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07-07-2020 10:29 PM
kithylin
Quote: Originally Posted by Laithan View Post
So where is this magical 2000W coming from anyway
The bios allows it but to actually get power that high people have to solder on zombie boards for LN2 overclocking.


Yes I know the image isn't a 2080 Ti. I just used it as a reference. It's the same concept.
07-07-2020 10:24 PM
99999User Would anyone kindly confirm Kingpin bios can be flashed onto Gigabyte Gaming OC 2080Ti successfully?
07-07-2020 06:29 PM
TONSCHUH
Quote: Originally Posted by J7SC View Post
...looking forward to some 'before and after' air <> water temp comps when you're done. BTW, I didn't even know that there was a new TT Core (P8) out...looks related to core P5, but with extra items on the side and top...
Spoiler!


That's what I got so far, with the 7700k @5047MHz (5151MHz wasn't fully stable in Fire-Strike) in the same loop:

Gigabyte GeForce RTX2080 Ti Aorus Xtreme 11G Graphics Card (XOC-BIOS-MOD: ASUS RTX 2080 Ti Strix OC Custom PCB (2x8-Pin) 1000W x 100% Power Target BIOS (1000W)) | Core-Voltage: 1.0870V | GPU-Clock (max stable): 1350MHz | Boost (max. stable): 2145MHz | Memory-Clock (max stable): 16000MHz | max. Temp: 32C (Water-Cooled)

Idle Temps GPU: 22C with AirCon and 28C without AirCon

Idle Temps CPU: 28C with AirCon and 30C without AirCon

I could still try to reduce the GPU Core Voltage, but doubt that it would change anything.

It's with +135 Core and +1000 (930) Me.

+150 Core and / or a slightly higher Mem Clocks, pretty much straight kick me out of Fire-Strike.

Will still play around with it, when I have some more spare time, but I doubt that I could push it much higher.

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07-07-2020 06:25 PM
Laithan
Quote: Originally Posted by cisco150 View Post
Hi guys I wanted to know if this Bios is safe to run 24/7 on my card Evga 2080 Ti XC Gaming, Bios is the EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Kingpin Custom PCB (3x8-Pin) 2000W x 100% Power Target BIOS (2000W).

Here are the bios i tried, EVGA RTX 2080 Ti Kingpin Custom PCB (3x8-Pin) 2000W x 100% Power Target BIOS (2000W), GALAX/KFA2 RTX 2080 Ti OC Reference PCB (2x8-Pin) 300W x 127% Power Target BIOS (380W and i wanted to try this one but haven't- Galax RTX 2080 Ti HOF OC Lab Custom PCB (3x8-Pin) 2000W x 100% Power Target BIOS (2000W) or ASUS RTX 2080 Ti Strix OC Custom PCB (2x8-Pin) 1000W x 100% Power Target BIOS (1000W).
Quote: Originally Posted by rustyk View Post
I don't W/C my card but is that a serious question? It's pretty obvious that the cards are not designed to run 2KW of power even if they could. IMHO it's clearly designed for benchmarking for 'experts' who are willing to take risks.

What's the standard power limit on your card? I'd just use the standard one and keep the card as cold as you can. By 24/7 I assume you mean gaming rather than benchmarking? Did you benchmark any different games when you tried the different BIOS?
From the peanut gallery (I'm sure this has already been discussed many times)

I admit that I haven't used one of the "2000 Watt" BIOS' and measured how much they can actually "pull" however I've done a lot of power testing with Maxwell. Regardless of the GPU on the PCB, there are simply electrical limits. I am not talking about the actual maximum limit of a single 8-pin PCI-e cable electrically (324 Watts I believe) but what I would consider a "safe" wattage to be pulling from a single PCI-e 8-pin is 200 Watts. This is factoring the PCB trace width where the power is ultimately carried. 200W is a lot of power for a single 8-pin and above what most STOCK BIOS of recent generations of GPUs would define (150W was common for a STOCK BIOS 8-pin value).

I had to struggle to find any test that would come even close to pulling 200W (even testing @ 4K) and the only real way I could get that much power to be pulled was with furmark which is of course not even close to real-world. I suspect some LN2/DICE examples w/extreme voltages may reach the power limits. Regardless of who made the GPU the 8-pin PCI-e power cable is an industry standard. The PCI-e slot itself can provide up to 75W of additional power. The traces/components on the PCB itself will of course vary.

With a maximum of 200W per 8-pin PCI-e:
8-pin PCI-e cable x 1 + the PCI-e slot itself = 275W of power (safe maximum)
8-pin PCI-e cables x 2 + the PCI-e slot itself = 475W of power (safe maximum)
8-pin PCI-e cables x 3 + the PCI-e slot itself = 675W of power (safe maximum)


So let's just say for giggles that we went with the maximum power an 8-pin can electrically carry which is 324 Watts.. then you would have:
With a maximum of 324W per 8-pin PCI-e:
8-pin PCI-e cable x 1 + the PCI-e slot itself = 399W of power (electrical maximum)
8-pin PCI-e cables x 2 + the PCI-e slot itself = 723W of power (electrical maximum)
8-pin PCI-e cables x 3 + the PCI-e slot itself = 1047W of power (electrical maximum)

So where is this magical 2000W coming from anyway
It may be defined in the BIOS as 2000W (might as well put 1 million then) but I don't think it is eletrically possible by both the physical wires themselves or the traces on the PCB.

Also, the question of running a GPU 24x7 is not of power it is of voltage. I would not recommend running that XOC BIOS 24x7 because of the increased voltage (unless you back it down for daily use via curve) not because of the power as it only pulls what it needs when it is needed. The actual power utilized depends on the workload presented to the GPU.

Personally as long as I could have profiles configured with different voltages for different needs then I would keep the XOC BIOS flashed at all times and just use software to limit the voltage for gaming. When benchmarking then load the max voltage profile
07-07-2020 06:08 PM
TONSCHUH
Quote: Originally Posted by caki View Post
been using this card since 6 months without any issues but yesterday gpu started throttling like crazy and i found out that the culprit was pump stopping to circulate the coolant (radiators cold while card is around 85-90 C at idle in windows). When i restarted the pc i heard some air bubble passing sounds coming from the card and it was back to 30C idle when i checked again after the restart. However it got worse to the point where it would not start at all after multiple power cycles or just start and make the air bubble sound for an instance and stop again. Tilting the card and radiators seemed to solve the problem for a while until it started again. I didn&#226;€&#x2122;&#xfe0f;t know that the radiator had to sit above the pump level and its impossible to implement in my chassis anyway even if i did but i found a way to take the fans out of the chassis and hang them higher than the pump as a temporary solution. It solved the problem for 2 days and i was glad that the problem was gone until minutes ago when it made a stubborn return. Now since my card is non reference pcb i guess chances of installing an aftermarket cooler block is impossible? Anyway to bleed air from this system? I could find the third exit (tapped) from the pump on the card has some kind of a hole in it. Like the ones in bleeder valves.
I contacted Gigabyte / Aorus and asked if I would be able to put the block from the Xtreme Waterforce WB Edition onto my air-cooled version and if they would sell me one, but they don't and told me, that I would straight loose my whole warranty, if I would pull the GPU apart or alter it. So from their point of view, you are not even allowed to put a water-block on their card nor re-pasted them.
07-07-2020 03:26 PM
cisco150
Quote: Originally Posted by rustyk View Post
I don't W/C my card but is that a serious question? It's pretty obvious that the cards are not designed to run 2KW of power even if they could. IMHO it's clearly designed for benchmarking for 'experts' who are willing to take risks.

What's the standard power limit on your card? I'd just use the standard one and keep the card as cold as you can. By 24/7 I assume you mean gaming rather than benchmarking? Did you benchmark any different games when you tried the different BIOS?
I did the 380w one with call of duty Mw 3840x1600 temp stayed at 47c and tried timespy at 49c peek 50c on all 3 Bios and no trouble at all. im only seeing a wattage of 560 or so and voltage is where it stays @ 1.125v on the kingpin Bios one with only a +115 core i was at 2190mhz
07-07-2020 12:42 PM
0451
Quote: Originally Posted by chibi View Post
Outstanding! Buy b-stock kingping that shart the bed and get a new retail rma replacement. Good on EVGA, only brand GPU I will ever buy that isnt nvidia reference.
I was totally planning on keeping the first one I got, but it artifacted. I guess I'm lucky it did! I wouldn't recommend trying to buy a Kingpin with the hope of RMAing it because chances are they won't have one in stock and you will end up with a refund instead. But I agree, EVGA's warranty service is second to none. B stock is actually eligible for the EVGA Step-Up program and I can upgrade to a 3080ti if it comes out in the next 3 months.
07-07-2020 12:39 PM
chibi
Quote: Originally Posted by 0451 View Post
It took almost 2 weeks, but the EVGA RMA department sent me a retail Kingpin instead of a small RMA box. I loaded Red Dead Redemption 2 and it runs smoothly with no artifacts, 2040 / 7000 mhz on stock settings. I'll play around with it later. This is in my new 10700k setup which runs 5.2 all core @ 1.31 vcore

Outstanding! Buy b-stock kingping that shart the bed and get a new retail rma replacement. Good on EVGA, only brand GPU I will ever buy that isnt nvidia reference.
07-07-2020 12:33 PM
0451 It took almost 2 weeks, but the EVGA RMA department sent me a retail Kingpin instead of a small RMA box. I loaded Red Dead Redemption 2 and it runs smoothly with no artifacts, 2040 / 7000 mhz on stock settings. I'll play around with it later. This is in my new 10700k setup which runs 5.2 all core @ 1.31 vcore
07-07-2020 08:32 AM
Shawnb99
Quote: Originally Posted by Mylittlepwny2 View Post
Yep i have 2 of the KP cards with the hydrocopper blocks. Good luck finding the blocks. Havent heard of anyone actually being able to buy one from EVGA.com in a LONG time. Both times they've seemingly come back in stock (EVGA notifications) they are instantly sold out and no one i have ever talked to managed to get one. Infact last time they came "in stock" a few weeks ago I ordered one (to have a spare) and my order ended up getting auto cancelled by EVGA due to no availability. I cant be sure if they were actually in stock or if it was just a glitch in the system. EVGA to their credit gave me $100 in EVGA bucks for the trouble once I called to ascertain the status of my order.

Anyways point is the KP cards are the bees knees. I cant ever go back to the boring old Nvidia cards. Not only do these clock higher (both mine will game at over 2205 MHz if kept below 38C), but you can also install and run the XOC bios to completely remove the power limit and really let these things shine! $1000 for a KP card is an absolute steal. If you ever manage to find a hydrocopper block jump on it. In the RARE instance once comes up for sale on the used market they often sell for over $700.
EVGA stopped making the blocks for the 2080TIkpe very shortly after release. As of now unless someone is selling theirs you won't be able to find one. Optimus has promised to come out with a block but knowing them we'll be lucky if they release that by the end of the year and ship it 6 months later.

The fact they made this model an AIO and then sold the block on as extra and that they stopped selling them so soon after is likely why I'll never buy one of those cards. That and they sell out so quickly that I never get the chance to buy one if I wanted.
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