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09-18-2019 12:41 PM
Nighthog @ryajin

To low VDDG can give trouble with AVX calculations.

For example when I ran 700-800mv VDDG I got errors running Y-cruncher. Above 900mv it was all ok.

I've seen the faster your ram the higher VDDG might be needed. Because I saw a relation to tFAW in MEM OC, the lower tFAW I tried the higher VDDG I needed to no get trouble.
09-18-2019 12:35 PM
ryajin
Quote: Originally Posted by killaho View Post
After further testing I can unequivocally say that the VCORE SOC voltage settings are indeed broken. My experience matches Ryajin's exactly. Every other voltage setting reverts back to VCORE SOC voltage of 1.068V. Which for me results in audio crackling or stutter because I'm running an 1900 IF frequency.

Again this issue is exhibited on a Aorus Wifi Pro with the F6a bios.

Can anyone else with the same board confirm this as well? Thanks

There are two ways to solve those crackling issues for IF 1867 MHz and 1900MHz. Increase VSOC or lower VDDG Voltage. My aorus pro defaults to 1050mV VDDG which is too high (at least for me) because I experience random reboots and sound outages with VDDG higher than 950 mV.



I am running it now with VSOC 1.1V and VDDG 935mV and no more crashes or crackling. I can even go down to 850mV VDDG without issues. This is something I couldn't believe because Ryzen RAM calculator shows that 950mV is the minium value. I wonder why others can run it with 1050mV without issues at 1867MHz or 1900MHz IF.


Another strange thing I observed is: running IF with 1800MHz and 1050mV VDDG causes no issues with low VSOC voltage (Auto setting). So no random reboots and no sound crackling.


I can also confirm that this audio crackle thing surely has something to do with VDDG and VSOC and not some interference from outside of the PC. The crackling appears on external DAC, onboard sound and monitor sound.


My conclusion to this: there must be something wrong with some mainboard series (maybe aorus pro (wifi) only?) I suspect there is some quirk with VDDG voltage with IF frequencies at 1867MHz and above.


GBT-MatthewH can you say something about this?


Oh and the latest beta bios makes booting IF 1900MHz impossible for me while the latest stable works with IF 1900MHz.
09-18-2019 09:51 AM
Waltc For what it's worth, in my x570 Master I can input a 1900MHz IF with the attendant ram freq overclock, leaving vcore soc at default, and I experience no crackling in sound of any kind--never have under any conditions, actually, since installing the Master on July 9th, regardless of AGESA/bios version--& I've installed all of them. The crackling issue sounds much like interference of some kind, either from an internal or external device. Added thought: I run wired exclusively and disable the wireless Intel adapter in the Device Manager, as well as the onboard bluetooth device (zero point to allowing resource allocation for hardware devices I'm not using, eh?). Wondering what happens for people hearing the crackle if they do the same--wish I could think of something else to offer, but only other thing I can think of might be interference locally being generated by a household device of some kind that is picked up when your IF hits a certain freq. Hope you can get it solved..;)


A further note: I'm actually very impressed with the ALC1220 & ESS Sabre DAC hardware w/headphone amp that come standard on the x570 Master. I had been using MSI x370/x470 boards prior to going Zen 2, and I tell you the difference with my Sony MDR-7506 studio phones between the MSI Godlike and the GB Aorus Master is night and day--really, it blew me away as I never expected it. You can buy a $350 Zen2 MSI mboard, the Ace, or the $700 Godlike MSI Zen2 mboard (with a Godlike price--like the GB Aorus Extreme)--but the sound hardware is exactly the same with each MSI motherboard! You get the ALC1220, but there all similarity with the x570 Master onboard sound hardware ends: no matter how much you spend for an MSI Zen2 x570 mboard--up to $700--all you get in the way of hardware is the ALC 1220, plus....Nahimic (3.x, for Windows 10) software custom-scripted for MSI exclusively--(it's sound-processing software used to turn the CPU into a sound co-processor on the cheap--to add more bass, treble, midrange, effects, etc.) With my MSI mboards I had thought the sound was fine--at least passable--until I cranked up my x570 Master and plugged my phones into a front-panel HD-audio jack...;) Holy Moly...;)...What a difference! I'm hearing so much that I never heard before through my former MSI onboard sound--what an incredible difference. Literally was as if I'd suddenly pulled cotton out of my ears! No comparison at all! And no contest. MSI loses bigly, here. That's the sort of surprise I can live with. [I'm impressed with the entire x570 Master board, actually, but up to now had said nothing about the onboard sound.]
09-18-2019 08:24 AM
bigcid10 I want to thank all the guys and Gals here for all the insight I've gained
reading and not opening my mouth before I read first

from the info I got here
I managed to fix my sata issues
get my ultra stable at 4.3 all core (1.35v)
get my ram from 3200(4x8GB) to 3600
I had to do a clean reload to fix the bios update issue that I and a few others were having
but I updated since without issue
other fixes include minor voltage adjustment(soc,vddg,p etc)
I don't have the fan issues

Thank you soo much
(now watch,my pc will probably blow up tonight,lol)
09-18-2019 08:22 AM
killaho
Quote: Originally Posted by IntelHouseFire View Post
Isn't 1.2v considered the max safe voltage for SOC? Or did you mean to type 1.125?
Yup, sorry. I left out critical digits when it comes to this setting. I did mean 1.125
09-18-2019 08:11 AM
IntelHouseFire
Quote: Originally Posted by killaho View Post
A VCORE SOC voltage of 1.1 is not high. I would try increasing the voltage a step at a time. My crackling went away at around ~1.25 volts but I can't fine tune it any further due to the broken settings I reported.

Also, I had to increase the VDDG to .991 volts as well. Mine was around .947 which contributed to the audio crackling/stutter.
Isn't 1.2v considered the max safe voltage for SOC? Or did you mean to type 1.125?
09-18-2019 08:00 AM
killaho
Quote: Originally Posted by IntelHouseFire View Post
I'm on the Ultra and I also have the crackling issue, but I also get mouse lag as it happens; the mouse kind of freezes for half a second.

I couldn't even get 3600/1800 before manually lowering VDDG under 1v, now it starts when I try to go above that. Is higher SOC voltage the only solution as of now? It's already set to 1.1 which is kind of high? How much more do I have to push it?
A VCORE SOC voltage of 1.1 is not high. I would try increasing the voltage a step at a time. My crackling went away at around ~1.125 volts but I can't fine tune it any further due to the broken settings I reported.

Also, I had to increase the VDDG to .991 volts as well. Mine was around .947 which contributed to the audio crackling/stutter.
09-18-2019 07:56 AM
fallenguru @GBT-MatthewH : Any progress on the Noctua issue? Having to enter the BIOS on each and every boot to enable the affected fan is getting old fast.


At least now I've had time to get a couple of new NF-A14 PWM and do some testing: All exhibit the faulty behaviour (will only spin up if switched PWM --> Voltage and back) on FAN4, all are fine on FAN5 ... IMHO, it's not the fan, it's the one specific header. I've switched the (original) fan to FAN5 for now, but I'd really appreciate a fix.
09-18-2019 07:45 AM
fallenguru
Quote: Originally Posted by kingwaffle View Post
For those of you with the fan ramping issues, I strongly recommend just manually setting your fan speeds in the BIOS. The weird Ryzen "saw" temperatures where it spikes and then trickles back down causes this behavior.
That's a temporary workaround, not a solution.
Interestingly, F6 was much better for me as far as the see-sawing goes, F7a is as bad as it's ever been.

Quote: Originally Posted by HalongPort View Post
It would be nice when Gigabyte would allow us to use a wider range of step-up/step-down fan time in BIOS [...].The current options (1/2/3 sec time interval) are not sufficient.
The current hysteresis isn't based on time, but temperature. IOW, these aren't seconds, but °K.

Quote: Originally Posted by Aenra View Post
No dedicated fan controller; [...] refusing to buy an A/C unit.
I'm sorry, but if I buy a product with feature X, for whatever reason, then it had better work properly. Of course a proper wired network is better than wifi, and in fact I'd rather buy a mainboard without. After all, I have every room wired. But I'm also mature enough to realise other people may have different needs. Of course external audio interfaces are better. I love my digital monitors. But I also realise that the onboard audio is enough for most people's speaker/headphones. And even if there's a better option --that's no excuse for wifi/audio to be flaky, if present. As for the A/C thing, must be nice in your bubble. In my country they're uncommon, almost unheard of in private homes. I actually go a quote once, it was on the order of a small car -- per room.
09-18-2019 07:41 AM
IntelHouseFire
Quote: Originally Posted by killaho View Post
After further testing I can unequivocally say that the VCORE SOC voltage settings are indeed broken. My experience matches Ryajin's exactly. Every other voltage setting reverts back to VCORE SOC voltage of 1.068V. Which for me results in audio crackling or stutter because I'm running an 1900 IF frequency.

Again this issue is exhibited on a Aorus Wifi Pro with the F6a bios.

Can anyone else with the same board confirm this as well? Thanks
Quote: Originally Posted by MatthewK View Post
Aorus Xtreme with F5a here. Same issue. Actually anything above 3600/1800 results in audio crackling for me, and that includes HDMI out from a 1080 Ti, USB audio from a JDS Labs Element, as well as the built-in audio. Overclock is otherwise stable. After fiddling with it for the past couple of months and praying to the Gigabyte gods that they'd fix it, I've finally given up and settled on 3600/1800. Considering I went overboard with buying an Xtreme, I sure as heck hope they fix these issues sometime soon.
Quote: Originally Posted by killaho View Post
Try increasing the VCORE SOC voltage. That should resolve the audio crackling issue. This happens for some folks running a high IF frequency.

The issue I'm reporting is the VCORE SOC voltage settings in the bios. It does not apply every other voltage setting. Totally separate issue.
I'm on the Ultra and I also have the crackling issue, but I also get mouse lag as it happens; the mouse kind of freezes for half a second.

I couldn't even get 3600/1800 before manually lowering VDDG under 1v, now it starts when I try to go above that. Is higher SOC voltage the only solution as of now? It's already set to 1.1 which is kind of high? How much more do I have to push it?
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