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12-08-2019 08:47 PM
Veii
Quote: Originally Posted by Dimaggio1103 View Post
Veii first off thanks for the descriptive explanations. Members like you are the backbone of sites like these.

For my situation;
yes im using a 1700, i would love to abuse this beast for another year till ryzen 4th gen. Yes lol im in dual channel mode. Im seeing 3200 as a sweet spot for my gen, so maybe I should just be happy I have a good ram kit for my next CPU, but I like to push things to the max. Maybe I should just try for 3400 at cas 16 and be happy with it....

Ill try your above setings later today and post back. On a side note, any other suggestions for squeezing this setup to its max? bus OC? Ive got my cpu at 3.9Ghz at 1.4v but cant g higher cause of what i assume is this terrible vdroop im seeing..Im sure I could hit 4Ghz stable if I could solve that part....Sorry for my brain being all over the place.
I can only forward you to my signature
SiSoftware Sandra, Zenstates & Aida64 are your best friends for Ryzen ^^
3.8 with very high IPC is more worth then 3.9 or >4ghz
till 1.425v is fine but you're already hitting 210W on 1.375w 1.05v SOC
B350 Tomahawk hits 110c instantly without a tiny fan on the VRMs, taichi is toasty too but just fine
Honestly, i wait for asrock to release these dual bioses (1,2nd gen with a 2nd bios for the 3rd gen) where we get back access to all the CBS options and voltage controlls
1003ABBA runs well for first gen, but 1004B has soo many perf bugs
Tho i can't say much, as i'm still PC less since idk 5-6 weeks no work that can be done so far and no 3rd gen support from me

3466C14 is your max you can go
- if you check that SiSandra result of mine, it has timings attached
there is a possibility to get 3600 working, but it required me 1.175v SOC (minimum) which pushes that puppy to over 260W
Nothing air coolers can handle ^^'

Advice is:
go back to 3.8, try if you can get it AVX2 stable (OCCT medium dataset and linkpack extreme 20 rounds) at 1.32v with loadline 3 and LLC2 for SOC
you can go with 1.075v SOC LLC3 or 1.05 LLC 2
After your cpu is stable with (note it) 1.3 or 1.32/1.325v push Vcore to 1.375 at LLC3 , overall first check your lowest voltage for stable 3.8
Then once that is done and temps are under controll start to push ram - 3400 would need different tRFC of course then 3466
B-dies feel comfortable at over 1.42v , up to 1.46 (more is not needed for these timings)
CAD_BUS can stay 24-20-20-24 , it does still work well for 1st gen boards

RamOC usually needs 2 ticks over the lowest stable vCore
But too high vCore can make your AVX2 rendering unstable - soo test it before even mess with ram over 3400MT/s
12-08-2019 06:21 PM
jearly410 The soc voltage issue happened again with 5.99. Was <1.04v pre-overclocking. Post-overclocking it was ~1.2v.

Best change is only needing to press the arrow key once to go to the next line, instead of two presses as it was previously.
12-08-2019 04:01 PM
polkfan Something i noticed with our boards is DC fan voltage is a little bit weird you have to restart the machine when applying the profiles in DC mode for anything under 50%
12-08-2019 11:56 AM
polkfan
Quote: Originally Posted by cameronmc88 View Post
Hey all,

I've not been around in a while but I'm rocking the 3700X with BIOS 5.80 still, has the bios been fixed for boost clocks and stuff now? If so what BIOS should I run and what settings.
Also I heard 1usmus released some windows profile plans for better CPU core scheduling is this needed with the latest Chipset Drivers and Windows 10 update?
Please use the beta 5.99 Asrock even has it on their site now its perfect no worries the only issue is the same issue with every single montherboard from Amd and that is due to AGESA 1.0.0.4b being flawed. PBO is still broken you have to set EDC to 0 for it to even somewhat work but even then you will be losing a good 75-100mhz all core frequency compared to AGESA 1.0.0.3ABBA
12-08-2019 11:41 AM
Redwoodz
Quote: Originally Posted by PJVol View Post
Am i the only one who haven't been able to apply bios profiles from previous versions after uefi update? When i choose 'load user default' and select the profile i have saved before, uefi reports 'restored to XXXX' profile, but all settings stays unchanged(default in my case, as long as reset bios prioir to flashing)
PS: noticed somewhat lower scores with 5.99 (both CB R20mt and CPU-Z st/mt). What is essentially, ensured the ambient temp was the same as before. Thought i lost some uefi setting then, but as i said, failed to load them from old profile (unless get back to 5.95, try to apply profile and take screenshots of all the uefi menu tree)

If under post screen you mean that of with asrock logo, seems it takes somewhat longer to appear(placebo still possible in my case).

Um you are not supposed to do that. Profiles from previous bios only work with that bios. Sure you get away with it sometimes if the bios' are really close, but you could end up with a no boot if you don't go through all settings anyways.
12-08-2019 10:41 AM
Dimaggio1103
Quote: Originally Posted by Veii View Post
Just to clarify
You are trying that on the 1700 or on a 3rd gen ryzen ? ^^
You are sure, ram runs in dual channel mode and not in slot 1,3 ? - i know it sounds stupid but it's an important question
3200C14 is not easy to run , 3600C16 is easier
There where old kits which had 3200C16 timings pre-programmed, as it had to follow JDEC standarts and keep 1.35v
Try pushing 1.42v for 3200C14 , up to 1.46v - if you can't post even with 3200C16-16-16-16-32-48 (rest on auto)
- then either your bios is old, you cpu is not seated propperly, you run 2x single channel on some wrong placed ram config or the bios can't for whatever reason predict your timings

Please report back with a bit more information on what you've tried
3600 on first gen has a hit chance of 1/10 000 chips , IF even possible
Many good ones can get it to run , but it will instantly die on any memory test - your hard cap is normaly 3466C14 , which needs 1.42-1.46v for decent b-dies
* 3600C14 can be done, but it needs soo much finetuning - and an unlocked bios for propper AMD PBS and AMD CBS-DF common option IMC controll
Veii first off thanks for the descriptive explanations. Members like you are the backbone of sites like these.

For my situation;
yes im using a 1700, i would love to abuse this beast for another year till ryzen 4th gen. Yes lol im in dual channel mode. Im seeing 3200 as a sweet spot for my gen, so maybe I should just be happy I have a good ram kit for my next CPU, but I like to push things to the max. Maybe I should just try for 3400 at cas 16 and be happy with it....

Ill try your above setings later today and post back. On a side note, any other suggestions for squeezing this setup to its max? bus OC? Ive got my cpu at 3.9Ghz at 1.4v but cant g higher cause of what i assume is this terrible vdroop im seeing..Im sure I could hit 4Ghz stable if I could solve that part....Sorry for my brain being all over the place.
12-08-2019 05:46 AM
cameronmc88 Hey all,

I've not been around in a while but I'm rocking the 3700X with BIOS 5.80 still, has the bios been fixed for boost clocks and stuff now? If so what BIOS should I run and what settings.
Also I heard 1usmus released some windows profile plans for better CPU core scheduling is this needed with the latest Chipset Drivers and Windows 10 update?
12-07-2019 11:47 PM
polkfan
Quote: Originally Posted by PJVol View Post
Am i the only one who haven't been able to apply bios profiles from previous versions after uefi update? When i choose 'load user default' and select the profile i have saved before, uefi reports 'restored to XXXX' profile, but all settings stays unchanged(default in my case, as long as reset bios prioir to flashing)
PS: noticed somewhat lower scores with 5.99 (both CB R20mt and CPU-Z st/mt). What is essentially, ensured the ambient temp was the same as before. Thought i lost some uefi setting then, but as i said, failed to load them from old profile (unless get back to 5.95, try to apply profile and take screenshots of all the uefi menu tree)

If under post screen you mean that of with asrock logo, seems it takes somewhat longer to appear(placebo still possible in my case).
A lot of options have been moved and switched around i never even attempt to re-run my saved profiles with an update i always start fresh.
12-07-2019 11:46 PM
polkfan
Quote: Originally Posted by keikei View Post
Wow. What bios are you running? Also, would 4k gaming be improved if I were to attempt to get faster memory? My current ram speed is slightly above 3000. Thank you.
On the latest beta 5.99 with all the voltages actually working correctly! I notice you own a 1700 however but in that case memory makes a bigger difference then even on Zen 2. 4K gaming won't be as major of a difference with tuned memory BUT it will be their.

I'd get a good kit try for a 3200mhz 14 cas latency kit or 3600mhz 16 cas latency kit and one with decent timings not 16-19-19-42 or something like that.

14-14-14-28 kit
16-16-16-32 kit

Something like that and then run Thaiphoon burner see what memory components that you have example of this would be Samsung B-die or Hynix MFR. Next step run Ryzen calculator input all the right settings click on the fast profile and set all the timings and all the other settings even in the advanced page it will take 30min or less to do at first. Try for the highest speed first for Zen try 3600mhz i heard like 10% of users who can run that but most likely 3200-3466 will be the limit but still get the faster 3600 kit as you might upgrade later on and you can always lower timings even more at lower speed.

If you need help picking any memory or tweaking it just ask me or others here
12-07-2019 11:37 PM
Veii
Quote: Originally Posted by keikei View Post
Wow. What bios are you running? Also, would 4k gaming be improved if I were to attempt to get faster memory? My current ram speed is slightly above 3000. Thank you.
Yes and no
Most likely 10% yes , giving 20fps more for 4K ~ likely no
If 4K requires you high CPU usage, high FCLK will be beneficial - overall higher IPC will be beneficial
But a better cpu for example doesn't make the GPU better
Gaming again, is no special task - either it uses the resources or it doesn't ^^

Low latency is needed to skip some bottlenecks of the platform (up to cpu they are different)
Higher Speed = Bandwith, is beneficial for some task
But because Ryzen's memory controller is not locked and the architecture & the instruction sets (cache bandwith too) play a big connection with the memory controller
Yes, memory on the ryzen platform plays a very important role
Not only on memory intensive applications, as instructionset cache bandwith and so it's latency does scale
It does scale with CPU Frequency and does scale with latency of the memory controller
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