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05-15-2019 06:49 AM
Raghar
Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
That's a good way to NOT make money.
You sure about that?

Low class, instead of paying once per 7 years, it would wait until MB breaks, or 11 years.

High class, MB manufacturers can't survive on whims of rich people. Especially when designing MB for "rich" would increase prices because of useless components, and drops sales elsewhere.

Middle class, I seen middle class only during socialism these low wages people who couldn't afford a car. Of course car 70000 money vs current MB for 5000-11000 after inflation money, PC is much cheaper. (During socialism there were import fees about similarly bad as current prices in latin america countries.)
Middle class typically pays once per 4 years.

Business. They want something reliable cheap... and with replacement available after many years. Volume means they can get better prices, quality requirement means MB manufactures can't save 10 cents to sell them firecracker, and requirement for availability after n years means manufacturer or distributor should either have something in storage for that many years, or be able to make new one and deliver within 2 months.
I'm not sure current MB manufacturers can live from business alone.

With current improvement slow down, PC market can be easily described as replacement in installed user base. Basically sales are driven by PCs that need CPU/MB repairs/replacement once per 3 - 5 years. Either MB manufacturers can live from these sale volumes, or theirs lives would suck.



Now lets look at how to not do business:
Lets take Asus recent insanity with "it's 8 phase" (They mean fat 4-phase.) We can easily see theirs offering uses 4+2 channel controller, no doublers, and it's more expensive than REAL 8 phase of theirs competitors. Review stress tests shown it uses more watts for the same work than theirs competitors. Another name for Asus decision is "throwing reliability and brand name out of window for the sake of profit". When Asus competitors would spend more effort to ensure zero noise chokes, reliability, compatibility, and continue use cost efficient heatsink solutions like finned design, Asus would lose large part of its market.

Considering all main MB manufacturers are using useless features like RGB, or port covers, or badly performing heatsinks. Asus faux pas would likely cost them very little. But the old user base which wanted to shower manufacturer money for every new thing switched from PC to tablets, then they switched to smart phones. PC became even more niche. PC might be necessity, but there is no reason to spend too much money on it anymore.


There is other part of the equation... Intel. What's important for Intel, sell CPU, or sell CPU and MB combinations? Surely it's not allowing MB manufacturers to sell new MB line at cost of Intel's profits. People typically hates to be used as milk cows, especially these with engineering education/self-education. For MB manufacturer user moving from Intel to Zen 2 because of Intel bad practices doesn't mean much, MB sale is still MB sale. For Intel, it equals to killing their own business.
05-13-2019 12:47 AM
ToTheSun!
Quote: Originally Posted by Raghar View Post
Selling properly designed durable reliable low price well cooled boards that lasts?
That's a good way to NOT make money.
05-12-2019 06:47 PM
Raghar
Quote: Originally Posted by ozlay View Post
And that is exactly why you need a new board. If intel didn't use a new socket every time. How would the motherboard manufacturers make any money?
Selling properly designed durable reliable low price well cooled boards that lasts?
05-12-2019 09:14 AM
WannaBeOCer
Quote: Originally Posted by Diffident View Post
Off the top of my head, Abit, DFI and Epox, but for most likely other reasons.
DFI's LanParty failed for a different reason. They still make industrial boards.
05-12-2019 09:05 AM
Diffident
Quote: Originally Posted by guttheslayer View Post
Hmm, was there a record high number of motherboard manufacturer that go busted back in the Pentium Socket LGA775?

If no, then I think you realised what you said was an excuse.

Off the top of my head, Abit, DFI and Epox, but for most likely other reasons.
05-12-2019 07:39 AM
guttheslayer
Quote: Originally Posted by ozlay View Post
And that is exactly why you need a new board. If intel didn't use a new socket every time. How would the motherboard manufacturers make any money? That is why some of the manufacturers are choosing not to put zen 2 support on older boards.

Hmm, was there a record high number of motherboard manufacturer that go busted back in the Pentium Socket LGA775?

If no, then I think you realised what you said was an excuse.
05-12-2019 07:30 AM
The Robot
Quote: Originally Posted by ozlay View Post
And that is exactly why you need a new board. If intel didn't use a new socket every time. How would the motherboard manufacturers make any money? That is why some of the manufacturers are choosing not to put zen 2 support on older boards.
"A socket change a year keeps the sheep in fear!"
05-12-2019 07:26 AM
ozlay
Quote: Originally Posted by guttheslayer View Post
so is a refresh of the refresh of the refresh of the...
I think you get the idea.

And that is exactly why you need a new board. If intel didn't use a new socket every time. How would the motherboard manufacturers make any money? That is why some of the manufacturers are choosing not to put zen 2 support on older boards.
05-12-2019 03:51 AM
guttheslayer
Quote: Originally Posted by The Robot View Post
They're still on "lake" because it's the exact same architecture. All their current CPUs are just tweaks of Skylake. It's funny that they're inadvertently being honest about it.
so is a refresh of the refresh of the refresh of the...


I think you get the idea.
05-12-2019 01:49 AM
m4fox90 Intel thinks they'll be pushing out 10nm++ in 2021, that's cute.
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