66
Quote: Originally Posted by ryan92084 View Post
Besides getting certain drivers (especially early on) it was "fine". Pretty sure I still have that disc floating around in a drawer. Although just about any OS looks good compared to ME which I also had for a time.
i must have been one of the very few people who never had any issues with ME. Vista on the other hand was a crash happy nightmare to deal with, if it wasn't for crysis and halo 2 i would have stuck with XP.
05-20-2019 06:00 AM
ryan92084
Quote: Originally Posted by TwilightRavens View Post
Yeah lets not forget how bad M$ first 64-bit OS was either *cough cough* XP 64-bit. Okay, maybe it wasn’t as bad as people would make it out to be, but it lacked any real sorta usefulness because 90% of the preloaded stuff was still in 32-bit. 64 bit computing didn’t really gain traction until Vista and 7 at least in the windows marketshare, and Vista was also a complete backfire too until SP2, mainly because none of the hardware could really run it reliably that was affordable (P4/PD) on Intel and the Pentium killer Athlon’s from AMD and wasn’t until Phenom II and C2D/C2Q that it could, but by then people had already either moved to 7 or just stayed on XP 32-bit, which the latter is why we saw stagnation for so long. And the former is why we don’t see more games making full use of DX12, because a majority of the market is staying on an OS locked to DX11, not that I blame them because a lot of the things in Windows 10 leave a lot to be desired.
Besides getting certain drivers (especially early on) it was "fine". Pretty sure I still have that disc floating around in a drawer. Although just about any OS looks good compared to ME which I also had for a time.
05-19-2019 11:29 PM
Elrick
Quote: Originally Posted by philhalo66 View Post
honestly i keep secretly hoping for a windows XP 2.0
If that had ever occurred in REAL Life, watch Millions switch on over from Trojan 10 to try a superior OS that doesn't track or follow you EVER.

Would be a totally new concept for the 21st Century here. Building an OS that will NEVER key-log, track or spy upon you when you use their Operating System.

I know the Linux realm would stand up here promoting their OS system but they are moving into the Windows area of spying and tracking users already. Hence even the Nix OS system is slowly following Redmond into that horrid area of self annihilation.
05-19-2019 01:35 PM
philhalo66 speaking of windows xp, To date it is still my all time favorite OS ever. It looked cool, ran smooth as butter even on my old pentium 3 733MHz and let's not forget it introduced DX9. even the 64-bit version was fast, driver issues aside.

honestly i keep secretly hoping for a windows XP 2.0
05-19-2019 10:31 AM
SoloCamo
Quote: Originally Posted by Elrick View Post
Still have a functional XP 64bit installed on a LanParty kit, simply Perfection.

Runs far quicker than the rubbish coming out of Redmond TODAY, hence please stop the misinformation and ignorance relating to the only decent 64bit install, ever created by this ignorant company.

That was when 'data mining' and 'key-logging' was internationally illegal under every Country's jurisdiction.
Yes, Win 10 64 bit is now slower than Win XP 64 bit. What a world we live in.
05-18-2019 07:49 PM
Elrick
Quote: Originally Posted by TwilightRavens View Post
Yeah lets not forget how bad M$ first 64-bit OS was either *cough cough* XP 64-bit.

Still have a functional XP 64bit installed on a LanParty kit, simply Perfection.

Runs far quicker than the rubbish coming out of Redmond TODAY, hence please stop the misinformation and ignorance relating to the only decent 64bit install, ever created by this ignorant company.

That was when 'data mining' and 'key-logging' was internationally illegal under every Country's jurisdiction.
05-18-2019 10:12 AM
TwilightRavens
Quote: Originally Posted by Imouto View Post
If AMD's implementation got any foothold was because Linux was really fast to embrace it.
Yeah lets not forget how bad M$ first 64-bit OS was either *cough cough* XP 64-bit. Okay, maybe it wasn’t as bad as people would make it out to be, but it lacked any real sorta usefulness because 90% of the preloaded stuff was still in 32-bit. 64 bit computing didn’t really gain traction until Vista and 7 at least in the windows marketshare, and Vista was also a complete backfire too until SP2, mainly because none of the hardware could really run it reliably that was affordable (P4/PD) on Intel and the Pentium killer Athlon’s from AMD and wasn’t until Phenom II and C2D/C2Q that it could, but by then people had already either moved to 7 or just stayed on XP 32-bit, which the latter is why we saw stagnation for so long. And the former is why we don’t see more games making full use of DX12, because a majority of the market is staying on an OS locked to DX11, not that I blame them because a lot of the things in Windows 10 leave a lot to be desired.
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