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05-28-2020 07:37 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by gerikoh View Post
Man, really thanks for this. I almost bought the AXP-100H Muscle, and checked that it was the 51mm version.


That's really good to know. I guess I'll test my luck with that extra 2mm. But it shouldn't be hard to find a 120x10mm fan at all.

And now I came to know the TDP is actually rated at 180w. This is certainly the cooler that I will get. I just wish I could find an old version.

Thanks a lot, man! You're really helpful!
TY-100 is not a 120x120 fan. It is 108x101x14mm as in attach image. I think the mounting hole spacing is 82.5x82.5mm, same mounting hole spacing as 92mm fans use.
05-27-2020 02:52 PM
gerikoh
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Keep in mind there are 2 different height AXP-100 coolers. The first generation of AXP-100 series (AXP-100 / AXP-100R / AXP-100-Full Copper / AXP-100 Muscle) is 44mm to top of cooler and newer AXP-100H series (AXP-100H / AXP-100RH / AXP-100H Muscle / AXP-100 C65) is 51mm to top of cooler. There may be a few more that should be on the list that I missed too.
Basically it all boils down to the fact there are 44mm tall and 51mm tall AXP-100 coolers
Man, really thanks for this. I almost bought the AXP-100H Muscle, and checked that it was the 51mm version.

Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Both use same fans. All come with TY-100 fan. Some have mounting adapter with 105mm hole spacing which is what 120mm fans normally have.
Not as good cooling as AXP-100.
That's really good to know. I guess I'll test my luck with that extra 2mm. But it shouldn't be hard to find a 120x10mm fan at all.

And now I came to know the TDP is actually rated at 180w. This is certainly the cooler that I will get. I just wish I could find an old version.

Thanks a lot, man! You're really helpful!
05-27-2020 02:16 PM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by gerikoh View Post
Thanks. Will the old ones allow me to mount standard 92mm fans though?

I'm kinda just wanting to save the headache and just go with the Cryorig C7 Graphene instead. (Didn't realize how much improvement can it get over the regular one)
Both use same fans. All come with TY-100 fan. Some have mounting adapter with 105mm hole spacing which is what 120mm fans normally have.
Not as good cooling as AXP-100.
05-27-2020 12:46 PM
gerikoh
Quote: Originally Posted by doyll View Post
Keep in mind there are 2 different height AXP-100 coolers. The first generation of AXP-100 series (AXP-100 / AXP-100R / AXP-100-Full Copper / AXP-100 Muscle) is 44mm to top of cooler and newer AXP-100H series (AXP-100H / AXP-100RH / AXP-100H Muscle / AXP-100 C65) is 51mm to top of cooler. There may be a few more that should be on the list that I missed too.
Basically it all boils down to the fact there are 44mm tall and 51mm tall AXP-100 coolers
Thanks. Will the old ones allow me to mount standard 92mm fans though?

I'm kinda just wanting to save the headache and just go with the Cryorig C7 Graphene instead. (Didn't realize how much improvement can it get over the regular one)
05-27-2020 12:38 PM
doyll Keep in mind there are 2 different height AXP-100 coolers. The first generation of AXP-100 series (AXP-100 / AXP-100R / AXP-100-Full Copper / AXP-100 Muscle) is 44mm to top of cooler and newer AXP-100H series (AXP-100H / AXP-100RH / AXP-100H Muscle / AXP-100 C65) is 51mm to top of cooler. There may be a few more that should be on the list that I missed too.
Basically it all boils down to the fact there are 44mm tall and 51mm tall AXP-100 coolers
05-27-2020 11:18 AM
gerikoh Really thanks a lot to you guys in pointing me to the right direction. Now I've have tallied down to the following:

I'm really inclined to get the AXP-200 but I just couldn't find it anywhere. At least quick enough since I'll be leaving next week. So my best options are the AXP-100/cu, Big Shuriken 3, and C1. While I'm also considering the TC12LS, and C7 if I couldn't get hold of the mentioned ones above.

I'm about to buy the case since I will be traveling for quite some time, and will be bringing it with me. And for easier transportability, I'm also considering the Fractal Design Node 202 since for being 4L smaller, and 0.5kg lighter (and it's also Swedish ). And I'm totally convinced that the AXP-100/cu is the best candidate if it can fit the case (and I can easily source this too).

So here is the shortlist of candidates of the coolers:


The Node 202 requires 56mm a cooler clearance of 56mm, but the AXP-100 is 2mm taller. I think it will be easily solved if I get a 12mm fan.

Now I have the following questions:
1. Will the AXP-100 fit in the Node 202? I've seen Hardwarecanucks use a Silverstone AR06 which is a 58mm height with the case
2. The AXP-100's fan dimensions seem to be non-standard, and couldn't figure out the mounting dimensions. Will it allow to mount standard 92mm fans?
3. Also, what's the difference between the versions of the AXP-100? What's the difference between the C65 and the Full Copper? And what is the difference between the RH and Muscle?

Depending on it will be the decision on which case should I go for as well as I'm almost about to pull the trigger on that AXP-100 (apparently it's the only stock left in my store so I need to make a fast decision). If not, then I may go with the RVZ03 and just be done with it.

Thanks a lot guys! Really appreciate it!
05-26-2020 09:39 AM
doyll AXP-100 Full copper is same cooler with copper fins instead of aluminum which is maybe 2c better cooling, that isn't enough to worry about.
05-26-2020 05:51 AM
Dogzilla07 I forgot about that silverstone NT06-PRO, that's a better choice.

and AXP-100 Full copper of course the best choice (hopefully in stock soon).

@gerikoh , one of the ghost s1 mkII variants fits that Alphacool 240mm watercooling AIO I mentioned above.
05-26-2020 04:57 AM
doyll
Quote: Originally Posted by gerikoh View Post
The cases that I'm looking at now requires no more than 83mm of clearance. I'm currently looking at Dogzilla's suggestions. Thanks, I'll be looking at the PH-TC12LS as well.


I guess I just have a different experience.

I did have the Prolimatech Samuel before (not sure why I can't find this anymore and if there's AM4 compatibility), and it was comparable to the Hyper212, and I've never bothered with the budget tower coolers ever since then. So I'm not even considering those ones with 92mm fans. Nonetheless they wouldn't fit in my desired case. And with little to no gain, compared to a high-end top-down cooler.

But fair enough, I guess I didn't provide the full picture of how it came to be.

My main intension is to have the most powerful setup possible to put in these cases so I can easily bring them out to my friend's place and do a lot of ranked marathons:
-Velka 5 -5.7L -48mm cooler clearance
-A4-SFX -7.2L -48mm cooler clearance
-S4 Mini - 4.3L -40mm cooler clearance

I'm just holding the CPU and GPU temporarily while just waiting for the R9 4950X and RTX 3080 Ti to launch. I have no idea if they will have the same thermal requirements as the R9 3950X and RTX 2080 Ti and I'm hoping that they will. But it got me thinking, what if the Noctua NH-L9 or Cryorig C7 or similar Low-Profile coolers can't handle it. And maybe I need a slightly larger case just to ensure there's a lot of airflow. Which led me into considering these cases:
-Ghost S1-7.3L -63mm cooler clearance
-Node 202-11L -56mm cooler clearance
-KKSB K1-7.1 -54mm cooler clearance
-Thorzone Mjolnir-9.7L -52mm cooler clearance

But I'm just not convinced yet hence I didn't bother with buying a case yet and just decided to stuff it on my computer table's shelf use a Wraith Prism for the meantime.

So it got me thinking that maybe the L9 and C7 just won't be enough and I'm just doubtful that it will perform better than the Prism, so I'll go with a bigger case, and this is the largest that I would go:
-Silverstone RVZ03 -14.6L -80mm cooler clearance
-Silverstone RVZ01 -14L -83mm cooler clearance

So now, thanks to you guys, I have it narrowed down on which case to buy:
-Silverstone RVZ03 -14.6L -80mm (really inclined on this case)
-Silverstone RVZ01 -14L -83mm

So now, I basically want to have the best performing air cooler for the RVZ03. And if you guys could even recommend me a smaller case that can fit a 13" card, and has a clearance of 80mm for the cooler, then that would be the best thing ever!

I helped a mate build a gaming sytem in Silverstone RVZ01-E case years ago. We used AXP-100. Case has 83mm CPU clearance with vent directly over CPU so we used 120mm fan on AXP-100 so total height with fan was 71mm and it worked very well. Only problem we had was finding thin 120mm intake fans for GPU side. We debated replacing stock GPU shroud and fans with 25mm thick 120mm fans, but ended up finding some I think Scythe 14mm thick fans that worked very well. Sorry, was too long ago to remember specifics.

Thermalright AXP-100 (6x 6mm heatpipes; 108x121x58/65mm w/TY-100 108x101x14mm fan) depending on exact model). Below is my results on open test station.

Quote:
AXP-100 w/ TY-100 pushing in
Tested with i7 920 stock
Handbrake @ realtime

Room ambient . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust. . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . mobo; NB; Cooler intake*
21.5c . . . . . . . . . 33-34-35-31c 2400rpm 28.0c . . 67-68-67-66c 2400rpm . 39.5c . . 36c . . 51c
22.0c . . . . . . . . . 33-34-35-31c 2250rpm 28.0c . . 68-68-69-67c 2250rpm . 39.5c . . 36c . . 51c . . 30.0c
22.5c . . . . . . . . . 36-35-39-33c 2000rpm 30.0c . . 69-70-70-69c 2000rpm . 40.0c . . 39c . . 51c
22.5c . . . . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1750rpm 29.5c . . 72-73-73-71c 1750rpm . 43.0c . . 40c . . 54c
22.5c . . . . . . . . ; 35-35-39-34c 1500rpm 30.0c . . 76-78-77-75c 1500rpm . 47.0c . . 40c . . 57c
23.0c . . . . . . . . . 37-36-41-36c 1200rpm 31.0c; 39c & 46c mobo & NB
2400rpm is maximum rpm mounted pushing in
*Temperature of air 30mm above TY-100

I re-ran a couple of the fan pushing in tests. Intake air is much warmer than room ambient.

AXP-100 w/ TY-100 pulling out
Tested with i7 920 stock
Handbrake @ realtime

Room ambient . Idle CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust. . 100% CPU; rpm; Cooler Exhaust . mobo; NB; Cooler intake*
21.5c . . . . . . . . 32-31-35-31c 2450rpm 26.0c . . 62-62-63-61c 2450rpm . 33.5c . . 34c . . 46c
21.5c . . . . . . . . 33-31-35-31c 2250rpm 25.5c . . 63-64-65-63c 2250rpm . 34.5c . . 37c . . 45c
21.5c . . . . . . . . 33-32-37-33c 2000rpm 30.0c . . 64-65-65-64c 2000rpm . 35.5c . . 34c . . 48c
21.5c . . . . . . . . 35-34-39-34c 1750rpm 28.5c . . 66-67-66-65c 1750rpm . 37.5c . . 35c . . 50c
21.5c . . . . . . . . 34-33-38-32c 1500rpm 27.0c . . 69-70-70-69c 1500rpm . 39.5c . . 34c . . 51c
21.0c . . . . . . . . 35-34-38-33c 1200rpm 28.0c; 34c & 47c mobo & NB
*I neglected to put a probe under cooler, sorry.
. 2450rpm is maximum rpm mounted pulling out


Running TY-100 pushing in again and finding the heat difference is because of air temperature over cooler / fan intake. Idling at 2400rpm the air 30mm above AXP-100 is 28.5c with 22c ambient. That's with a TY-140 40cm away and 15cm above work top blowing 22c ambient over test setup.

From now own I'm going to worry more about what actual cooler intake temperature is than ambient temperature.
Quote:
January 12, 2013
I helped a mate build a gaming sytem in Silverston RVZ01-E case years ago. We used AXP-100. Case has 83mm CPU clearance with vent directly over CPU so we used 120mm fan on AXP-100 so total height with fan was 71mm and it worked very well. Only problem was finding thin intake fans for GPU side. Think they were a Scythe fan, but can't remember model.
05-25-2020 04:34 PM
ciarlatano
Quote: Originally Posted by gerikoh View Post
The cases that I'm looking at now requires no more than 83mm of clearance. I'm currently looking at Dogzilla's suggestions. Thanks, I'll be looking at the PH-TC12LS as well.
The Silverstone NT06-PRO is a significantly better cooler than the TC12LS. I've owned and thoroughly tested both. The NT06 punches way above it's weight class while the TC12LS is very average. I'm a huge Phanteks advocate, but the TC12LS and TC14S are their flops.
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