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05-31-2019 07:38 AM
battlenut
Quote: Originally Posted by Ceadderman View Post


Do you guys simply watch Adored vids with the volume off?

I've been watching since before Ryzen and Vega launched. He always prefaces with "Speculation" and "Speculative" based on "leaks" and personal knowledge.

If you can do better, simply put together your own YT channel and let er rip.

Based on his speculation he may be wrong, but he's a lot closer than most. At the end of the day, every rumor is subject to change during the manufacturing process. I am not sticking up for the guy because I think that he's spot on, but because he's willing to put time into the rumors of impending AMD product. I've no idea what his Biases are but given that Intel has been sucking their consumer market dry over less than 5% gains over their previous SKU-lines, it's nice to see content regarding their competition. Even if it is speculative in Nature.

One thing you cannot predict where CPUs are concerned is how memory will play with them. Nobody saw RAM issues pre-reviewer samples. Then we found out after launch that any old RAM is not just any old RAM. I guess AMD should have accounted for the egregious Intel Love from the Memory Manufacturing side of things and that their new architecture may not play nice with RAM that was geared toward Intel processors.

I went all in with my R7 1800x purchase at Launch. $500. I learned from that and won't be going all in on future purchases, because it ate up 2 years of warranty coverage sitting in the box and waiting on Motherboard and RAM. I woulda gone with the CVIHero had there been no issues with RAM. But since there were I sat out til the market stabilized and had a better understanding of what was actually going on.

My next upgrade will wait for a bit as I have some time left on this CPU. When I get everything the way I want it, then I will likely Lapp the CPU and keep using it on another platform while I put an R9 on this board and ride it out til CVIIIIHero releases. Change to that board and rinse and repeat.

I just find it laughable how many people are quick to tear someone (who is at the least insightful) down, when they aren't willing to put themselves out there to do the same. You may not agree with him but don't whiz on his method if he's not 100%. If he were 100% every time, then his sources would stop updating him as their NDA would land them in hot water.

~Ceadder
I believe they do watch with system muted. Because he clearly states in the videos I watch to take these with a grain of salt.
05-30-2019 06:00 PM
Ceadderman
Quote: Originally Posted by Shatun-Bear View Post
I think he is full of cr*p. A hardware guy on Resetera has leaked the line-up being revealed tomorrow:

R5 3600- 6C 12T
R5 3600X- 6C 12T
R7 3700- 8C 16T
R7 3700X- 8C 16T
R7 3800X- 12C 24T
-Launch in July
-A few months later you'll get the 3200G and 3400G APU's, which will round off the lower end.
-Those have already been announced (albeit their laptop varients), basic 4c/4t and 4c/8t respectively on 12nm
-Prices all around are quite reasonable, however theyre not the miracle works you've heard before
-3800X is priced lower then the OG 1800X, so you don't have to worry about spending $500
-16C 32T unit isnt coming at launch, or even being revealed.
-Ive heard numerous months for that, but the general consensus is Winter

https://www.resetera.com/threads/ryz...#post-21126183

This guy is reliable.

So it looks like Adored's December hype chart was almost entirely wrong, he got the SKUs wrong, the prices wrong, the APU part was all wrong, and I'm willing to bet that nearly all of the clockspeeds are wrong. Adored was either fed fake info, or made the chart up himself. Whatever the case, he created unrealistic hype that AMD couldn't live up to, especially with those silly prices (which I said at the time were pie in the sky stuff, 7nm 6-core Ryzen for $99?!?!?).


Do you guys simply watch Adored vids with the volume off?

I've been watching since before Ryzen and Vega launched. He always prefaces with "Speculation" and "Speculative" based on "leaks" and personal knowledge.

If you can do better, simply put together your own YT channel and let er rip.

Based on his speculation he may be wrong, but he's a lot closer than most. At the end of the day, every rumor is subject to change during the manufacturing process. I am not sticking up for the guy because I think that he's spot on, but because he's willing to put time into the rumors of impending AMD product. I've no idea what his Biases are but given that Intel has been sucking their consumer market dry over less than 5% gains over their previous SKU-lines, it's nice to see content regarding their competition. Even if it is speculative in Nature.

One thing you cannot predict where CPUs are concerned is how memory will play with them. Nobody saw RAM issues pre-reviewer samples. Then we found out after launch that any old RAM is not just any old RAM. I guess AMD should have accounted for the egregious Intel Love from the Memory Manufacturing side of things and that their new architecture may not play nice with RAM that was geared toward Intel processors.

I went all in with my R7 1800x purchase at Launch. $500. I learned from that and won't be going all in on future purchases, because it ate up 2 years of warranty coverage sitting in the box and waiting on Motherboard and RAM. I woulda gone with the CVIHero had there been no issues with RAM. But since there were I sat out til the market stabilized and had a better understanding of what was actually going on.

My next upgrade will wait for a bit as I have some time left on this CPU. When I get everything the way I want it, then I will likely Lapp the CPU and keep using it on another platform while I put an R9 on this board and ride it out til CVIIIIHero releases. Change to that board and rinse and repeat.

I just find it laughable how many people are quick to tear someone (who is at the least insightful) down, when they aren't willing to put themselves out there to do the same. You may not agree with him but don't whiz on his method if he's not 100%. If he were 100% every time, then his sources would stop updating him as their NDA would land them in hot water.

~Ceadder
05-29-2019 09:25 AM
bigjdubb
Quote: Originally Posted by coupe View Post
It's amazing how AMD shows an amazing product stack that might just put some fear into Intel and their high priced chips and we're all talking about a youtuber who's leaks didn't turn out..
Saying that AMD showed an amazing product stack might be stretching it a bit. 3 processors (with very little info) and teasing a GPU is not exactly showing off an amazing product stack. I know we are excited, but we still need to try and stay in reality.
05-28-2019 09:09 PM
Ultracarpet
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post
Well 5 or 6 people are. I made my comment and it was glistened over. My comment was more about the AMD performance and how it effects the market and Intel, but a few folks want to have an internet flame war about some random youtuber. OK.




Yeah, Forbes, a business and investment newspaper.
Maybe click into the article and you can see that Forbes references adoredtv for the cinebench leak.
05-28-2019 07:27 PM
ArJunaZ
Quote: Originally Posted by zealord View Post
The weekend will fly by and then we will know. I think the keynote is late sunday for americans and early monday morning for Europe if I am not mistaken.

I am in desperate need to upgrade and I hope that Zen2 comes in swinging. I don't even need a 12c or 16c CPU, I would prefer a high clocked 8c/16t CPU !
I'm with you. They could put out a 64-core CPU with all cores at 5Ghz for $299 and I would still not be interested. Now give me a 6C or 8C running at 7 or 8Ghz and I am willing to go $999
05-28-2019 06:54 PM
Lexi is Dumb
Quote: Originally Posted by looniam View Post
maybe your content will find more appreciation over here:

[GamersNexus] Ryzen 3000 release date

somewhere adoredTV's video is not in the OP or source article.
Tbf though, at the time I posted that it probably should have gone in rumors.
05-28-2019 06:53 PM
tpi2007
Quote: Originally Posted by ToTheSun! View Post
Having read that reply chain, I can confidently say I know what rock bottom looks like.

It's also pretty cringy that he thinks he's relevant enough to be playing the followers card.

It's even more ironic since he based his channel's logo and animation on a generic template that I've seen elsewhere on YouTube with another name put on it.

Also his channel is called AdoredTV - Adore Red TV. Take the information with caution.

These leaks never seemed realistic to me simply by looking at the market and what 7nm allowed for. In a little more detail: what the mainstream platform is capable of, what the price points of current CPUs are and the pricing trends, AMD's need for cash, the competitive landscape and what the general consumer would favour on a mainstream platform when buying a CPU. 16 cores was this utopia right until now, but reality has to settle in at some time. Jim missed the boat to acknowledge that.


Here is what I said back in January in his rumour news thread:


https://www.overclock.net/forum/379-...l#post27790118

Quote:
We do know a few things more or less for certain:


(...)

6. Now, stopping at an 8C/16T mainstream offer as the VideoCardz source seems to indicate, only makes sense if it's really something else, you know, if it performs admirably better than the 9900K. So far, from everything we know, I don't see that happening. It will no doubt be faster, but if it's just 5%-10% faster, then there is the problem of AMD starting to be perceived as slowing down to Intel levels and getting comfortable. They are the ones catching up, and with Ice Lake later this year, it would make for a relatively small window of opportunity to get comfortable. I don't think that they can afford to do that at this point, they have to keep impressing and moving forward.

7. Looking at the price that the 1920X is going for at just over 400 € and some places selling them under that mark and the 2920X at 650 €, I can perfectly see a 12C/24T CPU making it into mainstream at the 500€ price point. It's 50% more cores, so AMD can't be accused of slowing down, and they keep their margins, while allowing them to get back to the 1800X's price point, with the 16C/32T still enjoying HEDT status for a while more. Now, I can perfectly see them releasing a 16C/32T CPU if they really want to make a slam dunk on Intel, but there's the question of margins, TDP, and if it's not too soon, if it makes sense overall. However, given that a 12C/24T CPU will be made of two chiplets, a 16C/32T CPU is possible at any time, and that's a good card to have to respond to Intel at any time if needed. Personally, I'd say that it makes more sense for them to go 16C/32T with 7nm EUV.



https://www.overclock.net/forum/379-...l#post27790118

Quote:
I have zero doubt that Zen 2 will have higher IPC than Intel's Skylake / Kaby Lake / Coffee Lake arch, so if the Zen 2 8C/16T part ends up tied or slightly slower than the 9900K it will be due to clockspeed differences alone and Intel's 95w TDP shenanigans and their complicity with motherboard makers in not implementing the Turbo guidelines properly. They probably know what is coming, hence the move.

And I agree, whatever it turns out to be, I very much doubt that AMD will stop at 8 cores on the mainstream platform, staying there isn't enough momentum and AMD needs to keep the momentum consistent for several years.
05-28-2019 06:20 PM
looniam
Quote: Originally Posted by Darkpriest667 View Post
Well 5 or 6 people are. I made my comment and it was glistened over. My comment was more about the AMD performance and how it effects the market and Intel, but a few folks want to have an internet flame war about some random youtuber. OK.

Yeah, Forbes, a business and investment newspaper.
maybe your content will find more appreciation over here:

[GamersNexus] Ryzen 3000 release date

somewhere adoredTV's video is not in the OP or source article.
05-28-2019 05:45 PM
Darkpriest667
Quote: Originally Posted by coupe View Post
It's amazing how AMD shows an amazing product stack that might just put some fear into Intel and their high priced chips and we're all talking about a youtuber who's leaks didn't turn out..

Well 5 or 6 people are. I made my comment and it was glistened over. My comment was more about the AMD performance and how it effects the market and Intel, but a few folks want to have an internet flame war about some random youtuber. OK.

Quote: Originally Posted by Ultracarpet View Post
You do realize what the source of this thread is, right?

Yeah, Forbes, a business and investment newspaper.
05-28-2019 05:28 PM
Ultracarpet
Quote: Originally Posted by coupe View Post
It's amazing how AMD shows an amazing product stack that might just put some fear into Intel and their high priced chips and we're all talking about a youtuber who's leaks didn't turn out..
You do realize what the source of this thread is, right?
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