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12-09-2019 08:03 AM
KyadCK
Quote: Originally Posted by Fifth Horseman View Post
I was shocked to see that there is almost an entire ghz difference between the comet lake i7's and the new ice lake chips. According to the benches they actually come in a little bit behind the older chips. The IPC increase is helping them stay competitive, but other than the graphics increase it is by all accounts and inferior product compared to the previous line, even the power consumption is the about the same.

When I saw that i knew they were having problems with the entire process.


What i do not get is why they are wasting so much die and power on the graphics portion the increase while impressive, doesn't bring anything new to the table that the old chips didnt already. The old chips worked just fine for high res multi monitor support so do the new chips and that is all they can do.
A few reasons I can think of;
  • Intel's iGPUs are now good enough on the higher end chips to at least do some esports titles.
  • The GPUs need to be updated to support newer codecs anyway.
  • The GPU needs to be stronger for apps like Photoshop, where much of the work can be offloaded to the GPU these days.
  • Intel knows they need to get their iGPU performance competitive before AMD destroys them in the laptop space too.
  • Intel needs to get a reputation for their GPUs being anything but trash before they launch their dGPUs, or else they will face the same stigma AMD did with the HD4000 series.
12-07-2019 01:39 PM
Fifth Horseman I was shocked to see that there is almost an entire ghz difference between the comet lake i7's and the new ice lake chips. According to the benches they actually come in a little bit behind the older chips. The IPC increase is helping them stay competitive, but other than the graphics increase it is by all accounts and inferior product compared to the previous line, even the power consumption is the about the same.

When I saw that i knew they were having problems with the entire process.


What i do not get is why they are wasting so much die and power on the graphics portion the increase while impressive, doesn't bring anything new to the table that the old chips didnt already. The old chips worked just fine for high res multi monitor support so do the new chips and that is all they can do.
12-06-2019 03:21 PM
rluker5 Just so this doesn't seem too pie in the sky and could never be realized, my daughter somehow wrecked the micro usb charge port on her phone, the middle tongue on the female end in the phone.
I got her a refurbished iPhone and thought I would take a peek at the uncommon processor in her old phone.
It was the 8 core Airmont Spreadtrum sc9853i and I can confirm that it did run cool, at near flagship arm performance and didn't get hot and had ok battery life. Looking at it reminded me of the Tremont board.

I don't think you would notice a performance deficit running android with flagship arm vs Tremont. x86-64 would probably run faster with a chip made for it though.

Edit: I suppose this doesn't count as desktop though, and people like their app stores. And Bluestacks can be a resource hog. So maybe just better battery life.
12-06-2019 03:11 PM
rluker5 At least some of Intel's processors are getting low powered enough to run without a cooler. Like this board pic from here: https://www.cnx-software.com/2019/10...rid-processor/

This might be the board from the Surface Neo since it is the only product that says it will have Tremont so far.
12-03-2019 03:29 AM
Imouto They better think of having someone else make their discrete GPUs too.
12-02-2019 09:31 PM
m4fox90
Quote: Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer View Post
Intel didn't announce anything: https://www.techpowerup.com/261641/s...der-from-intel



Just another rumor just like the OP.

Intel already responded saying that is inaccurate.
It's pretty funny that you still think anything Intel says should be taken seriously.
12-02-2019 01:48 PM
skupples Samsung making intel CPUs? lol.

maybe arms or ic.
12-02-2019 01:22 PM
jtom320 Honestly Intel has more runway to burn then just about any.

The astounding thing really isn't AMD. It's TSMC and their ability to churn out these nodes. That used to be entirely the domain of Intel. I mean they were really pushing things forward for quite a long time on their own and everyone else was catching up.

I don't say this to downplay AMD. I have a 3900x in my own system but TSMC has been the key to AMD's success.
12-01-2019 05:54 PM
WannaBeOCer
Quote: Originally Posted by Redwoodz View Post
Intel just announced they will be using Samsung fab for their future 7nm/10nm desktop parts, so if you still think Intel's 10nm process will ever see a desktop think again.
Intel didn't announce anything: https://www.techpowerup.com/261641/s...der-from-intel

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Samsung has reportedly secured a "PC CPU" manufacturing order from Intel.
Just another rumor just like the OP.

Intel already responded saying that is inaccurate.

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The letter from last week says we will increase our use of foundry so we can build more CPUs at Intel. The news reports about our use of third party foundries for CPUs are inaccurate.
12-01-2019 12:09 AM
Redwoodz Intel just announced they will be using Samsung fab for their future 7nm/10nm desktop parts, so if you still think Intel's 10nm process will ever see a desktop think again.
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