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08-05-2019 11:56 AM
skupples
Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
AMD has buggy drivers?

Intel has been making making iGPUs for quite some time now. They also made their own OS and are now working on OneAPI. I don't see them releasing a buggy driver.
i'm speaking towards perception, and marketing smear campaigns.

I agree, igpus + the internal time will reduce the possibility for crippling issues, but there will still be some small issues that the competition use to blow things way outta proportion.
08-05-2019 09:35 AM
7850K
Quote: Originally Posted by maltamonk View Post
OEM's will have the option to run AMD CPU's, but will likely face the same situation where AMD will influence them to run AMD discrete solutions as well.
hah, that'd be the day
08-05-2019 08:27 AM
WannaBeOCer
Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
it'll take some time, but not as long as you think. Intel's been throwing their wallet at this project for awhile now. They finally think they're ready, let's see this buggy mess to the races!

someone pointed out drivers. Intel will most certainly inherent the "buggy driver" crown from AMD.
AMD has buggy drivers?

Intel has been making making iGPUs for quite some time now. They also made their own OS and are now working on OneAPI. I don't see them releasing a buggy driver.
08-04-2019 10:17 PM
skupples
Quote: Originally Posted by m4fox90 View Post
Nvidia has long-term mindshare leads that aren't going to withered away so easily, combined with all of the corporate hubris in the world. They'll be fine and continue to dominate mobile and OEM.


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it'll take some time, but not as long as you think. Intel's been throwing their wallet at this project for awhile now. They finally think they're ready, let's see this buggy mess to the races!

someone pointed out drivers. Intel will most certainly inherent the "buggy driver" crown from AMD.
08-04-2019 07:04 PM
tpi2007
Quote: Originally Posted by G woodlogger View Post
Looks like Intel will start with cheap $200 cards late 2020:

https://www.sweclockers.com/nyhet/27...a-runt-200-usd

So the pain wíll continue


[TH] No, Raja Koduri Didn't Say Intel's Discrete GPUs Will Debut at $200

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We followed up with Intel to see if Koduri actually made the statements attributed to him, and the company responded that Koduri's comments "had been misconstrued and/or lost in translation." Intel provided us with audio of Koduri's actual comments, which we've transcribed here for reference:

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“Not everybody will buy a $500-$600 card, but there are enough people buying those too – so that’s a great market.

So the strategy we’re taking is we’re not really worried about the performance range, the cost range and all because eventually our architecture as I’ve publicly said, has to hit from mainstream, which starts even around $100, all the way to Data Center-class graphics with HBM memories and all, which will be expensive.

We have to hit everything; it’s just a matter of where do you start? The First one? The Second one? The Third one? And the strategy that we have within a period of roughly – let’s call it 2-3 years – to have the full stack." - Raja Koduri
08-03-2019 09:20 PM
rluker5
Quote: Originally Posted by Hwgeek View Post
Yes I know. got 8250U+MX150, the thing is that it's Intel, and when they gonna have their GPU's ready they will start to push them to OEM's with CPU+GPU combo IMO, so even if the NV+Intel solution could give better experience- OEM's may choose differently.
I think you are overestimating Intel's influence. Atom came, Atom left. Dumped in the market for very little $, functional Windows performance with power consumption suitable for fanless pc sticks, fanless tablets and even phones.
What happened after the flood of those chips? There are only a few left selling in mini pcs, and still some 2015 era cherry trails floating around. I think they are great but apparently not enough others do. The OEM push was a failure because people didn't want them.

Intel can take some gt1030 level dgpu marketshare with their igpus (as can AMD), but if they don't have good power use or largely universal stability the -know littles/don't want to mess with its- who just want to buy a regular laptop that can play games close to a console aren't going to be interested in some relatively buggy new dgpu setup. Serious gamers that spend a lot of time away from home might, but then they will shop more on price/perf or just perf. People that build their own pcs will beat laptop price/perf with desktops.

If Intel can beat Nvidias driver team out of the gate I'll be really surprised. I think they have a better chance winning on the basis of hardware. I hope AMD starts to compete but they still seem pretty overpriced in mobile.
08-03-2019 08:52 PM
m4fox90
Quote: Originally Posted by maltamonk View Post
OEM's will likely be persuaded by Intel to run Intel's discrete solutions over Nvidia's while running Intel CPU's. OEM's will have the option to run AMD CPU's, but will likely face the same situation where AMD will influence them to run AMD discrete solutions as well. This will likely push Nvidia out of low end OEM machines, unless they partner with ARM or something. It's not favorable for Nvidia and it'll be interesting to see where they go b/c of it.


Nvidia has long-term mindshare leads that aren't going to withered away so easily, combined with all of the corporate hubris in the world. They'll be fine and continue to dominate mobile and OEM.


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08-03-2019 03:30 PM
maltamonk
Quote: Originally Posted by Hwgeek View Post
Yes I know. got 8250U+MX150, the thing is that it's Intel, and when they gonna have their GPU's ready they will start to push them to OEM's with CPU+GPU combo IMO, so even if the NV+Intel solution could give better experience- OEM's may choose differently.
OEM's will likely be persuaded by Intel to run Intel's discrete solutions over Nvidia's while running Intel CPU's. OEM's will have the option to run AMD CPU's, but will likely face the same situation where AMD will influence them to run AMD discrete solutions as well. This will likely push Nvidia out of low end OEM machines, unless they partner with ARM or something. It's not favorable for Nvidia and it'll be interesting to see where they go b/c of it.
08-03-2019 01:50 PM
Hwgeek Yes I know. got 8250U+MX150, the thing is that it's Intel, and when they gonna have their GPU's ready they will start to push them to OEM's with CPU+GPU combo IMO, so even if the NV+Intel solution could give better experience- OEM's may choose differently.
08-03-2019 01:02 PM
rluker5
Quote: Originally Posted by Hwgeek View Post
What Nvidia gonna do to not loose it's market share on mobile? since Intel will push them hard with their new iGPU and dGPU while AMD will do the same with N7/N7+, how big is the market share above RTX2060 on mobile? [IMO they can keep the high end but loose the mid/low end to Intel and AMD]
Have you tried mobile Nvidia lately? They have a really polished setup going. My laptop's 1050ti runs as invisibly as an igpu. The thing autoswitches to the igpu during low load. Of course this is because I left that default option as is. I could have set the thing to use just one or the other. The stability is absolute, the configurations are well tuned for usability. It will be a bit before AMD can win on anything but frames per $ in this market and Intel driver's will probably take a bit before they are as stable and suited for mobile limitations.
Nvidia has another gen at least before they have to worry about laptop competitors for the not diy crowd.
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