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06-29-2019 10:50 PM
Section31
Quote: Originally Posted by DNMock View Post
In Win has some really high quality cases. If it's a big modular quality case you are after, Mountainmods is pretty good too.




If you are gaming or benchmarking on a system that is critical enough to have any worries about those security risks, you are doing it very, very, wrong.
Thanks for the suggestions but I am looking at the Lian Li Odyssey X already.
06-29-2019 10:43 PM
tpi2007 By AMD's own admission in their E3 slides (see below), it's going to be "comparable" to Intel at gaming, but it won't always win. In fact, looking at the slides, and judging by AMD's down to earth stance with Zen since its launch, it's expected that Zen 2 will at best still lose by a little overall against the 9900K (vs the 3900X), with 3 wins, one tie and 4 losses.

It will be interesting to see how the reviews go about comparing these head to head, price point to price point, because it does seem like that extra cache and higher boost clock on the 3900X does make a difference against the 3800X and may indeed be the best gaming CPU from AMD, even more so now that Windows will have a topology awareness scheduler, which I'm assuming will make the biggest difference with the 3900X's two CPU chiplet configuration. From the slides, the 3900X never loses against the 3800X and then goes on to win in 3 out of 8 games.

In the 3900X vs the 9900K slide you can see that Intel wins 4 games (in two of them by a very small margin), AMD wins 3 games and they tie in one. Interestingly enough, the results of which CPU wins in each game varies by slide. The 3600X against the 9600K it goes one way in some games, and then in the other slides (3800X vs 9700K and 3900X vs 9900K), it goes other ways. But overall though, by AMD's own admission, Intel generally will win in the majority of games (5 out of 8 for the 9600K and 9700K and 4 out of 8 and one tie for the 9900K), but overall it's going to be close and in some games the difference will be really small.

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06-29-2019 09:49 PM
WannaBeOCer
Quote: Originally Posted by AlphaC View Post
"Throttling in this context means that the processor will not boost nearly as high. Instead of 4.8 GHz all-core (180 W), it was running at around 4.1 GHz when left at stock TDP. "


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/i...-9900k/18.html

TPU's i9-9900k review states that it's 4.1GHz for AVX loads if you are using stock TDP ; i.e. 180W for a full AVX 4.8GHz chip
I'm pretty sure it all depends on the load on how far it throttles. Cinebench R15 doesn't use AVX while R20 does use AVX. I just ran Cinebench at 1v and the package power was only 84w.
06-29-2019 09:41 PM
AlphaC "Throttling in this context means that the processor will not boost nearly as high. Instead of 4.8 GHz all-core (180 W), it was running at around 4.1 GHz when left at stock TDP. "


https://www.techpowerup.com/review/i...-9900k/18.html

TPU's i9-9900k review states that it's 4.1GHz for AVX loads if you are using stock TDP ; i.e. 180W for a full AVX 4.8GHz chip
06-29-2019 09:32 PM
rdr09
Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
GamerNexus shows that a 9900k with MCE off on an Asus board runs at 4.2Ghz and uses 94.9w for an entire 23 minutes during a Blender render.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...-duration-z390



9900k @ 4.2Ghz with 2133Mhz ram and 3866Mhz. The question is why is their board and LinusTechTip's boards running at 4.3Ghz. Even than it's still higher than 1800 points.

Let's get back to the point that at 1080p TechSpot showed the Ring Bus had a decent lead in a decent amount of titles at the same frequency.

https://www.techspot.com/article/161...gen/page3.html
Now bounce those numbers with that of the Spanish site. Remember, the 2700X in that review only got less than 1800. Thats why i was saying it was running under 4GHz. My 2700 @ 4.1 gets 1900 points. Tweaked of course while theirs was gimped. Why?
06-29-2019 09:12 PM
WannaBeOCer
Quote: Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post
Wut? Without MCE it only get less than 1800. Meaning keeping the 95 TDP.
GamerNexus shows that a 9900k with MCE off on an Asus board runs at 4.2Ghz and uses 94.9w for an entire 23 minutes during a Blender render.

https://www.gamersnexus.net/guides/3...-duration-z390

Quote:
Notice that there is a sharp fall-off after about 30 seconds, where average all-core frequency plummets from 4.7GHz to 4.2GHz. Notice that the power consumption remains at almost exactly 95W for the entire test, pegged to 94.9W and relatively flat. This corresponds to the right axis, with frequency on the left. This feels like an RTX flashback, where we’re completely power-limited. The difference is that this is under the specification, despite the CPU clearly being capable of more. You’ll see that the frequency picks up again when the workload ends, leaving us with unchallenged idle frequencies.
9900k @ 4.2Ghz with 2133Mhz ram and 3866Mhz. The question is why is their board and LinusTechTip's boards running at 4.3Ghz. Even than it's still higher than 1800 points.

Let's get back to the point that at 1080p TechSpot showed the Ring Bus had a decent lead in a decent amount of titles at the same frequency.

https://www.techspot.com/article/161...gen/page3.html
06-29-2019 08:47 PM
rdr09
Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
The score in the link of the OP shows a score of 1928 which isn't a MCE score. 2000-2100 is a MCE score.
Wut? Without MCE it only get less than 1800. Meaning keeping the 95 TDP.
06-29-2019 08:42 PM
WannaBeOCer
Quote: Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post
The link shows the i9 was using MCE, while the 2700X getting less than 1800 in CB15 was ran without XFR/PBO. You find that fair? I bet the 3600 was treated same way.
The score in the link of the OP shows a score of 1928 which isn't a MCE score. 2000-2100 is a MCE score.
06-29-2019 08:39 PM
rdr09
Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
What optimized settings? The OP benchmark is within margin of error of my score. I'm sure if I ran it a few times I would also get a similar score.

I'm not arguing that AMD has superior SMT performance. That 4.3Ghz required more power than a 9900k @ 4.3Ghz that only uses 95w. The Ring bus is faster than AMD's Zen at gaming. And the 7th will show that the OP benchmark is accurate.
The link shows the i9 was using MCE, while the 2700X getting less than 1800 in CB15 was ran without XFR/PBO. You find that fair? I bet the 3600 was treated same way.

BTW, my 2700 at 4.1 GHz gets 1900 points. But my RAM was at 3533MHz.
06-29-2019 08:33 PM
WannaBeOCer
Quote: Originally Posted by rdr09 View Post
Exactly, the 2700X with XFR/PBO even before some mitigations got over 2000 points at 4.3GHz and tweaked RAM.

Like i was saying, the i9 was tested using optimized settings compared to the AMD cpus.

http://imgur.com/a/ZGOyduX
What optimized settings? The OP benchmark is within margin of error of my score. I'm sure if I ran it a few times I would also get a similar score.

I'm not arguing that AMD has superior SMT performance. That 4.3Ghz required more power than a 9900k @ 4.3Ghz that only uses 95w. The Ring bus is faster than AMD's Zen at gaming. And the 7th will show that the OP benchmark is accurate.
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