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12-06-2019 11:24 AM
nangu
Quote: Originally Posted by Frietkot Louis View Post
I am running F10 after running F10c/F10d for a long time, and I still get the impression that EDC=0 works best for me. What value did you set for EDC ?

F10 seemed to be a little downgrade in clocks compared to F10c/F10d , but it's okay.

Hi, thanks for your feedback. I tried several values, 160,180 and 200 and I can see them applied so I think it's working. Also, on F10d before, performance was hindered a lot and constrained by the EDC bug when enabling PBO on Auto. Now it's working Ok too.

About clock downgrade, I suffer from that since the first F10a Agesa 1.0.0.4 revision, so F10 final is the same as any previous F10 version for my system regarding lower clocks and lower benchmark numbers.
12-06-2019 09:43 AM
Frietkot Louis
Quote: Originally Posted by rastaviper View Post
Would you recommend the same settings for a 3600x on an Elite?
Whenever I put anything then stock BCLK, my pc starts with a windows repair mode.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
Stay off BCLK (or anything other) if it causes you trouble. Apparantly the elite handles that badly according to other posts. On the master it works fine for me up until ~102Mhz
12-06-2019 09:39 AM
Frietkot Louis
Quote: Originally Posted by Cidious View Post

It's always nice to have a brand matching system and one software set. MSI software is GARBAGE. I like the system tool that gigabyte has for adjusting fans etc. MSI can not save the settings on boot it's practically useless. So that's why I'm not very convinced about the Unify yet. Although I'm super impressed with the hardware quality of my Mortar MAX.
Well, GIGABYTE windows software can't really be much better than MSI's I've played around with it and it has no added value for me, and does strange things like put one core on 100% etc.

I do my fan stuff in BIOS and I couldn't care less about RGB, that default rainbow stuff on my DRAM is the one I prefer anyway

If I get a second board next year for Ryzen I'll probably take an MSI since the BIOS seems cool and I want two vendors to test/choose the best one to deploy my VMWARE ESXi server next year.
12-06-2019 09:32 AM
rastaviper
Quote: Originally Posted by Waltc View Post
Yes, and I recommend everyone do this... They should only remember to disable Spread Spectrum before they advance the BCLK, because the Spread Spectrum option disappears once bclk is moved off of auto (for some reason, as the disable setting stays--so it might automatically disable when BCLK is advanced.


I still don't understand the Cool'n Quiet bios function, though... I have noticed that performance drops a bit when I disable it, though--which seems sort of odd. The CPU does C'nQ on its own without the need for the external program that was used for the FX processors.
Would you recommend the same settings for a 3600x on an Elite?
Whenever I put anything then stock BCLK, my pc starts with a windows repair mode.

Sent from my ONEPLUS A6003 using Tapatalk
12-06-2019 09:32 AM
Frietkot Louis
Quote: Originally Posted by nangu View Post
Hi, F10 Bios version seems has solved the EDC bug on my Master. I can set any value and I can see it applied in Ryzen Master, and I can see PBO working as expected without the need to set EDC=0 in Bios.

Can anyone confirm that?

Thanks.
I am running F10 after running F10c/F10d for a long time, and I still get the impression that EDC=0 works best for me. What value did you set for EDC ?

F10 seemed to be a little downgrade in clocks compared to F10c/F10d , but it's okay.
12-06-2019 09:21 AM
rastaviper
Quote: Originally Posted by Boorock View Post
Guys, I'm planning to use F4-3600C15D-16GTZ RAM with a 3800X on a Gigabyte Aorus Master X570 but can't find it in the QVL and RAM configurator at G.SKILL site (G.SKILL advised it only for Intel Z270-Z370 boards)

https://www.gskill.com/product/165/1...35V16GB-(2x8GB)



Do you have any experience with this F4-3600C15D-16GTZ RAM?

Is the system stable, any problems ?

I'll be very glad to hear your thoughts, experience with F4-3600C15D-16GTZ on Aorus Master X570 + 3800X ?

Thanks...
I have the same 3200kit with a x570 ELITE with a 3600x.
Great results at 3733mhz 16-15-15

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12-06-2019 09:18 AM
nangu Hi, F10 Bios version seems has solved the EDC bug on my Master. I can set any value and I can see it applied in Ryzen Master, and I can see PBO working as expected without the need to set EDC=0 in Bios.

Can anyone confirm that?

Thanks.
12-06-2019 09:10 AM
Sphex_
Quote: Originally Posted by Medizinmann View Post
Because of the infamous PBO-Bug you must set EDC to 0 - you can and should set PPT & TDC to motherboards max.(depends on your board). Set hyperscalar to 10x and use a negative offset for CPU core voltage between -0,09V to -0,10V for best results with PBO.
Also set BCLK to 100,2-101,0 MHz as this helps a lot with BOOST and shouldn’t stress all other components to much. With these settings my 3900x boosts up to 4,7GHz on my Aorus Xtreme with Waterloop that is…

Hopefully the PBO-Bug will be corrected with next AGESA...

Greetings,
Medizinmann
Thanks for the tips bro. I gave these a shot this morning and here are my findings:

  • Keeping EDC at 0 seems to work. I set PPT & TDC to the stock 3800X values. They never max out anyways, and EDC, which I can't change anyway, tops out when running Cinebench, so...
  • PBO + Auto OC with PPT and TDC raised works and the CPU voltage works properly. Because of this, the CPU also boosts properly.
  • I'm not sure Scalar does anything, 10X hasn't made a difference, but I'll keep it there.
  • Setting a negative voltage offset of even .012V adversely effected boost clocks, so I'm keeping VCORE on Auto. All cores hit 1.5V like they should.
  • I can't fine tune the BCLK on my X570 Aorus Elite motherboard. It only increases in 1 MHz increments. I tried 101 MHz and SATA devices stopped being detected by the BIOS. So that's out.
  • Boost Clocks while gaming are 25-50 MHz higher on average, which is nice.
Overall, it looks like all I've been able to do is raise some of the power limits. Thanks for the tip about the EDC value. I had read in the past that it was bugged and setting it to 0 would fix the issue but I misinterpreted what I was reading and thought that setting it to 0, rebooting, then setting it to the value of my choice would then apply and function properly. This is obviously not the case. With all cores reaching 4400 MHz or above, I can't really expect too much more out of it, so I'm happy with the settings I have now.
12-06-2019 08:21 AM
Waltc
Quote: Originally Posted by Frietkot Louis View Post
Ahh I forgot about BCLK fine tuning.... It was stable until about 102Mhz on my board but set it back to normal 100/spread sprectum disable months ago and didn't bother anymore.

Have set it to 101,08 since that's about 50Mhz more for the higher clocks, boost up to 4650 instead of 4600 and other clocks also 40-50 Mhz higher, even on all core load.

Seems to be stable, running my regular stability tests in the background as we speak

Yes, and I recommend everyone do this... They should only remember to disable Spread Spectrum before they advance the BCLK, because the Spread Spectrum option disappears once bclk is moved off of auto (for some reason, as the disable setting stays--so it might automatically disable when BCLK is advanced.


I still don't understand the Cool'n Quiet bios function, though... I have noticed that performance drops a bit when I disable it, though--which seems sort of odd. The CPU does C'nQ on its own without the need for the external program that was used for the FX processors.
12-06-2019 05:40 AM
Soeski
Quote: Originally Posted by Medizinmann View Post
Yes, these settings aren't the best for very good efficiency or particular good temps…these are good for max. performance with (very) good cooling(i.e. in my case Waterloop with 360+240+120 Rads with 12 Noctua-Fans in push+pull-config + 140mm Noctua case fan + 2 pumps)…

I get CPU-Z single core 557 and 8660 Multi - CB20 Multi 7540. CPU Boosts up to 4,7GHz.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/11-a...l#post28223098

Greetings,
Medizinmann
Cooling wise I'm fine as well, but the CPU will immediately go up to 70+ when I press start in CB15/CB20 all core. Nothing to be done about that, even when my cooling is set to the max. The water temp will not even reach 30C. Still, that will cost performance. Everything above 50C will cost performance on a 3900X.

I have not tried increasing the base clock speed though. That would explain why some people reach 4650/4700. I did however reach 4625 with a standaard 100MHz clock once; never saw that again though (I think with older AGESA).
Also now only one core will ever reach 4600MHz on my end, the rest is stuck at 4575MHz or lower. Still not unhappy. CPU-Z single core I can reach 548 and Multi about 8300. Will try the baseclock to see if there is more to gain while keeping the temps under control.
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