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01-24-2020 08:36 AM
skupples the better the new console, the quicker people migrate, the quicker they can kill it off? idk. i've never looked into MS's thoughts on the matter.
01-24-2020 08:11 AM
BigMack70
Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
mixed generation support is what they're calling it, right? its gonna be horrible. I hope these sell stupidly well, allowing them to re-adjust their legacy support.
I also hope they re-think it. Cross gen titles are *always* a bad experience. They usually run and look like trash on the old hardware, because devs are doing everything they can to make use of the new while attaining to bare minimum shippable performance on the old. I fully expect 720p30 below low settings to become standard on base Xbone hardware.

And while they run and look like trash on the old hardware, they typically look more like really nice last-gen games on new hardware rather than next-gen.

As I see it, cross-gen is lose lose for everyone, with the possible exception of multiplayer games that might need the larger install base to maintain a healthy population. But even then, I don't think it's needed... For example, if halo infinite turns out to be a fantastic halo multiplayer game (which I highly doubt), people would pay the money to upgrade if they had to; it wouldn't need legacy consoles to maintain population.
01-24-2020 07:57 AM
skupples mixed generation support is what they're calling it, right? its gonna be horrible. I hope these sell stupidly well, allowing them to re-adjust their legacy support.

also, I wanna see the big boy specs now. I suppose that won't release for 1-2 years though, right? It'll release when they nix support for last gen?
Quote: Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post
Thank you.
I'm sorry for dragging it on too.




I suppose if we're counting the 2080Ti as being basically the same thing as the 1080Ti then yes you're right, it's really sad that Nvidia both chose to release such a disappointing card as the 2080Ti and that the level of competition allowed it.

01-24-2020 07:47 AM
rluker5
Quote: Originally Posted by BigMack70 View Post
Seems reasonable.

It's exceedingly disappointing that M$ wants to keep supporting the garbage heap of hardware that is the original Xbox One S. Depending on how that works out, we might actually see 120 FPS in some games on the early Series X titles just because the devs cannot increase fidelity enough even to stress current midrange hardware, because they are mandated by their M$ overlords to get their game running at 720p 30fps on low end hardware from 7 years ago. We might not see the higher fidelity next gen games show up until after that mandate wears off... we'll see how it goes.
Would be nice if they turn down the 1S settings to "laughably bad" for games and just keep the 4k bluray and video streaming apps support good.
No shadows or reflections, one light source and scary pop in is what I'm thinking about. Like some npc pops in real close, lobs a grenade, then poof gone!
Gotta sell those new consoles.

Edit: HDD load times after an npc sneak attack would be the icing on the cake
01-24-2020 07:24 AM
BigMack70
Quote: Originally Posted by rluker5 View Post
Sooo more numbers are trickling in and I thought I would run through an exercise in arithmetic:
Xboxsx die size 405 mm2
4800H d size 149 mm2
VII d sz 331/8= 41 mm2
4800H -gpu= 108 mm2
Xboxsx gpu = 297 mm2
Navi10 d size 251 mm2
297/251=1.18, 2Ghz/1.18=1.7Ghz
Xboxsx power cable 250w
4800H is Zen2, but has 1/2 the L3(game) cache as Zen+ so I'm expecting similar performance as Zen+ per clock
5700XT is closest to 2070, but take ray tracing die space out and what's left may be closer to 2060

My estimation of the Xboxsx in comparison to pc hardware is about an overclocked 4770k with between a 2060 and 2070.

And we've had console hardware in desktop long enough to know how effectively that console optimization magic is working out. Basically about as well as tuning settings and doing upscaling.

Hopefully it will be better but still a good jump, especially in the cpu department.
Seems reasonable.

It's exceedingly disappointing that M$ wants to keep supporting the garbage heap of hardware that is the original Xbox One S. Depending on how that works out, we might actually see 120 FPS in some games on the early Series X titles just because the devs cannot increase fidelity enough even to stress current midrange hardware, because they are mandated by their M$ overlords to get their game running at 720p 30fps on low end hardware from 7 years ago. We might not see the higher fidelity next gen games show up until after that mandate wears off... we'll see how it goes.
01-24-2020 06:55 AM
rluker5 Sooo more numbers are trickling in and I thought I would run through an exercise in arithmetic:
Xboxsx die size 405 mm2
4800H d size 149 mm2
VII d sz 331/8= 41 mm2
4800H -gpu= 108 mm2
Xboxsx gpu = 297 mm2
Navi10 d size 251 mm2
297/251=1.18, 2Ghz/1.18=1.7Ghz
Xboxsx power cable 250w
4800H is Zen2, but has 1/2 the L3(game) cache as Zen+ so I'm expecting similar performance as Zen+ per clock
5700XT is closest to 2070, but take ray tracing die space out and what's left may be closer to 2060

My estimation of the Xboxsx in comparison to pc hardware is about an overclocked 4770k with between a 2060 and 2070.

And we've had console hardware in desktop long enough to know how effectively that console optimization magic is working out. Basically about as well as tuning settings and doing upscaling.

Hopefully it will be better but still a good jump, especially in the cpu department.
01-24-2020 03:25 AM
ILoveHighDPI
Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
correct. I'm a terribly jaded arse that's narrowly escaped death multiple times. Just imagine if you'd paid attention before the near death experiences, when i was a turbo-dick.

if the $500 >> $1300(my 2080ti was $800 ) part is in reference to me, you're way off. I'm stoked for these new boxes to re-draw the middle line. Everyone benefits. More so though, I'm looking forward to ~2022 when Intel starts to actually compete, and AMD has caught up.

you got what you wanted, I'll be waiting for my thank you
Thank you.
I'm sorry for dragging it on too.


Quote: Originally Posted by Shawnb99 View Post
Sure it will... By that window it’ll be a 3 1/2 year old GPU so I should hope next gen can come close to matching it.
Console graphics are like PC graphics with everything turned off but keep thinking we’ll be “outclassed”
I suppose if we're counting the 2080Ti as being basically the same thing as the 1080Ti then yes you're right, it's really sad that Nvidia both chose to release such a disappointing card as the 2080Ti and that the level of competition allowed it.
01-22-2020 06:59 AM
skupples
Quote: Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post
If this is how you respond to basic factual statements you must be a genuinely very grumpy and unpleasant person.
I hope you can wake up tomorrow feeling better than you do now.

But really a bunch of people on here just have emotional attachment problems with your overpriced PC hardware and y'all are bitter that a $500 peasant box is going to outclass your $1,300 GPU within a two year window.
correct. I'm a terribly jaded arse that's narrowly escaped death multiple times. Just imagine if you'd paid attention before the near death experiences, when i was a turbo-dick.

if the $500 >> $1300(my 2080ti was $800 ) part is in reference to me, you're way off. I'm stoked for these new boxes to re-draw the middle line. Everyone benefits. More so though, I'm looking forward to ~2022 when Intel starts to actually compete, and AMD has caught up.

you got what you wanted, I'll be waiting for my thank you
01-22-2020 06:52 AM
Shawnb99
Quote: Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI View Post
If this is how you respond to basic factual statements you must be a genuinely very grumpy and unpleasant person.

I hope you can wake up tomorrow feeling better than you do now.



But really a bunch of people on here just have emotional attachment problems with your overpriced PC hardware and y'all are bitter that a $500 peasant box is going to outclass your $1,300 GPU within a two year window.


Sure it will... By that window it’ll be a 3 1/2 year old GPU so I should hope next gen can come close to matching it.
Console graphics are like PC graphics with everything turned off but keep thinking we’ll be “outclassed”
01-22-2020 06:46 AM
ILoveHighDPI
Quote: Originally Posted by skupples View Post
saying you keep up with you is an insult? I'd call it more of an insinuation. I apologize for insinuating you're more bonkers than me.
If this is how you respond to basic factual statements you must be a genuinely very grumpy and unpleasant person.
I hope you can wake up tomorrow feeling better than you do now.

But really a bunch of people on here just have emotional attachment problems with your overpriced PC hardware and y'all are bitter that a $500 peasant box is going to outclass your $1,300 GPU within a two year window.
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