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09-08-2019 06:47 AM
skupples
Quote: Originally Posted by dantoddd View Post
Lets see. I'm pretty sure the AMD card will come by the end of this year and I hope it will be close to the 2080Ti at around USD 800 without the RTX bells and whistles. At the same time Nvidia is going to invest heavily in RTX implementations.

I bought my 2080Ti not for RTX stuff but because it was teh only card that gave close to 60fps at 4k, since then i've switched to 3440x1440 panel with GSYNC. That's when i played Control with RTX and for me the qualitative difference in RTX on and off was night and day, and not just me but every reviewer has pretty much said this. Also, i was confortably playing at 60+ fps with one RTX feature turned off and with 2x AA. Now nvidia has a bunch of RTX titles coming up, pretty big ones TBH. Lets see how this difference plays off.

Also, i was saying pretty much the same thing u are saying until I played Control. I had BF5 and Metro, in both cases the ray tracking features weren't worth the performance hit.
Control is the most underwhelming graphical release I've seen in quite some time, tbh. With or without ray tracing on. it looked great on my buddies tiny laptop, but in 4K? meh, GTA5 has better graphics, and every single other DX12 title to drop blows it outta the water with and without Ray Tracing enabled.

you're right, nv already balls deep in ray tracing, as they should be. It'll be relevant eventually, and someone needs to buy it. Enjoy!

Yes, nvidia will keep hammering Ray Tracing, as its the only thing that separates them from AMD & Next consoles at this point. Let's just hope they don't skimp so much next time. Things are clearly whack right now if someone like me is debating buying an AMD card instead of an NV flagship for the first time in a decade.

at the core of my being though, i don't care about any of it until we get HDMI 2.1/DP1.4+ on our cards. They're all garbage until then.
09-08-2019 05:35 AM
Imouto
Quote: Originally Posted by dantoddd View Post
That's when i played Control with RTX and for me the qualitative difference in RTX on and off was night and day, and not just me but every reviewer has pretty much said this.
Because developers gimp the visuals when DXR is off. It was pretty clear with Metro Exodus. Try Resident Evil 2 Remake, Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice or some other game that actually tries and you will see how much developers leave out in DXR titles just to buff up the comparison.

Control with DXR off doesn't even try to fake reflections for god's sake.

And not to talk about it halving your FPS when the whole thing is on that I'm sure will only get worse as more effects are added. Wait until they want to do caustics, SSS and transmission.
09-07-2019 08:33 PM
WannaBeOCer Gears 5 has screen space reflections. Looks nice but the artifacts are very noticeable.
09-07-2019 08:29 PM
ZealotKi11er
Quote: Originally Posted by dantoddd View Post
Lets see. I'm pretty sure the AMD card will come by the end of this year and I hope it will be close to the 2080Ti at around USD 800 without the RTX bells and whistles. At the same time Nvidia is going to invest heavily in RTX implementations.

I bought my 2080Ti not for RTX stuff but because it was teh only card that gave close to 60fps at 4k, since then i've switched to 3440x1440 panel with GSYNC. That's when i played Control with RTX and for me the qualitative difference in RTX on and off was night and day, and not just me but every reviewer has pretty much said this. Also, i was confortably playing at 60+ fps with one RTX feature turned off and with 2x AA. Now nvidia has a bunch of RTX titles coming up, pretty big ones TBH. Lets see how this difference plays off.

Also, i was saying pretty much the same thing u are saying until I played Control. I had BF5 and Metro, in both cases the RTX features weren't worth the performance hit.
Control might have the best RTX but the game itself looks far worse than Metro and BF5. It's like looking at Minecraft were RTX is very apparent. I still found Control RTX implementation trashy. If you think that IQ is acceptable then all be it.
09-07-2019 08:25 PM
dantoddd
Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
most folks, specially in the PC world, don't care about RTX until they don't take a MASSIVE performance hit using it. Most folks I know are NOT willing to drop resolution or give up 30% of their frames for what RTX is currently capable.
They will 100% roll AMD over NV, due to not giving a flip about RTX.

I am one of these people, n I haven't had an AMD/ATI product since Fermi dropped.

I 100% look forward to this new navi card, it may be where i chill till 2021, depending on how well it blows 1080ti outta the water.
Lets see. I'm pretty sure the AMD card will come by the end of this year and I hope it will be close to the 2080Ti at around USD 800 without the RTX bells and whistles. At the same time Nvidia is going to invest heavily in RTX implementations.

I bought my 2080Ti not for RTX stuff but because it was teh only card that gave close to 60fps at 4k, since then i've switched to 3440x1440 panel with GSYNC. That's when i played Control with RTX and for me the qualitative difference in RTX on and off was night and day, and not just me but every reviewer has pretty much said this. Also, i was confortably playing at 60+ fps with one RTX feature turned off and with 2x AA. Now nvidia has a bunch of RTX titles coming up, pretty big ones TBH. Lets see how this difference plays off.

Also, i was saying pretty much the same thing u are saying until I played Control. I had BF5 and Metro, in both cases the RTX features weren't worth the performance hit.
09-07-2019 07:51 PM
skupples
Quote: Originally Posted by dantoddd View Post
its not an apples to apples comparison in terms of performance and many of the big upcoming titles are RTX titles including cyberpunk.
most folks, specially in the PC world, don't care about RTX until they don't take a MASSIVE performance hit using it. Most folks I know are NOT willing to drop resolution or give up 30% of their frames for what RTX is currently capable.
They will 100% roll AMD over NV, due to not giving a flip about RTX.

I am one of these people, n I haven't had an AMD/ATI product since Fermi dropped.

I 100% look forward to this new navi card, it may be where i chill till 2021, depending on how well it blows 1080ti outta the water.
09-07-2019 03:54 AM
dantoddd
Quote: Originally Posted by magnek View Post
We get it, you love RTX and don't mind paying 50% more for 17% less. However you don't represent most people, and most people would never make such an illogical purchase decision.
Well we don't have this card in the market. Maybe we can find out soon
09-06-2019 06:16 PM
magnek
Quote: Originally Posted by dantoddd View Post
its not an apples to apples comparison in terms of performance and many of the big upcoming titles are RTX titles including cyberpunk.
We get it, you love RTX and don't mind paying 50% more for 17% less. However you don't represent most people, and most people would never make such an illogical purchase decision.
09-06-2019 01:54 AM
ilmazzo
Quote: Originally Posted by dantoddd View Post
its not an apples to apples comparison in terms of performance and many of the big upcoming titles are RTX titles including cyberpunk.
we got your point, thanks
09-06-2019 12:30 AM
dantoddd
Quote: Originally Posted by magnek View Post
Never in the history of GPUs has this ever happened, (proprietary) features or not. No consumer is dumb enough to pay 50% more money just to get 17% less performance.
its not an apples to apples comparison in terms of performance and many of the big upcoming titles are RTX titles including cyberpunk.
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