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02-05-2020 01:11 AM
Dogzilla07 @ciarlatano

So very true, just look at this crazy looking Squa:





T.B. RGB and T.B. Silence ADV are passable, but honestly the last good looking was the red-black Magma/Magma Advanced.

Also I had another conclusion from the video, The Arctic P14 seems uncharacteristically(but logically) better performing than the P12(especially in the noise department), compared to what I've seen in the past from Corsair ML120-ML140, and others (who I "guess" just scaled up the smaller fan without additional engineering and design time)

P12 to P14 closely mimics/follows the Be Quiet SW3 120mm to 140mm numbers.
02-04-2020 09:20 AM
ciarlatano
Quote: Originally Posted by Dogzilla07 View Post
@BroadPwns
3. And the 3rd conclusion to the video is, that on paper Enermax Squa RGB 120mm is a hidden gem.
I've had a number of Enermax fans over the years, and they were always better than expected. I really think they aren't taken as seriously as they should be due to Enermax's insistence on making them ridiculous looking with crazy lighting.
02-03-2020 10:44 AM
Dogzilla07 @BroadPwns

I was afraid of that, that's the test, and I've already had the same discussion on another forum about how people take wrong conclusions from that video because they don't think deeply enough about what's shown, ...

I don't have the strength again, especially with the cold/flu headache I have, so I'll just summarise:

What those test show is that the P14 is actually awesome, and that there a couple of flaws with the test parameters that make people come to wrong conclusions:

1. The non-radiator test, doesn't have sufficient obstructions in the form of mesh/metal/filter which would further showcase the P14 strengths.

2. Like the new Noctua sterrox NF-A12x25, the Arctic P14(and P12) is the closest match to the Noctua and shares a distinct feature absent in other fans.
That is that it produces less noise on higher RPM than any other fan in existence currently (which makes having only 1000 RPM as a comparison base flawed, because as you can see in the same tests, the dB metrics for the Arctic are incredible compared to where it lands on the chart).

To get the full idea of it you have to go the 120mm video and pay attention and compare the NF-A12x25 to other fans, and then compare the P12/P14 to other fans, and then observe the similarities between those 2 comparisons.

What you'll see is that there's a 1500RPM category missing in which P12/P14 and A12x25 will produce noise equivalent to other fans on 1000RPM roughly (Also a very much needed 1250RPM category is missing).

Compare it all together, don't just quickly glance or look at just one set of numbers, or dB and m3h numbers in separations, additionally segment and classify the data shown in your head (or own paper/word/excel), and you will better grasp what that data shows.

3. And the 3rd conclusion to the video is, that on paper Enermax Squa RGB 120mm is a hidden gem.
02-02-2020 09:33 PM
Blameless Not at all surprised that a non-trash 280mm CLC bests the D15 in performance, but I'm not sure there are adequate controls in the OPs test. Fixed clocks and voltage would provide a somewhat more consistent thermal load to compare temps against.

Quote: Originally Posted by Falkentyne View Post
Question, is this really an AIO? or a CLC?
If it's an AIO, that means you can change the tubing, fittings, etc, right?

The arctic website says it's maintenance free. So aren't they describing a CLC, theen?
All CLCs are AIOs, but not all AIOs are CLCs.

AIO (all-in-one) is the more broad category that covers both CLCs and pre-configured loops that are intended to be reconfigurable.

This cooler is a CLC, but calling in an AIO is not wrong, because CLCs are a type of AIO.

Quote: Originally Posted by D-EJ915 View Post
P14 is a nice price/perf fan for rads, when I was testing my 140mm I didn't do open air since my use is only on rad for new build lol.
Normally I don't care too much about open air tests, even on case fans. All of my intakes are at least moderately restrictive because they're all filtered and even most exhaust fans on most of my cases have enough restriction (worst feature of otherwise good cases, IMO, but I'm usually too lazy to take a saw to them) to make open air tests not so useful.

I really like the P14s, but I still wouldn't use them as exhaust unless there was a restrictive grill in the way, or I had nothing better around.
02-02-2020 07:51 PM
BroadPwns
Quote: Originally Posted by D-EJ915 View Post
I just looked at the results chart did he mention what radiator he used for his test? I didn't see it in the description. I used EK CE420 for mine and wonder how it compares to his.

P14 is a nice price/perf fan for rads, when I was testing my 140mm I didn't do open air since my use is only on rad for new build lol.

Mein deutsch ist viel terribl. I have no idea if he mentioned what he used, I don't really want to listen in trying to pick up a mentioned radiator.
02-02-2020 06:56 PM
D-EJ915
Quote: Originally Posted by BroadPwns View Post
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AXz0jL1IqeI


That one. Well, not great is a wrong word and "I was half asleep and couldn't be bothered to do some graphs" is very suitable. If they scale close to linear, they're top notch, when you go for noise normalized. My P14s top out at 1500RPM and they're audibly humming from 1m away like a industrial fan. Nonetheless, I can't hear the bearing the noise comes from blades edges..
I just looked at the results chart did he mention what radiator he used for his test? I didn't see it in the description. I used EK CE420 for mine and wonder how it compares to his.

P14 is a nice price/perf fan for rads, when I was testing my 140mm I didn't do open air since my use is only on rad for new build lol.
02-02-2020 06:46 AM
BroadPwns


That one. Well, not great is a wrong word and "I was half asleep and couldn't be bothered to do some graphs" is very suitable. If they scale close to linear, they're top notch, when you go for noise normalized. My P14s top out at 1500RPM and they're audibly humming from 1m away like a industrial fan. Nonetheless, I can't hear the bearing the noise comes from blades edges..
02-02-2020 06:18 AM
Dogzilla07 @BroadPwns can you give the link please ?, cause if it's the same video I remember, you've extracted the wrong conclusions from it. ( unless you're being sarastic).
02-02-2020 02:31 AM
BroadPwns P14 is not a great case fan, according to Der8auer.
02-02-2020 02:29 AM
Dogzilla07 Not really, it's clearly a CLC, you can't expand it or refill easily, (no quick disconnects, or refill ports) + the Radiator is Aluminium.

What it has going for it mainly is extremely good fans coupled with fat 38mm radiator (All on <1500RPM speeds and decent acoustics). Hopefully, this makes it harder to deny P14/P12 performance (especially P14). Second thing it has going for it is obviously a better pump that your average Asetek CLC.

Still, I'm convinced that if you slapped 2xP14s on a Noctua NH-D15 (remember removing 1 default fan lowers temps by 2-3 degrees, and the stock Noctua fans are already inferior compared to Arctic), and you also had 1xP12/P14 as exhaust and 2/3xP14s as intake front in a decent mesh case like P400A,NR600, or P600A, that the difference would drop significantly.

To Summarise and clarify what I'm trying to say is, the Arctic is more plug and play, and requires less tinkering with your case and fans (like almost every single liquid cooler is), but you trade that for only 2 year warranty, and risk, and reduced longevity. However, it's very cheap for it's performance so that's new compared to other CLC/AIO and what makes it attractive to again take risks.

While on the other hand as it's been mentioned on this forum ad infinitum, NH-D15 requires adequate Case, tinkering and proper airflow setup, adequate Fans, but what you get instead is increased longevity, and waranty.

There's also a silver lining, we'll see in the future, the only 2 years warranty, could be because of lack of faith in fan longevity, lack of faith in pump longevity, or lack of faith in chemicals to fight biological growth, or you just pure cost saving. Lets see what the future holds and hope it's cost saving and fan longevity.
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