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01-20-2020 04:46 PM
Falkentyne
Quote: Originally Posted by Almog Dahan View Post
Is it accurate? Vr vout reports 1.201 average after 30min in realbench with 0 errors in hwinfo 1.225v in bios LLC extreme https://imgur.com/a/WHWcISY
What is accurate? What are you talking about?

LLC Extreme just hurts stability. Although it's better than using LLC Extreme @ 500 khz, which would just probably BSOD you instead.
You would be more stable with LLC: High, Bios voltage 1.30v, than LLC Extreme, Bios voltage 1.225v (I've tested this).
You're also hiding a bunch of information. Did you reduce your cache ratio like I asked you to? You had it at 48 (too high) before. Cache being closer than -3 requires a substantial vcore increase.

Also, running realbench 2.56 has absolutely NOTHING to do with Apex legends. Apex is one of those games that will cause CPU Parity Errors if you are the least bit unstable, even though the load (current) and temps are half that of Realbench. I was doing a lot of testing for Oriostorm (the Apex programmer; he even gave me credit in one of the patch notes). You can pass realbench 2.56 at a much lower load voltage than what would crash Apex Legends.
01-20-2020 04:44 PM
Grizzly111
Quote: Originally Posted by reachthesky View Post
System just turned off and on randomly while typing here with the 5ghz profile on 2133 ram. Do I need to turn on power loading? This can't possibly be vcore related right? Like I just did multiple occt runs with no errors.

Mine has powered off randomly whilst surfing the net also. Gaming is fine.
01-20-2020 04:27 PM
Almog Dahan
Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by Almog Dahan View Post
Yes, I have up to 1.3v which is getting out of what i feel comfortable with.



VRM switching frequency is 300khz
I just refuse to go that high with the vcore and settle down with a below average CPU that i rather return than use. I'm sorry if i sound bad or anything but i paid a little over 700$ to be able to OC at a lower voltage than a normal i9 9900k can. I'm not really hoping for any crazy values either like 5.2 or 5.3. Also don't get me wrong I do appreciate every single person who helped me so far.
Oh I just looked at your BIOS.
No wonder your games are crashing.
You have your cache ratio too high.

You also have your protections set to a very low level. Something like Cinebench R20 could easily cause your system to shutoff. Your VRM protection is below 138 amps.
No idea if this is affecting transients either, but I did test these settings once at 4.7 ghz. Instant power off during a prime95 stress test.

Set your cache ratio to x43. Set VRM current protection to extreme (not normal). Set VAXG protection to extreme.
Set VAXG switching frequency to 300 khz (doesn't hurt). Try Apex Legends now.

If no Internal Parity Errors, reduce bios voltage to 1.280v and test again.
If still no errors in Apex Legends, raise your cache multiplier to 47. Not higher. If 1.280v with x47 multiplier causes issues, then try 1.30v and x47.
If this fails, RMA the CPU as **DEFECTIVE**.

x48 cache requires enough vcore to run x51 core multiplier, which is going to be up to 1.32-1.350v bios.
Is it accurate? Vr vout reports 1.201 average after 30min in realbench with 0 errors in hwinfo 1.225v in bios LLC extreme https://imgur.com/a/WHWcISY
01-20-2020 10:18 AM
GeneO
Quote: Originally Posted by reachthesky View Post
Yeah its funny how it works.

I buy AMD, it doesn't work as advertised, they say don't buy the cheap stuff.
I buy Intel, spend three thousand dollars of my life savings cash on a full build, I receive a second rate chip.

"but its the silicon lottery"

I come to find out intel was stashing all the good R0 chips to be sold as 9900KS chips.

2+2 tells me that the silicon lottery was fixed for the 9900 R0 chips.



I can't ******* win. And then they want me to spend more for a KS. Like, I got ripped off, why would I even want to give you any more money ever lol.

But yeah, You should return that thing right away. That's a piss poor excuse for "top quality silicon". Consider returning everything if possible and go AMD instead.

IMO all the K chips should be cherry picked to a high level leaving the mediocre ones for non-K duty. These special runs are just BS more $$$. But people pay it so it goes on. Not to mention having a different socket and hence motherboard pretty much every generation. If a motherboard dies, then you are stuck buying new everything. I think next round I will have to give AMD a shot.
01-20-2020 08:15 AM
Falkentyne
Quote: Originally Posted by Almog Dahan View Post
Yes, I have up to 1.3v which is getting out of what i feel comfortable with.



VRM switching frequency is 300khz
I just refuse to go that high with the vcore and settle down with a below average CPU that i rather return than use. I'm sorry if i sound bad or anything but i paid a little over 700$ to be able to OC at a lower voltage than a normal i9 9900k can. I'm not really hoping for any crazy values either like 5.2 or 5.3. Also don't get me wrong I do appreciate every single person who helped me so far.
Oh I just looked at your BIOS.
No wonder your games are crashing.
You have your cache ratio too high.

You also have your protections set to a very low level. Something like Cinebench R20 could easily cause your system to shutoff. Your VRM protection is below 138 amps.
No idea if this is affecting transients either, but I did test these settings once at 4.7 ghz. Instant power off during a prime95 stress test.

Set your cache ratio to x43. Set VRM current protection to extreme (not normal). Set VAXG protection to extreme.
Set VAXG switching frequency to 300 khz (doesn't hurt). Try Apex Legends now.

If no Internal Parity Errors, reduce bios voltage to 1.280v and test again.
If still no errors in Apex Legends, raise your cache multiplier to 47. Not higher. If 1.280v with x47 multiplier causes issues, then try 1.30v and x47.
If this fails, RMA the CPU as **DEFECTIVE**.

x48 cache requires enough vcore to run x51 core multiplier, which is going to be up to 1.32-1.350v bios.
01-20-2020 07:18 AM
reachthesky System just turned off and on randomly while typing here with the 5ghz profile on 2133 ram. Do I need to turn on power loading? This can't possibly be vcore related right? Like I just did multiple occt runs with no errors.
01-20-2020 07:12 AM
AndrejB
Quote: Originally Posted by reachthesky View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by AndrejB View Post
Wow that's a lot... That's like my first p0 chip, was getting 1.254 or something. Currently mine p0 is at 1.212v

Wanna trade gpus for cpus 😛
Got a crap strix with micron mem
Don't let my GPU fool you, sure I can get 2145 on the core and 8000 on the memory, but the card never maintains the full boost. Apparently a 240 aio isn't good enough to keep the card cool enough to maintain max boost, Why is gigabyte pairing a 240mm aio with this card if it doesn't do the job properly? Should have been a 360mm aio. There is so much wrong with this industry it ******* angers me to no end. I think i'm just going to spend my free time calling out vendors for their bull**** on their own public outlets.
Still a bit jealous... I can barely get 2050 and 7500 on my piece of crap (and that's with a high tdp bios...)
01-20-2020 07:05 AM
reachthesky
Quote: Originally Posted by AndrejB View Post
Wow that's a lot... That's like my first p0 chip, was getting 1.254 or something. Currently mine p0 is at 1.212v

Wanna trade gpus for cpus 😛
Got a crap strix with micron mem
Don't let my GPU fool you, sure I can get 2145 on the core and 8000 on the memory, but the card never maintains the full boost. Apparently a 240 aio isn't good enough to keep the card cool enough to maintain max boost, Why is gigabyte pairing a 240mm aio with this card if it doesn't do the job properly? Should have been a 360mm aio. There is so much wrong with this industry it ******* angers me to no end. I think i'm just going to spend my free time calling out vendors for their bull**** on their own public outlets.
01-20-2020 07:03 AM
AndrejB
Quote: Originally Posted by reachthesky View Post
Quote: Originally Posted by AndrejB View Post
@reachthesky what is your default voltage? For instance, after psu off, clear cmos, then when go back into the bios, what's your cpu voltage?

Bios shows cpu voltage at 1.260v with the cpu @ 4.7ghz after clearing the cmos. That's literally with everything left on auto and not touching anything after a cmos clear.
Wow that's a lot... That's like my first p0 chip, was getting 1.254 or something. Currently mine p0 is at 1.212v

Wanna trade gpus for cpus 😛
Got a crap strix with micron mem
01-20-2020 06:56 AM
reachthesky
Quote: Originally Posted by AndrejB View Post
@reachthesky what is your default voltage? For instance, after psu off, clear cmos, then when go back into the bios, what's your cpu voltage?

Bios shows cpu voltage at 1.260v with the cpu @ 4.7ghz after clearing the cmos. That's literally with everything left on auto and not touching anything after a cmos clear.

If you take a look at hwinfo64 in the 5ghz xmp OCCT screenshot, you'll see that vcore requested is 1.44v before droop lol. This chip requires 1.44v before vdroop to run a cl17 4000 basic xmp profile in order to be OCCT large avx stable at 5ghz. I don't even want to know what it takes to be p95 small ffts avx stable. Why was this chip even in the 9900K chip pool? It barely even overclocks lol. This should have been binned and sold as a 9900 non-k chip.
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