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06-06-2019 10:25 AM
deafboy *puts make-up on pig*

That's better /s
06-06-2019 09:46 AM
miklkit My great grandfather was a Union organizer well over a century ago fighting for things like... the weekend. He had these big white scars on his arms from Union buster knives. The last time I walked the line in the 1980s one of our picketers was run down by an 18 wheeler driven by a strike breaker. Don't think for a second that the aristocracy wants you to be safe or have a living wage.


We need things like the FDA, OSHA, EPA, CDC to protect us from the aristocracy.
06-05-2019 07:06 PM
skupples
Quote: Originally Posted by tubers View Post
Not sure what you mean by that exactly but it makes me think we still need forms of regulations.
Most of our nations have very active FDA like entities, don't worry

Most americans 30 & under had to read a book/story ( the name escapes me ) about the obscene factory conditions back @ the turn of the century. It was a short read, even as a kid, if I remember correctly. You should check it out.
06-05-2019 04:34 PM
looniam . nvrmnd
06-05-2019 03:58 PM
tubers
Quote: Originally Posted by miklkit View Post
You should read up on the history of the FDA. When I was young I talked to people who were old. They all ate pure white bread only. Why? Because they lived in the time before there was an FDA and white bread was pure, clean, and safe bread. Dark bread was literally dirty bread with insect parts and rat feces in it. Dark bread could literally kill you, but if you were too poor to buy white bread you had no choice.


The term "let the buyer beware" had a different meaning back then. Then remember that the current government is all in for less regulations.
Not sure what you mean by that exactly but it makes me think we still need forms of regulations.
06-05-2019 10:42 AM
miklkit You should read up on the history of the FDA. When I was young I talked to people who were old. They all ate pure white bread only. Why? Because they lived in the time before there was an FDA and white bread was pure, clean, and safe bread. Dark bread was literally dirty bread with insect parts and rat feces in it. Dark bread could literally kill you, but if you were too poor to buy white bread you had no choice.


The term "let the buyer beware" had a different meaning back then. Then remember that the current government is all in for less regulations.
06-04-2019 02:23 PM
tubers
Quote: Originally Posted by Blameless View Post
Your second door is a given no matter what; it's been inevitable since gaming went mainstream. Good big-budget games are already as rare as hens teeth for the same reason that most big-budget movies range from terrible to mediocre.

Very little that appeals to as broad an audience as is required to rake in the kinds of money we are talking about can be anything other than a formulaic collection of elements designed to cater to the lowest common denominator.
I feel like Door #2 is a given thanks to future lobbyist. I'm not good with politics info and history but I've recently watched a few things about FDA and Food Supplements where lobbying wins to benefit of the sellers more.
06-03-2019 09:11 AM
Blameless
Quote: Originally Posted by Blze001 View Post
My viewpoint on this is it's a lose-lose regardless.

Door #1 is an industry heavily regulated and sanitized for the children

Door #2 is an industry where minimum effort/maximum profit rules.

Neither choice really gives room for good games, imo.
Your second door is a given no matter what; it's been inevitable since gaming went mainstream. Good big-budget games are already as rare as hens teeth for the same reason that most big-budget movies range from terrible to mediocre.

Very little that appeals to as broad an audience as is required to rake in the kinds of money we are talking about can be anything other than a formulaic collection of elements designed to cater to the lowest common denominator.
06-03-2019 08:49 AM
Blze001 My viewpoint on this is it's a lose-lose regardless.

Door #1 is an industry heavily regulated and sanitized for the children

Door #2 is an industry where minimum effort/maximum profit rules.

Neither choice really gives room for good games, imo.
06-03-2019 08:43 AM
Blameless I think the microtransaction trend is one of the worst things to happen to video games, and loot-box type mechanisms the worst example of that trend.

I still wouldn't regulate it. My personal distaste for something is not remotely a justification to restrict others from engaging in it, or profiting from it.

Quote: Originally Posted by doritos93 View Post
We don't need laws for games, we need better parents

When will a senator propose a bill for that?
We don't need laws for any of these things.

Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
its deeper than that. They're using Casino cash grab tactics, while advertising to children. Tobacco & booze get in big trouble for doing the same. This should follow suit, just like sports gambling sites advertising towards kids.
I'd rather legalize gambling and deregulate marketing.

Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
I have this sinking suspicion that we'll all be playing 10-20 year old games, over and over, within 10 years from now... Minus a few VR outliers, just to avoid the one armed bandit centric titles.
I've been doing this for the last ten years, just to avoid bad games, bad distribution models, and overly restrictive DRM...wouldn't make any of that illegal though.

Quote: Originally Posted by UltraMega View Post
Gambling is already regulated. All they need to do is make sure gambling in video games is covered under the existing laws.
I agree that existing laws should cover scenarios like this.

However, I also think there is far too much regulation in these areas already.

Quote: Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
We do when games start to be designed around lootboxes.
Look what a disaster BF2 and Shadows of War became when the lootboxes were ripped out, they had to be resigned completely.
Shouldn't be illegal to make bad games.

Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
HOWEVER - once again - I want loot boxes gone entirely
So do I, but I'd like to preserve personal and economic liberties far more than I'd like to ensure a supply of AAA loot-box free games.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post
So, a design that is near universally despised by enthusiasts yet ridiculously exploitative of everyone else gets a ban proposal, and the enthusiasts respond by "WE DON'T NEED NO LAWS FOR IT!"

You sure about that?
Do you detect some sort of incongruency here?

There are a lot of things I do not like.

There are very, very, few things I think would ultimately benefit from more legislation, and all of them are actual problems...like antibiotic resistance, pollution, systemic inequality, corruption, state sanctioned monopolies, medical costs, lack proper sanitation, and erosion of liberties.

Futile attempts at preventing suckers from being suckered is about as low as it gets on my 'need more laws' scale. Trying to prevent businesses from shaping and fulfilling demand for horrible games isn't much higher.

Quote: Originally Posted by Mand12 View Post
Opens what door? The barn one, that's been open for decades? About not only games, but other popular entertainment?
Yes, that one.

I'd rather close it.

Quote: Originally Posted by looniam View Post
i submit that the very existence of randomized loot boxes shows that the law has failed.
I generally have less of an issue with failed legislation than successful legislation, especially when I feel it's an area that doesn't require any.

Quote: Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
if only it was as easy as "not buying lootboxes".
It is as easy as not buying/playing these games.

Quote: Originally Posted by girugamesh View Post
If lootboxes are banned, nothing of value will be lost.
Freedom of choice and action. Freedom from further imposition of someone else's reactionary moral outrage.

Quote: Originally Posted by Assirra View Post
However, now when you want to game some games, you are being exposed to things you don't want
Mostly legislation.
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