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07-28-2019 03:06 PM
Schnitter So they admit defeat, but their CPUs are still same price as before Ryzen 3000 launched... who is still buying their stuff when AMD is just plain better? (except in very niche scenarios for those that get an erection when they see 6FPS more past what their monitors can actually show).

The only reason I am contemplating on Intel over AMD is because AMD mITX boards suck. I mean, how come Intel boards support two m.2 nvme speeds fully and have optical out while the only x570 ITX AMD board that has optical is the ASRock and that board has only 1 m.2
07-28-2019 09:43 AM
jtom320
Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
sure, if you want one GPU, n only 2 full speed nvme.

Well if we're being honest how large a % of OCN is this? 70 - 80 - 90?

Anyway I really like my 3900x. I even have kind of grown fond of PBO although I wish it'd allow me to set per core OC's on my own. If this CPU gave me control of a chiplet with four cores I feel like you could make it fly.

4.2 on 8 and 4.5 on 4 and we'd be in the money. I think the chip could probably do it to.
07-28-2019 12:45 AM
skupples
Quote: Originally Posted by jtom320 View Post
Well this is silly. They are just giant profit machines.

I'll buy whatever one I think I'll grow into. Right now AMD wins. Narrowly.

10nm would scare me were I AMD at least long term. Right now if you purely game which I'd imagine is the majority of OCN's audience a 9700k as far as I can tell is still the "best" CPU.
sure, if you want one GPU, n only 2 full speed nvme.
07-27-2019 01:31 PM
rluker5
Quote: Originally Posted by guttheslayer View Post
Only matters of time before games start to take advantage of CPU cores parallelism, that is the day AMD will shine and kill intel for good. Unless Intel match up to the competition with real competitive prices.
Consoles have Jaguar, they need it. Mantle came around when AMD had FX and needed more core parallelism.

If the need goes away, will the push for more parallelism? It takes precious power to turn all of the cores all of the way up.

I'm not taking this parallelism as gospel. Consoles are heading for a big change in their cpu capabilities and what has been happening in the past might not be the same as the future.
07-27-2019 12:20 PM
jtom320
Quote: Originally Posted by oxidized View Post
No but AMD fans and the rest of the flock love to think so, after all bashing on intel and loving AMD has been the thing for a couple of years now, always root for the underdog! And always exalt their products.
Well this is silly. They are just giant profit machines.

I'll buy whatever one I think I'll grow into. Right now AMD wins. Narrowly.

10nm would scare me were I AMD at least long term. Right now if you purely game which I'd imagine is the majority of OCN's audience a 9700k as far as I can tell is still the "best" CPU.
07-27-2019 12:16 PM
oxidized
Quote: Originally Posted by jtom320 View Post
Is Intel really behind?

I'd have bought a 9900k but I figured the 3900x would give me 3 or 4 years with the extra 4 cores and PCIE 4.0. If I could have got PCI-4.0 and ten cores on Z390 I'd have bought that more then likely.

Although the voltage on my 3900x is making me hate it at the moment so that could color my answer. Coming from Skylake the behavior of the chip is just a pain in the ass generally.
No but AMD fans and the rest of the flock love to think so, after all bashing on intel and loving AMD has been the thing for a couple of years now, always root for the underdog! And always exalt their products.
07-27-2019 09:48 AM
jtom320 Is Intel really behind?

I'd have bought a 9900k but I figured the 3900x would give me 3 or 4 years with the extra 4 cores and PCIE 4.0. If I could have got PCI-4.0 and ten cores on Z390 I'd have bought that more then likely.

Although the voltage on my 3900x is making me hate it at the moment so that could color my answer. Coming from Skylake the behavior of the chip is just a pain in the ass generally.
07-26-2019 08:27 PM
m4fox90
Quote: Originally Posted by Kpjoslee View Post
Care to elaborate why that is funny? Intel's 10nm is about similar density as TSMC 7nm, while Intel's 7nm is competing node against TSMC's 5nm.

I like how all this turned into Intel vs AMD when I was criticizing the article itself lol.


It's a meme because all we've heard for years and years and years (since Broadwell!) is how great Intel's 10nm is/will be and how much better it is than [insert whatever other Fab you like who's actually making functioning products]. It's tough to take seriously anything that isn't, you know, a real consumer product.


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07-26-2019 06:08 PM
Kpjoslee
Quote: Originally Posted by Imouto View Post
Maybe because it is a useless metric used only for marketing. The only metric that matters is how the node performs.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/technology_node
You are giving him more credit than he deserves

anyways, Samsung's roadmap looks even worse with 7, 5, 4, and 3nm planned up to 2020/21. (Samsung's 3nm is competing node against TSMC 5nm, though it is aiming to be first with GAAFet)
07-26-2019 05:40 PM
Imouto
Quote: Originally Posted by Kpjoslee View Post
Care to elaborate why that is funny? Intel's 10nm is about similar density as TSMC 7nm, while Intel's 7nm is competing node against TSMC's 5nm.
I like how all this turned into Intel vs AMD when I was criticizing the article itself lol.
Maybe because it is a useless metric used only for marketing. The only metric that matters is how the node performs.

https://en.wikichip.org/wiki/technology_node
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