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07-10-2020 01:20 AM
stasio BIOS F20 on TT forum.....
07-10-2020 12:07 AM
ManniX-ITA
Quote: Originally Posted by Mullcom View Post
https://www.ebay.com/itm/203041546196
40gbit card and not so much more then a disk controller.

So let's stop comment this. Sorry again.

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Don't be sorry, it's a topic worth to discuss considering the terrible SATA controller we have to deal with
That Mellanox is a nice card but it's without transceiver; you need a QSP+ module for 40Gbps or an adapter and module for SFP+ 10Gbps.
There are much cheaper alternatives but then there's the NAS 10Gbps which is going to be expensive.
The cabling can be an issue if the NAS is not close; maybe a 10Gbps switch is needed.
Costs can pile up easily; if there's no real need for a NAS a dual slot USB 10gbps SATA enclosure it's the best option.
The port is already there on the high-end boards. Latest Master rev has also a TB3 port, even better.
07-09-2020 10:28 PM
Mullcom
Quote: Originally Posted by ManniX-ITA View Post
Did you try setting Power Supply Idle Power to Typical in Tweaker > Advanced CPU?

Also ErP set to enabled can fix this kind of issues.





It's a complex topic but there's truth in what you both said. If only Gigabit Ethernet is available than the bandwidth bottleneck is huge, bit better with 2.5G.

But only 10Gigabit can really give enough bandwidth to a NAS to compete with a local disk. But it's very expensive.

Not to mention that I/O over a network share is much slower.

Another system is indeed more complex to maintain, another point of failure. But also offers more resilience.

It does make really sense if you actually use it as NAS, always on and accessible from multiple devices.



As you said the best option to offload for a single PC is a good USB 10Gbps enclosure; simple, only on when in use, quite fast I/O.



It's hard to compete with a local SATA controller for performance/price ratio; even a bad one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/203041546196
40gbit card and not so much more then a disk controller.

So let's stop comment this. Sorry again.

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07-09-2020 10:20 PM
ManniX-ITA
Quote: Originally Posted by d3v0 View Post
Using 1usmus power plan and a slight (-0.375v) undervolt, with PBO manual x1 +200, I am getting shutdowns after about 30 minutes of idle time. Power plan issue? or voltage issue? Cant really tell what setting created it because I was on the PC all day while tweaking, and didnt notice the shut down til the next day. Its not an error, just a plain restart after 30-60 mins of idle time.
Did you try setting Power Supply Idle Power to Typical in Tweaker > Advanced CPU?
Also ErP set to enabled can fix this kind of issues.

Quote: Originally Posted by betam4x View Post
He doesn't understand what "NAS" means. He's misinformed. The idea behind a NAS is shared network storage multiple devices can easily attach to. It has nothing to do with noise or power. A NAS can sit in your closet and you can store crap on it from any machine on your network.

Outside of that, if you are looking to save power, reduce heat, etc. It's usually better to buy an external USB hard drive unless you need an always on drive. That being said, running CrystalDiskMark shows that the SATA controller is indeed quite lacking. If this drive weren't in use I'd try plugging it into USB to see if that rectifies the situation.
It's a complex topic but there's truth in what you both said. If only Gigabit Ethernet is available than the bandwidth bottleneck is huge, bit better with 2.5G.
But only 10Gigabit can really give enough bandwidth to a NAS to compete with a local disk. But it's very expensive.
Not to mention that I/O over a network share is much slower.
Another system is indeed more complex to maintain, another point of failure. But also offers more resilience.
It does make really sense if you actually use it as NAS, always on and accessible from multiple devices.

As you said the best option to offload for a single PC is a good USB 10Gbps enclosure; simple, only on when in use, quite fast I/O.

It's hard to compete with a local SATA controller for performance/price ratio; even a bad one.
07-09-2020 08:47 PM
Jeffreybt anyone having issues with getting their old manual overclock working with the new 20b bios?

I had a stable OC from Aug 2019 on almost every bios that has come out since, now in 20b i cant get anything close to what I had, even pumping in more voltage then i had before, now i can't get to the windows loading screen.

before
3900x @ 1.325v
4.5
4.5
4.4
4.4
now i cant even get 4.4/4.3 all the way to up 1.35v

is there a new setting that im missing that might be making it unstable?
07-09-2020 03:41 PM
betam4x
Quote: Originally Posted by ManniX-ITA View Post
It's probably a bit better than the X570 controller but I had a couple of SATA PCIe cards with that Marvell controller family, it's quite horrible.
I'm very likely not going to have space in the next build for it so I think I'll give up and hold till the next board.
But I was eyeing at something like this:

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0085FT2JC/

It's much more expensive, 2-3x times, but at least 8 ports without compromises.
Quote: Originally Posted by Yuke View Post
CrystalDiskMark: The second test is lowered by half on my MX500 (4KiB Q8T8)...you can also run a compare benchmark like userbenchmark and it will show you that you are underperforming on the SATA SSD (I think something like 56% instead of 97-99%). Thats how it is for me at least.
Quote: Originally Posted by Mullcom View Post
Sorry for off topic.

Interesting though. I have use NAS for several years now. And that save me frome just this thing you mention. It's no bottleneck at all how I see it. Let's leave it with that before this get to fare away from thread two different though how to handle data.

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He doesn't understand what "NAS" means. He's misinformed. The idea behind a NAS is shared network storage multiple devices can easily attach to. It has nothing to do with noise or power. A NAS can sit in your closet and you can store crap on it from any machine on your network.

Outside of that, if you are looking to save power, reduce heat, etc. It's usually better to buy an external USB hard drive unless you need an always on drive. That being said, running CrystalDiskMark shows that the SATA controller is indeed quite lacking. If this drive weren't in use I'd try plugging it into USB to see if that rectifies the situation.
07-09-2020 01:53 PM
Mullcom
Quote: Originally Posted by RaXelliX View Post
NAS is a scam. You're not actually making your system smaller, or quieter or cooler. You are just displacing some hardware to a second (often expensive) box somewhere and introducing a bottleneck between them due to cabling. Not to mention added failiure point due to second box.



The same way i could say you could make your system significantly smaller by using external eGPU box. Same thing -even worse bottleneck.

Sorry if this seems to harsh but i really fail to see the point for NAS.
Sorry for off topic.

Interesting though. I have use NAS for several years now. And that save me frome just this thing you mention. It's no bottleneck at all how I see it. Let's leave it with that before this get to fare away from thread two different though how to handle data.

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07-09-2020 01:51 PM
d3v0 Using 1usmus power plan and a slight (-0.375v) undervolt, with PBO manual x1 +200, I am getting shutdowns after about 30 minutes of idle time. Power plan issue? or voltage issue? Cant really tell what setting created it because I was on the PC all day while tweaking, and didnt notice the shut down til the next day. Its not an error, just a plain restart after 30-60 mins of idle time.
07-09-2020 01:45 PM
RaXelliX
Quote: Originally Posted by Mullcom View Post
Why are you use so much disk in your main computer?

Why not build a NAS Frome some old parts instead.

There is no need to have many disk in the main machine anymore it's take up only space and make the system more hot.


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NAS is a scam. You're not actually making your system smaller, or quieter or cooler. You are just displacing some hardware to a second (often expensive) box somewhere and introducing a bottleneck between them due to cabling. Not to mention added failiure point due to second box.

The same way i could say you could make your system significantly smaller by using external eGPU box. Same thing -even worse bottleneck.
Sorry if this seems to harsh but i really fail to see the point for NAS.
07-09-2020 01:36 PM
Mullcom
Quote: Originally Posted by ManniX-ITA View Post
It's probably a bit better than the X570 controller but I had a couple of SATA PCIe cards with that Marvell controller family, it's quite horrible.
I'm very likely not going to have space in the next build for it so I think I'll give up and hold till the next board.
But I was eyeing at something like this:

https://www.amazon.de/dp/B0085FT2JC/

It's much more expensive, 2-3x times, but at least 8 ports without compromises.
Quote: Originally Posted by RaXelliX View Post
Imo in case of add-in card SATA controllers it does not matter how good or bad the controller is. It would still offer better performance than X570 native. Besides people complain about ALL controllers: AsMedia crap, Marvell junk, Broadcom ****, X570 gimped etc.
Why are you use so much disk in your main computer?

Why not build a NAS Frome some old parts instead.

There is no need to have many disk in the main machine anymore it's take up only space and make the system more hot.


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