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12-23-2019 05:08 PM
Elrick
Quote: Originally Posted by sephir69 View Post
Just received my copy and I must say it feels like a premium mouse.
First Class all the way. Even beats all of Logitech's junk ware .

Quote: Originally Posted by sephir69 View Post
Shape is extremely comfortable for me. Side button placement, clicks, and scroll wheel are all amazing.
Yep it's the Ergo King here on OCN central. Nothing comes close to fitting your Right hand perfectly than this latest model.

Quote: Originally Posted by sephir69 View Post
It's a bit heavy compared to all the new super light weight mice but I just raise my sens a bit and it's fine.
Correct with all of the latest Final Mouse models and others releasing super-light products this item is for those that value comfort above all else. Because I'm use to using a G5 this model isn't that heavy at all compared to older releases.

Quote: Originally Posted by sephir69 View Post
I'd like to see this mouse in multiple sizes like the fk series.
Would also like to see a Spawn re-release sporting Roccat's latest sensor series. It would annihilate all other mice if that ever happens.
12-22-2019 01:47 PM
sephir69 Just received my copy and I must say it feels like a premium mouse. Build quality feels a level above the rest. Shape is extremely comfortable for me. Side button placement, clicks, and scroll wheel are all amazing. It's a bit heavy compared to all the new super light weight mice but I just raise my sens a bit and it's fine.

I'd like to see this mouse in multiple sizes like the fk series.
12-22-2019 07:42 AM
t3ram Thanks for your detailed answer, i think the mouse was designed to complex with 3 PCBs inside :/ and drilling holes in the shell isnt an option for me
12-21-2019 06:18 PM
Zammin
Quote: Originally Posted by t3ram View Post
My Kain stays in the drawer because i cant get used to the weight after using all this lightweight mice,otherwise it is one of the best mice out there. Did someone already try to shave of some weight from it?
I've had a look into that as I found it a bit heavy too. There are pics of the internals in my post on the previous page. I couldn't see any room for weight reduction in a way that would be worth it, and wouldn't ruin the look of the mouse.

The base plate is already very thin with a honeycomb pattern and some holes where the skates attach. Drilling holes in the base wouldn't result in any more than 1g reduction at most. The upper shell is full of PCBs and wires. You could remove the RGB light but that PCB is tiny and again, wouldn't result in more than maybe 1g. The side buttons could be removed but I personally need them as I use them in game.

I actually tried to remove the PCBs and stuff in the upper shell because I wanted to fix the small amount of freeplay in the M1/M2 buttons, but it's so damn tricky and I couldn't get it all out. I feel like the way to reduce weight in the design phase would have been if Roccat used thinner PCBs and ditched that piece of metal around the scroll wheel and DPI button, as it serves absolutely no purpose beyond looking nice. I do find it odd that they went to the trouble of designing the base of the shell to be as light as possible without any visible holes, but they put a long piece of metal on the top shell...
12-21-2019 06:16 AM
t3ram My Kain stays in the drawer because i cant get used to the weight after using all this lightweight mice,otherwise it is one of the best mice out there. Did someone already try to shave of some weight from it?
12-11-2019 11:42 PM
Elrick
Quote: Originally Posted by Zammin View Post
Some braided cables are very stiff, personally I think it's better to use a normal rubber cable (also shielded) instead of a hella stiff braided one.

Always have used my bulletproof, heavy duty MIC Stand to hold up any Mouse Cable.

There hasn't been a single cable that this stand couldn't hold way above the desk pad area. Hence the mouse is always loose and maneuverable without any drag or conflict.

Get the Stand and finally be FREE......
12-11-2019 12:08 AM
Zammin
Quote: Originally Posted by rtom View Post
The reason is more like EU law for shielding on radio frequencies on "high speed" usb cables.
The smooth modding cables are not allowed to be sold attached to a mouse.

"When sending full speed signaling, USB cables rely on the shielding integrity of the cable and connector
shield. Field tests with 65% braid show no measurable leakage through the shield. However, the shield
must be carefully terminated to the connector. Most shielding failures can be traced to improper
termination of the cable shield to the connector or connector shell to the receptacle. Full speed USB cables
are specified to have a woven or spirally wound copper shield. Such a shield can be crimped to the
connector shell yielding 3600 shield coverage at the connector. The use of a foil shield with a drain wire is
not recommended due to the series inductance of the drain wire and the tendency of foil to crack with
cable flexing"
Of course, I'm well aware that manufacturers can't release mice with unshielded paracords like the ones we install on our mice afterward. But when it comes to stock (shielded) cables, some are far better than others. Some braided cables are very stiff, personally I think it's better to use a normal rubber cable (also shielded) instead of a hella stiff braided one.
12-10-2019 08:24 PM
rtom
cable shielding

Quote: Originally Posted by Zammin View Post
That's interesting, I dunno why it would be different. Would be good to hear from other owners in case mine is more rigid than others for some reason.

I own the Kain 120, Deathadder Elite and the G403 and to me the Kain 120 cable feels stiff like the G403, especially closer to where it exits the mouse it's very rigid. It's usable, not the worst braided cable I've ever felt (that award goes to the DM1 Pro S) but you'll be very aware of it.

There was a post made on Reddit by the Roccat staff prior to the Kain's release showing the 120 with a paracord installed, and that's also when they mentioned what the stock cable would be. Other users asked why they chose to go with the stiffer braided cable over a standard rubber one and they said the reason is because in the eyes of the average consumer, a stiffer braided cable gives the impression of better quality..
The reason is more like EU law for shielding on radio frequencies on "high speed" usb cables.
The smooth modding cables are not allowed to be sold attached to a mouse.

"When sending full speed signaling, USB cables rely on the shielding integrity of the cable and connector
shield. Field tests with 65% braid show no measurable leakage through the shield. However, the shield
must be carefully terminated to the connector. Most shielding failures can be traced to improper
termination of the cable shield to the connector or connector shell to the receptacle. Full speed USB cables
are specified to have a woven or spirally wound copper shield. Such a shield can be crimped to the
connector shell yielding 3600 shield coverage at the connector. The use of a foil shield with a drain wire is
not recommended due to the series inductance of the drain wire and the tendency of foil to crack with
cable flexing"
11-28-2019 04:11 AM
Elrick
Hey, something good turned up at PCCG....

Just got this sent to me;

https://www.pccasegear.com/products/...b-gaming-mouse

So of course bought another Kain for my collection. This would be the 3rd model bought but my very first White coloured one.

It's good to be a Convict here, down under .
11-25-2019 12:57 AM
Zammin Played a few games of Modern Warfare with the Kain since my last post. Honestly in real use, it feels great in every way except the weight. It's hard for me to get used to 90g again after using mice <70g for so long now. If we ever get a Kain Ultra at <80g I'd be all over that.
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