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02-18-2020 08:51 PM
Elrick
Quote: Originally Posted by SoFGR View Post
* G-Wolves

the scroll wheel is pretty good yes, overall build quality is very solid from my personal experience 0 rattle 0 flex - no issues so far

they sent me a stardust edition instead of the phantom one but it's ok

YES the Stardust edition is well worth using, nice quality for the money paid .

For myself, they beat any Zowie made junk hands down. A small company that actually makes decent gaming mice.
02-18-2020 07:39 AM
SoFGR
Quote: Originally Posted by Elrick View Post
If a new company like HATI can make mice that use decent scrollers, why is it that Zowie continually fails?

It's almost a crime against humanity issue in regards to using worst Zowie scroll wheels of all time, they get an award for that low achievement and it's floating in the Pool.....
* G-Wolves

the scroll wheel is pretty good yes, overall build quality is very solid from my personal experience 0 rattle 0 flex - no issues so far

they sent me a stardust edition instead of the phantom one but it's ok

02-12-2020 11:50 PM
Elrick
Quote: Originally Posted by Zammin View Post
I say this because any company other than Razer that uses the 3389 has to pay Razer a royalty fee for every 3389 they use. At least this is what the Razer OCN rep said in the Basilisk Wireless thread. I have no doubt that the cost will be passed on to the end user in this case.
Anyone who actually makes a mouse using their 3389 sensor, is well worth it.

They won't FORCE you to install Razer's Synapse Bloatware, just so you can use their product. That's a pure WIN in my books.

Have the current Max Gaming's HATI Limited Edition Stardust (has a very dark blue colour finish, not shown in the sale pics). It's really nice, the switches all work perfectly and their scroll wheel is another win. Something Zowie has continued to fail in implementing after many years.

Tried to use their current Blue FK2-B model, the switches are BRILLIANT but their scroll wheel is like a turd in the middle of a swimming pool. Just stinks and wonders all over the place without any definition.

If a new company like HATI can make mice that use decent scrollers, why is it that Zowie continually fails?

It's almost a crime against humanity issue in regards to using worst Zowie scroll wheels of all time, they get an award for that low achievement and it's floating in the Pool.....
02-12-2020 09:45 AM
prodkos i've been using g-wolf skoll (updated to latest firmware) for the last month, mostly with cs go and really like. Dont have any issues with tracking.
02-11-2020 01:37 PM
SoFGR is it really that floaty/laggy when compared to other 3360 / 3389 mice ? I just ordered a phantom bundle today ...


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02-02-2020 01:22 AM
bl4cklabel Can I check CPI Accuracy.Motion Delay? There is a gap in 3360/3389 implemented in many mice.
12-04-2019 07:58 PM
nlse
Quote: Originally Posted by e4stw00t View Post

That being said there is a difference between small and too small, in particular if your hand cramps you are probably better off with something else.
I had the same experience with the O-, trying out the regular O for some weeks before and concluding it was simply a bit too large (in particular too long) for me I hoped the O- would be the successor to my S2.
However it turned out way too narrow to the point where I needed to put extra force on the mouse to get a grip on it which after some time always made my hand cramp.

So back to the S2 it is/was! Currently have the XM1 on its way to me (couldn't resist trying it out at the 40 bucks price during BF).
Shape wise it should be competing with my S2 however I am skeptical when it comes to the coating as I have dry hands and usually struggle with anything but glossy mice (or mice that come with some pronounced rubber sides).
please tell us about the XM1 if you feel for it, when you have tried it in fps.

i wanted to try it, but don't like to buy a mouse and have to send it back all the time, its a bit of hassle as they dont like it. (they have demo-products for sale, so that may work)

a bit stuck with at the XM1 being too large or a medium-size.
what do you all think? is it too large


the model o- working still its just that the right side of the hand, isn't as comfortable, so its not a serious issue, still the fingers are not in a natural relaxed state

and you are right, the fk2 shape, model o- is too elongated. It works somehow okey with the model o- as its lighter and different in some ways.
the fk2 doesnt work at all, its a performance loss almost as bad as the G Pro Wireless and Hati.

what i've felt with the glossy S2 was that it was to circular around the back, heavy, and the mouse clicks were so light so it double clicked.
even think that if the buttons would't have been with so profound comfort grooves on the buttons, that it would have made it perform better


to be honest, all shapes that Zowie has is to me in the mices they have, the worst mouses on the market according to shape of most mice i've tried
really wonders what RocketJumpNinja talks about when he mention all of their shapes

its allright that people seem to like them, but i've not found anything good about them.

its cool that they have shapes with what they have got, still for performance as it is, none of them have been good performance wise
12-04-2019 05:20 AM
lurkerguy Got no issues at all with mousewheel on the newer batch Hati I got, they completely fixed the sideplay and it doesn't even have that wonky feel anymore when scrolling up- or downwards for 1 or 2 steps at a time, much smoother now, very weird how they even had the mousewheel so loose in the original version when it supposedly wasn't in pre-production samples

They also changed TTC Golden switches in M1 and M2 back to Chinese Omrons (I liked Golden switches more but Omrons might be better for this mouse since the Golden switches felt awkward in post-travel which doesn't occur with Omrons) and Huanos used in other buttons to switches that are a bit tougher to activate (Kailh for M4 and M5 and YSA for M3, switch for DPI button was changed too)

Another minor tweak is that there is less cable inside the mouse now which should lose a little weight, around 1g

Overall feels more solid now but I really hoped they would have addressed sideplay and post-travel in M1 and M2 too but they were left untouched unfortunately
12-04-2019 04:37 AM
e4stw00t
Quote: Originally Posted by nlse View Post
like RocketJumpNinja says a smaller mouse(compared to the handsize), with the mouse-buttons closer to surface
and to me the fk2 shape is to oblong, still in Model O-, the hand cramps in the fingers but still it does the job.
Personally I agree with RJN on that one - for me it's much easier/more natural to flick the mouse around if it's more on the smaller side relative to my hand size. I have 18.5 x 10 cm hands and my favorite shape is the S2, I tried multiple of the newer, light weight mice but usually go back to the S2 after some time.
Just fits me as a glove.

That being said there is a difference between small and too small, in particular if your hand cramps you are probably better off with something else.
I had the same experience with the O-, trying out the regular O for some weeks before and concluding it was simply a bit too large (in particular too long) for me I hoped the O- would be the successor to my S2.
However it turned out way too narrow to the point where I needed to put extra force on the mouse to get a grip on it which after some time always made my hand cramp.

So back to the S2 it is/was! Currently have the XM1 on its way to me (couldn't resist trying it out at the 40 bucks price during BF).
Shape wise it should be competing with my S2 however I am skeptical when it comes to the coating as I have dry hands and usually struggle with anything but glossy mice (or mice that come with some pronounced rubber sides).
12-01-2019 07:24 PM
nlse the G-Wolves Hati Rubber variants, if someone wonders how the coating feels: its a bit like a matte mouse coating, light to the touch, sleek finish

thought it would be much grippier, but its almost like a matte finish, that is quite smooth


on the copy, which is supposed the new batch with the rubber variants:

Quote: Originally Posted by gene-z View Post
[*] Scroll wheel feels and sounds like you're grinding on something when scrolling up. Definitely feels like something is up with it
still some grind, feels a bit loose, but doesn't move right - left, on the scroll-wheel

the wobble on the buttons are very minimal, a touch of wobble, a minimal slide

the mouse-feet are scratching and very thin, so would be good to get something better.

still you get a under cover-sticker
and a middle mouse-feet (quite large, so it fills out the whole area between the mouse feet) that you can add on between the each pair, on the top and bottom.



the thing that to me is the worst is that the shape, in more demanding fps-games
makes it much harder to be more precise and is much clumsier because of the larger size with flares.

tried the Logitech G Pro and with a similar shape
and it seems the shape is similar the shape is like some has said, you can grip it some different ways, but it feels like you just want to loose up the hand, it doesn't give you the ability to be
precise as with the Model O-, that from the FK2 shape, that i actually doesn't like
but with Glorious changes with the weight, smaller, size and glossy, cable and scroll-wheel, mouse-feet many things, at least its does make you aim much better.

like RocketJumpNinja says a smaller mouse(compared to the handsize), with the mouse-buttons closer to surface
and to me the fk2 shape is to oblong, still in Model O-, the hand cramps in the fingers but still it does the job.


does anyone feel that you also aim worse with the Hati in games, and play worse because of worse performance of the shape and larger size of the mouse?
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