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04-08-2020 05:27 AM
ManniX-ITA
Quote: Originally Posted by pschorr1123 View Post
New AMD Chipset drivers are available: https://www.amd.com/en/support/chips...ocket-am4/x570
Thanks for the heads up!

Not fixing the SATA performances bug sadly.
04-08-2020 04:51 AM
pschorr1123 New AMD Chipset drivers are available: https://www.amd.com/en/support/chips...ocket-am4/x570
04-08-2020 01:10 AM
ManniX-ITA
Quote: Originally Posted by Cidious View Post
Hey guys. It has been a while since I have posted here Since I currently use my MSI Unify as my main rig and tinker setup. But there is a widespread X570 issue with SATA performance compared to B450 and other chipsets. This has nothing to do with the ASMedia controller. This is purely related to the SATA ports coming from the X570 chipset.

It's hurting all X570 boards mostly Random 4K performance.

I've wrote a piece about it here on reddit. The testing is far from conclusive since I had to stitch data together from leftover benchmarks to make it a whole. My B450 board is locked away in the office until quarantine is over but I wanted to make a start. please forgive me for that. The replies confirm the situation though. Please have a look if you're interested. No AMD or brand hate. Just curious for what's causing it and how to solve it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...0_compared_to/

Between B450 and X570 there is a sharp difference visible and between X570 Unify and X570 Aorus Pro Wifi the Aorus does slightly better but the same bottleneck can be noted.
Oh damn same results... always had the feeling the SATA drives were running slower than on the previous Z87 but never really looked into it.
I use Primocache so my issue is largely mitigated.



Write and randoms are limited more or less at the same level of your 860 EVO and this is a sh*y 860 QVO.
04-07-2020 11:14 PM
Cidious Hey guys. It has been a while since I have posted here Since I currently use my MSI Unify as my main rig and tinker setup. But there is a widespread X570 issue with SATA performance compared to B450 and other chipsets. This has nothing to do with the ASMedia controller. This is purely related to the SATA ports coming from the X570 chipset.

It's hurting all X570 boards mostly Random 4K performance.

I've wrote a piece about it here on reddit. The testing is far from conclusive since I had to stitch data together from leftover benchmarks to make it a whole. My B450 board is locked away in the office until quarantine is over but I wanted to make a start. please forgive me for that. The replies confirm the situation though. Please have a look if you're interested. No AMD or brand hate. Just curious for what's causing it and how to solve it.

https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...0_compared_to/

Between B450 and X570 there is a sharp difference visible and between X570 Unify and X570 Aorus Pro Wifi the Aorus does slightly better but the same bottleneck can be noted.
04-07-2020 10:23 PM
ManniX-ITA
Quote: Originally Posted by meridius View Post
do you think its the noctua fans causing this ? does any otehr person have this problem with different fans.

also what power settings are you usign in windows 10 amd ballanced or high performance.

cheers
I use Ryzen Balanced with some modifications as a base power plan; I have Process Lasso so it switches automatically for games and other specific programs based on Regex rules to the Ultimate Power plan.

It could be caused by the Noctua fans; they have become quite arrogant with time sadly. Used to love Noctua but now they are more trouble than joy.
Still have an NH-D14 from 10 years ago and love it like a baby but I'm not going for any new product from them.

Look at this picture:


This fan is sucking an astounding 8.1 A to start and it's rated 0.08 A, it's terrible.

On the recent fans they use a non standard (and probably cheap) PWM controller:
https://forum.aquacomputer.de/weiter...em/index3.html

Which is the main cause for this kind of issues.

I'm using Arctic F14/P120 fans now and they are incredibly cheap, quiet and powerful; superior in every aspects.
If you need LEDs and are willing to spend some serious money the Cooler Master fans are the best.
Both companies wouldn't have give a dime for fans 10 years ago, go figure.
04-07-2020 01:35 PM
meridius
Quote: Originally Posted by ManniX-ITA View Post
It's the "deep standby" enabler, once it's off the power consumption is below 1 Watt.
But it will disable all the wake timers; Wake On Lan, by time, etc



There is hysteresis for the fans; it's limited to 3 degrees. Usually works but there are some people with Noctua fans especially reporting these spikes.
I think you can manually modify the curve in the BIOS (not 100% sure); I'm pretty happy with the Normal for the CPU and Silent for the rest. I change too often profile to mess with the fans setup.

The temps seems right to me; my 3800x is idling browsing at 40-45 right now. Full max load with AVX is 78 degrees.

I use Process Lasso; it switches between the Ryzen Balanced (which I modified from default with Min CPU usage at 0% and No PCI-e Link State PM) for normal usage to the Ultimate Power plan for games and specific applications.
do you think its the noctua fans causing this ? does any otehr person have this problem with different fans.

also what power settings are you usign in windows 10 amd ballanced or high performance.

cheers
04-07-2020 10:51 AM
joker_95
Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
Hmmm. Interesting.
Does this ever happen with FIXED voltage or only with random offsets? (or changing from offset to fixed or fixed to offset?)

The GB Z390 boards had some bug where DVID mode changing was not working correctly in some situations (especially when changing from fixed to offset, etc) unless you rebooted twice, or changing from offset to fixed would cause overvoltage or the offset applied on top of the fixed, or the fixed profile loadline calibration applied while still in offset mode, until you rebooted a 2nd time (not sure exactly which). These bugs existed since release and were only fixed in the very latest beta bios, after I was fortunate enough to contact an engineer and they were able to reproduce it, I tested it and the latest Master bios fixed it (still not available on the official pages, only on the tweaktown beta bios forum).

A bug where changing from the "default" fixed voltage (1.20v) to auto or DVID still doesn't work at all. Only happens if vcore is set to the "default" as a fixed override value (1.20v). Doesn't happen at any other fixed value (e.g. 1.205v, 1.195v, etc)

May be partially related to your issue. Try to avoid setting a fixed voltage to what the BIOS says is the 'default' and then changing voltage modes from that value. I don't know AMD hardware so I'm probably way out in space here. Sorry.
I believe this went away after a couple BIOS upgrades, it happened with earlier BIOS versions.
I tried to undervolt a little, saw it wasn't working, and happened to run into 2 guys discussing the same issue on some other forum (sorry, can't remember the name).
In the end I managed Default/Offset: -0.062 (instead of the BIOS default of "Auto").
After I applied the suggestion to reboot twice, I could finally see the values I was expecting in HW and Ryzen Master, and was able to finally test the changes properly.
04-07-2020 09:36 AM
pschorr1123
Quote: Originally Posted by MyUsername View Post
Battery drain since July, I'm not concerned. I shut down my pc every night, left on at the wall.

I actually freaked when I saw this, so I bought some Grizzly thermal pads off AMZN and dissected and replaced all the pads on my motherboard. I had to scrape the pad off the soc, totally ruined.
I see battery drain since July, I thought it happened when you were testing the stock cooler, my bad.

Yeah, the pad situation didn't sit right with me either...
04-07-2020 07:54 AM
MyUsername
Quote: Originally Posted by pschorr1123 View Post

You said that you did notice battery drain do you think the drain could have been more significant if left over night? Is there any chance that there is some voltage drop to the capacitor or whatever keeps the bios settings stored and is causing some corruption which then leads to boot issues? I'm wondering what could be causing the battery drain?

I posted an image awhile back from replacing the thermal pad on the chipset. It shows some liquid crap that oozed out of the thermal pads used under the vrms and back-plate. If it were conductive my board would have fried long ago but I'm wondering if that could cause some type short or other issues if it pooled over the battery contacts. IDK, maybe I'm over thinking it due to boredom
Battery drain since July, I'm not concerned. I shut down my pc every night, left on at the wall.

I actually freaked when I saw this, so I bought some Grizzly thermal pads off AMZN and dissected and replaced all the pads on my motherboard. I had to scrape the pad off the soc, totally ruined.
04-07-2020 07:36 AM
ManniX-ITA
Quote: Originally Posted by MyUsername View Post
Early bios versions F4-F5 I had random bios resets even on default settings, later versions it stopped. It may be I figured it out and it was soc/if vddp voltage related, it was a learning curve coming from an intel 6700k. I meant switches and was thinking jumpers, I was intoxicated my bad.

Yeah suppose so, they are Chinese batteries after all lol

I was testing the problem while the pc was off and testing how much power it needs to start working, the fan works as expected. I highly doubt the fan draws enough current even at 100% to cause instability on cold boots. I don't know about others but my pc has 11 fans to start, no RGB and it starts just fine. For the fan to drain the cmos battery is impossible. I can't detect any issues with this board and think it's a cracking MB.
Ok got it; I also had random bios resets due to soc/vddp/vddg settings.
Steep learning curve for me too coming from an i4770k...

But the issue about the cold boot issue they reported is different.
From what I understood it only comes up when the PC has been off for some time.
This should exclude any kind of peak load at boot.

Fingers crossed, for me too so far so good.
On the hardware side, I'm just really disappointed about the thermal pad on the SOC, complete rubbish.
And seems also the pads on the back plate are going to be an issue.
But the VRM part is really top notch and in the same price range I don't think there's anything that can come even close.
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