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11-21-2019 05:47 PM
Mr. Mojo
Quote: Originally Posted by Grin View Post
In my local Microcenter 3700x is $300 but 3800x is $330 only. That price makes 3800x a good buy isn’t it?
For $30 more, I'd buy it. Depending on what you do with the chip, the difference between the 2 can be anywhere from small to insignificant, but $30 would be worth it.
11-21-2019 05:41 PM
Grin In my local Microcenter 3700x is $300 but 3800x is $330 only. That price makes 3800x a good buy isn’t it?
11-21-2019 06:41 AM
uBronan @Schnitter
Steve's conclusions are not really something to believe anyway, i actually do not trust most of these persons at all.

Since i have seen how much "free hardware and money" is involved by these people.
So no i do not look at their conclusions at all the only one i do respect is Level1techs which in my opinion gives a much more honest review. However i always find a friend who got the hardware and test it myself, because yes i know i am a demanding IT junk which wants much more than average joe out there playing just games on the computer.
I have loads of drives never have enough, and a insane need for more ram .

However i also play games daily as well during the wait for the results of my science projects, but non of the new titles are something i care about.
They all are boring and online, and yes you guessed it i do not love always being connected to steam or whatever all day long.
I hate it that it constant start itself so yes i disable them constant. Its almost a weekly burden to remove the endless reinstalling auto start programs. Each update one or the other has nested itself again as auto start program.
Even the never ending battle with M$ and nvidia its spyware to disable it will go on,
I hate most those idiots make from M$ so i do not want to use any of it besides the basic OS. But before one says go linux.... IT SUXX for gaming non of my games (mostly strategic or solo F.P.S.) run on linux hell even the steam solution failed to get my games running.
But i admit most of them are heavily modded ones.
For example skyriim se which needs already 654 Gb of disk space for the mods alone .. yes all 4K content.
This far my choice is leaning towards the 3800X or waiting for the WRX80 threadrippers, i want to know if my games could run on those workstation boards well.
My games run at insane high fps if i wanted too but there is no need for high fps 60 is more than enough.
Especially because i also do not count myself as a king in online games, which most only dream they are, but thats besides this topic.
I constant see that the temps of the 3800X seems to be the biggest problem when you start overclocking.
From what i see in most forums i read it looks like the products all are heavily binned from factory down the pipeline in the sales.
Every point in the chain wants to make the most profit, proof of that i can give you.
I have bought around 100 times a i7 6700k to get a good overclocker but non of them ever made it on my 3 motherboards above 4.5 Ghz stable, while hundreds of people claim to have them running at much higher clocks.
Actually i tried to buy a few of these super clocked cpu but guess what when i asked them to show the machine running they either had taken it apart and suddenly had sold the motherboard .... the list goes on.
Not one of them could show me the cpu was actually running it at 4.7 and higher, we already know by now that the ryzen ones are no different. These on top of the food chain already got a few of the best. The rest has to do with whats left.
10-27-2019 08:12 PM
Cidious
Quote: Originally Posted by Nighthog View Post
The thing is the silicon is better for 3800X than 3700X. If your running stock it doesn't matter but if you want to mess with it the 3800X will give you a better experience.

The worst 3800X is better than the best 3700X. At least looking at silicon lottery's binning and my own 3800X sample.
I've got a bottom barrel 3800X and it's still better than their best 3700X.
What would you call a bottom of the barrel 3800X? and how to measure? I can't seem to get passed 4979 Cinebench with PBO on, on my Mortar. I'll be getting a Gigabyte X570 Aorus Pro soon to see if that would pull the chip ahead. New Agesa should improve things too.
09-03-2019 04:00 PM
almstsobur
Quote: Originally Posted by JarleH View Post
May I ask what mobo you are using?


Sorry, just saw this, catching up on this thread. ASRock X470 Taichi - non ultimate. I have an MSI X570 board as well, but I much prefer the Taichi BIOS, so i'm using it.
08-17-2019 08:17 PM
ver_21
Quote: Originally Posted by upgraditus View Post
You're presuming something incorrect, I did the same initially. The CPU can and does still sleep cores in a manually overclocked state, even with Windows set to High Performance power plan with CPU set 100% min/max. With a fixed voltage in the 1.25v to 1.35v range one can get a very decent reduction in temps (and thus noise) during typical usage, and with a fixed all core or per ccx OC you can even perform better at the same time (with clocks on auto you will get lower perf for your lower temps). Typical Idle power draw for my 3700X is just ~20-25W.

The only real downside of manual all-core overclock seems to be a reduction in image editing, but you won't likely notice it unless you run RealBench.
08-16-2019 07:40 AM
upgraditus
Quote: Originally Posted by JarleH View Post
Ok thanks, good to know. OC is not important for me at all, and if you at the same time lock your CPU so it does not throttle down, its a given for me that OC is not something I want to do. Heat and noise is important for me!
You're presuming something incorrect, I did the same initially. The CPU can and does still sleep cores in a manually overclocked state, even with Windows set to High Performance power plan with CPU set 100% min/max. With a fixed voltage in the 1.25v to 1.35v range one can get a very decent reduction in temps (and thus noise) during typical usage, and with a fixed all core or per ccx OC you can even perform better at the same time (with clocks on auto you will get lower perf for your lower temps). Typical Idle power draw for my 3700X is just ~20-25W.
08-16-2019 02:01 AM
JarleH
Quote: Originally Posted by VPII View Post
Nope, with manual overclock your voltage if set manual will stay put and the core speed stay put. The clocks on that list stipulate for manual ALL CORE overclocks which is better in most cases than running stock. For example, my Ryzen 9 3900X runs 4.317ghz all core at 1.28vcore. Temps are pretty good as it would not even touch 80C when I test it with IBT Linpack.
Ok thanks, good to know. OC is not important for me at all, and if you at the same time lock your CPU so it does not throttle down, its a given for me that OC is not something I want to do. Heat and noise is important for me!
08-15-2019 10:00 AM
VPII
Quote: Originally Posted by JarleH View Post
This is for OCing all cores 24/7 right? Because those mhz are lower then the boost mhz. And if you OC, will the CPU still boost single cores? And how many typical cores can be boosted at a time (without or with OC)? And if you OC a Ryzen, does it still throttle down at low usage?
Nope, with manual overclock your voltage if set manual will stay put and the core speed stay put. The clocks on that list stipulate for manual ALL CORE overclocks which is better in most cases than running stock. For example, my Ryzen 9 3900X runs 4.317ghz all core at 1.28vcore. Temps are pretty good as it would not even touch 80C when I test it with IBT Linpack.
08-15-2019 01:01 AM
JarleH
Quote: Originally Posted by usoldier View Post
Here is the Silicon Lotery Binning Statistics https://siliconlottery.com/pages/statistics

Iam glad i got the 3800x too bad all the reviewers where telling peeps to not get the 3800x for 40 euros more its a nice bump in freq imo
This is for OCing all cores 24/7 right? Because those mhz are lower then the boost mhz. And if you OC, will the CPU still boost single cores? And how many typical cores can be boosted at a time (without or with OC)? And if you OC a Ryzen, does it still throttle down at low usage?
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