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predalien 02-28-2015 09:11 PM

I am building another computer for a home theater.I need some advice on what I should go for. I will be hooking this pc up to a 70 inch television.


I am always open to suggestions. So what would you go for?

what air cooler should I go for?

Parts I already own

Geforce GTX 650 Ti 2gb Reference model

Hardrives

2 western digital black 2.5 in drives



Here is the list I am going with so far.


Case

SILVERSTONE Grandia Series GD10B Aluminum HTPC for ATX / Micro-ATX / SSI-CEB Computer Case



Power Supply


CORSAIR HXi CP-9020072-NA 750W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Power Supply

Ram

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL


CPU Which I plan on overclocking


Intel Pentium G3258 Haswell Dual-Core 3.2GHz LGA 1150 53W Desktop Processor BX80646G3258



ssd

SAMSUNG 850 EVO-Series MZ-75E120B/AM 2.5" 120GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive (SSD)


Operating system

Microsoft Windows 8.1 Pro - Full Version (32 & 64-bit)

huzzug 02-28-2015 09:26 PM

You would not need that big PSU for the build. Any decent 450W would be plenty. Also, what motherboard will you be using ??

predalien 02-28-2015 09:30 PM

For a motherboard

ASUS MAXIMUS VII IMPACT LGA 1150 Intel Z97 HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Mini ITX Intel Motherboard


What do you suggest for a solid power supply I am not cheaping out on a power supply?

huzzug 02-28-2015 09:41 PM

Something like this. Also, for motherboard, i'd recommend Gigabyte, unless you prefer Asus.

MythTFLfan29 02-28-2015 09:43 PM

Rosewill Capstone series is pretty good, along with most Seasonic or Silverstone , though they will cost more than the Rosewill. Antec has a few choice units as well. You can always check the PSU thread here and find the recommeded PSU's in a certain wattage range. Hope those will give you some clarity. thumb.gif

mathelm 02-28-2015 09:46 PM

If you ever want to add actual TV to it, windows 7 with media center may be a better choice, as both it and 8 are to get win 10 free...

And check out pcpartpicker....

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 09:52 PM

Even this would be enough for your build http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371033&cm_re=antec_earthwatts_green-_-17-371-033-_-Product

Will you be playing any 4k content? If so you will want an i3 over the Pentium.

RAND0M1ZER 02-28-2015 09:54 PM

Honestly dude, is there any reason you don't just get an Intel NUC or something similar?

I have been using XBMC on a Chromebox and I am very happy with it

predalien 02-28-2015 10:22 PM

Thank-you again folks for your advice as always and i made some changes. I have a huge steam library so gaming on a 70 inch t.v is a must.


Case


Fractal Design FD-CA-NODE-804-BL Black Aluminum / Steel Micro ATX Cube Case Computer Case ATX PSUs up to 260 mm deep Power Supply



Motherboard

GIGABYTE GA-H81M-DS2V LGA 1150 Intel H81 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard


Processor

Intel Pentium G3258 Haswell Dual-Core 3.2GHz LGA 1150 53W Desktop Processor BX80646G3258


Memory

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL


Cpu Cooler

CORSAIR Hydro Series H50 120mm Quiet Edition Liquid CPU Cooler – Intel Only


SSD


SAMSUNG 850 EVO



Operating System

Windows 81.


Power supply

CORSAIR HXi CP-9020072-NA 750W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Power Supply

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 10:29 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

Thank-you again folks for your advice as always and i made some changes. I have a huge steam library so gaming on a 70 inch t.v is a must.


Case


Fractal Design FD-CA-NODE-804-BL Black Aluminum / Steel Micro ATX Cube Case Computer Case ATX PSUs up to 260 mm deep Power Supply



Motherboard

GIGABYTE GA-H81M-DS2V LGA 1150 Intel H81 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard


Processor

Intel Pentium G3258 Haswell Dual-Core 3.2GHz LGA 1150 53W Desktop Processor BX80646G3258


Memory

G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL


Cpu Cooler

CORSAIR Hydro Series H50 120mm Quiet Edition Liquid CPU Cooler – Intel Only


SSD


SAMSUNG 850 EVO



Operating System

Windows 81.

Corsair H50 is one of the worst AIOs on the entire market. Not worth buying whatsoever. It's worse than a Zalman CNSP8900 while running significantly louder, costing more, and being far more prone to breaking down. If you are going to go AIO you generally want to go at least with an H75 and preferably a better unit than that. Though it's not really necessary here as the Pentiums run really cool. I'd suggest a cheap air cooler like the CNSP8900 which can actually fit in the Node 804.

predalien 02-28-2015 10:31 PM

They don't seem to have it in stock. What else do you suggest for aircooling. I doubt anything from Noctua will fit in this case. Too big lol.

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 10:33 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

They don't seem to have it in stock. What else do you suggest for aircooling. I doubt anything from Noctua will fit in this case. Too big lol.

Anything from Thermalright is great. The Node 804 specs claim 160mm in height though that seems dubious as I have used the case myself. You may be able to fit a single tower cooler in there.

huzzug 02-28-2015 10:35 PM

You also do not need that big of a PSU. Any 450W PSU will do, like the one i linked. How much is the one that you mentioned ??

predalien 02-28-2015 10:39 PM

I own two Noctua coolers and I love them. I was considering this one.

Noctua NH-C14 140mm x 2 SSO CPU Cooler

MythTFLfan29 02-28-2015 10:41 PM

Agreed with MapRef's post in that an air cooler is probably best for an HTPC, several coolers are quieter (or just as quiet without being prone to leaks, grinding sound etc). I have an H60 2013 version in my Arc Mini R2 and it's great but the scythe big shuriken is quieter in my Silverstone HTPC case cooling an i3, aslo maybe Noctua's L9i perhaps if you want something smaller, if not a reputable companys cooler that fits within the size limits would work great. Also if you aren't going to use an optical disc drive (Node 804 only allows a slim slot loading type), you can compare it with the Corsair carbide 240 case. Obviously not as sleek as the F.D. but it cools a little better according to the Anandtech review which might make it easier to run the fans at a lower rpm thus being quieter. Just my 2 cents, but enjoy your build none-the-less. You should be pleased with it's peformance smile.gif

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 10:43 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

I own two Noctua coolers and I love them. I was considering this one.

Noctua NH-C14 140mm x 2 SSO CPU Cooler

I doubt that will fit with any fans. You'd need something like the U9B more than likely. You're likely only going to want to use one fan in the HTPC as well. You don't want any additional noise getting in the way of your movies.

mathelm 02-28-2015 10:50 PM

There's nothing wrong with a H 50. Corsair makes good stuff. But with that case, and it being a HTPC, I too would stick with air cooling. But with the G3258 there's no need for an aftermarket one as the stock intel cooler will handle it just fine. Though depending on how much gaming you'll be doing, you may want to go ahead and do a I5 setup

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 10:53 PM

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Originally Posted by mathelm View Post

There's nothing wrong with a H 50. Corsair makes good stuff. But with that case, and it being a HTPC, I too would stick with air cooling. But with the G3258 there's no need for an aftermarket one as the stock intel cooler will handle it just fine. Though depending on how much gaming you'll be doing, you may want to go ahead and do a I5 setup

Sorry but you are wrong. The H50 is pure garbage and shouldn't even be sold anymore. It's one of the original AIOs and significantly worse than the recent 120 units from Corsair (which aren't that great, but decent). OP may be buying the Pentium with the idea of overclocking it pretty hard in which case the stock cooler doesn't do over 1.25v very well.

predalien 02-28-2015 10:54 PM

I do not plan on using an optical disk drive. I will just install windows 8.1 from a flashdrive. I will overlock the hell out of this cpu. I heard if you overlock it pretty high it is as good as an i7

What are the best water-cooling options?

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

I do not plan on using an optical disk drive. I will just install windows 8.1 from a flashdrive

What are the best water-cooling options?

At least a Corsair H75. You certainly don't need a high end AIO for a Pentium or anything. However keep in mind that you will have to deal with the pump noise, louder fans, and the chance of something failing that requires you to replace the entire unit (while an air cooler has nothing that can fail other than the fans). For some the noise is enough to totally turn them off from using an AIO in an HTPC.

predalien 02-28-2015 11:00 PM

I agree that is why I go for aircooling in my systems

How ABOUT THIS?


Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan

huzzug 02-28-2015 11:01 PM

If you will not be gaming or light gaming, have you considered the idea of going with an AMD APU ??

predalien 02-28-2015 11:02 PM

Moderate Gaming is what I am looking at. Most of my games at medium settings.

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 11:03 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

I agree that is why I go for aircooling in my systems

How ABOUT THIS?


Cooler Master Hyper 212 EVO - CPU Cooler with 120 mm PWM Fan

If you can get that to fit in a Node 804 then it would be exactly what you need. Just use only one fan with it and you'll have a dead silent cooler that keeps your CPU cool.

predalien 02-28-2015 11:10 PM

I don't think that cooler is going to fit. Plus I want to overlock that processor. So I am seeing water cooling as an option.

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

I just don't want to but that cooler and it doesnt fit. Plus I want to overlock that processor. So I am seeing water cooling as an option.

You can easily max a Pentium on a Hyper 212. They only draw about 90 watts at 1.4v:



Hyper 212 is about equal to an H75, potentially slightly better.

predalien 02-28-2015 11:16 PM

Water cooler with noctua fans. I think wont be that bad. What are my best options for a 120mm water cooler?

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 11:20 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

Water cooler with noctua fans. I think wont be that bad.

You'd have a quieter build then but still the pump noise. AIOs also don't do well with low RPM fans, performance degrades quite a bit.

predalien 02-28-2015 11:25 PM

For a Processor I think I will go for an i5

Intel Core i5-4460

As for an Air Cooling option. How about this?

Rosewill RCX-Z1 Long life ball bearing for over 45,000/hrs CPU Cooler

and I can replace the fan with a noctua fan

Cooler Master Hyper T2 - Compact CPU Cooler with Dual Looped Direct Contact Heatpipes

predalien 02-28-2015 11:38 PM

or

Cooler Master GeminII M4 - CPU Cooler with 4 Direct Contact Heatpipes


Or use the stock heatsink?

MapRef41N93W 02-28-2015 11:56 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by predalien View Post

For a Processor I think I will go for an i5

Intel Core i5-4460

As for an Air Cooling option. How about this?

Rosewill RCX-Z1 Long life ball bearing for over 45,000/hrs CPU Cooler

and I can replace the fan with a noctua fan

Cooler Master Hyper T2 - Compact CPU Cooler with Dual Looped Direct Contact Heatpipes

Quote:
Originally Posted by predalien View Post

or

Cooler Master GeminII M4 - CPU Cooler with 4 Direct Contact Heatpipes


Or use the stock heatsink?

You will need to replace the stock cooler for over 1.25 volts. It can theoretically "keep it cool" but that will require the fan to spin up really fast and loud. I belive the T2 is the best of those coolers but I am no expert on those lower end HSF's.

predalien 03-01-2015 12:53 AM

this cooler will fit I am pretty sure of it

Noctua NH-L12 120mm & 92mm SSO Bearing PWM Fans CPU Cooler


Here is a video of guy doing a build with a bigger heatsink

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_02EP9oePmU

mathelm 03-01-2015 01:38 AM

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Originally Posted by MapRef41N93W View Post

Sorry but you are wrong. The H50 is pure garbage and shouldn't even be sold anymore..

And you're biased for some unknown reason or logic. It is so obviously a good product in all respects. One of the best review ratios you'll ever see on newegg, especially considering the number of them...





As for the stock cooler, it should handle between 4 and 4.3 Ghz depending on the OC. A MSI gaming board will do a 4.3 Ghz Auto OC @ 1.256vcore (27c to 74c with a 5 year old H60).

mathelm 03-01-2015 01:50 AM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

I do not plan on using an optical disk drive. I will just install windows 8.1 from a flashdrive. I will overlock the hell out of this cpu. I heard if you overlock it pretty high it is as good as an i7

What are the best water-cooling options?


I've seen comparisons to I5 in some games, but in multiplayer stuff, it seems to bog down. BF3 starts stuttering at about 12 to 16 players (or at least mine did). But I did have all the settings either maxed or close to it, and didn't boot into a single monitor setup like I use to do when I played it alot on my old system...

But the g3258 is cheap, and you can always upgrade it later. And the longer it last, the cheaper a I5/7 will be..... At least that's my line of thought on it... It's a great little chip...

MapRef41N93W 03-01-2015 01:59 AM

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Originally Posted by mathelm View Post

And you're biased for some unknown reason or logic. It is so obviously a good product in all respects. One of the best review ratios you'll ever see on newegg, especially considering the number of them...





As for the stock cooler, it should handle between 4 and 4.3 Ghz depending on the OC. A MSI gaming board will do a 4.3 Ghz Auto OC @ 1.256vcore (27c to 74c with a 5 year old H60).


The H50 is so dated by today's standards of AIOs it isn't even funny.



H50 can't even beat 7 year old single tower coolers like the Titan Ferir or coolers considered rubbish by today's standards like Cooler Master V10.

mathelm 03-01-2015 02:45 AM

To the OP, listening to some of the purest types here can put you in the poor house. For instance, how many have told you about getting windows keys on rededit? I and several here have used this guy (Windows 8.1 Pro $25) without any issues. He's legit and keys are real....

And check out PCpartpicker. You can set it to only use Amazon, and it will point out any compatibility issues and give you an estimated wattage needed...

shilka 03-01-2015 03:48 AM

750 watts is way overkill for that system, how about this one instead since you say you dont want to cheap out?
Rosewill SilentNight

Dont get a Corsair AIO cooler, reason for that is you can air coolers that are better cost less and make less noise and are way more reliable
Last dont get a Corsair PSU either you can get just as good and better for less money elsewhere, take the HXi you picked the EVGA SuperNova G2 is better and cost less.

predalien 03-01-2015 12:45 PM

I really don't trust Newegg reviews the majority of people who do the reviews don't know what they are doing. So they screw it up and end breaking something when they do a build. That is why i ask you folks on what is the best way to do a build. Newegg reviews are good like Wikipedia . You get the basics down and go from there.

MapRef41N93W 03-01-2015 12:49 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

I really don't trust Newegg reviews the majority of people who do the reviews don't know what they are doing. So they screw it up and end breaking something when they do a build. That is why i ask you folks on what is the best way to do a build. Newegg reviews are good like Wikipedia is for doing research for a paper. You get the basics down and go from there.

The vast majority of reviewers on Newegg are novices who really have no idea what they are doing. And the reviews that are real usually get 100/100 thumbs down by other novices who just bought or are thinking about buying the product and aren't happy with the negative review. They are about as bad of a resource that you could use to determine how good a product is. Most of the reviews claiming a product is dead or broken are like you said, the fault of the reviewer.

predalien 03-01-2015 01:02 PM

The parts I have bought off Newegg or amazon have always been solid. Its not like the companies you buy from are going to sell you broken parts. They would loose money in an RMA process.

MapRef41N93W 03-01-2015 01:13 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

The parts I have bought off Newegg or amazon have always been solid. Its not like the companies you buy from are going to sell you broken parts. They would loose money in an RMA process.

Yeah getting a brand new part DOA is very unlikely. Not saying it doesn't happen, but it's like 1/1000 (more depending on the part, like CPUs are probably 1/100,000). The only part I have ever received dead was an OEM disk drive I bought like 4 years ago and that was because the moving part was broken, and most PC components don't have moving parts.

predalien 03-01-2015 01:45 PM

Here is the final rundown of my build. I am going to order the parts tonight.

Here are parts I currently own

GTX 650 Ti 2gb Refrence
2 1tb 2.5 inch drives



Case

Corsair Carbride 240


Power Supply


CORSAIR HXi CP-9020072-NA 750W ATX12V / EPS12V 80 PLUS PLATINUM Certified Full Modular Power Supply


Motherboard

GIGABYTE GA-H81M-DS2V LGA 1150 Intel H81 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 Micro ATX Intel Motherboard


Processor


Intel Pentium G3258 Haswell Dual-Core 3.2GHz LGA 1150 53W Desktop Processor BX80646G3258


Cooler


Noctua NH-C14 140mm x 2 SSO CPU Cooler



SSD


SAMSUNG 850 EVO-Series MZ-75E120B/AM 2.5" 120GB SATA III 3-D Vertical Internal Solid State Drive


Operating system


Windows 8.1


Memory


G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB

predalien 03-01-2015 02:11 PM

or this for a cpu cooler


CORSAIR Hydro Series H105 Extreme Performance 240mm Liquid CPU Cooler, CW-9060016-WW

MapRef41N93W 03-01-2015 02:21 PM

This is what I would build for an HTPC personally

PCPartPicker part list: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/94ckyc
Price breakdown by merchant: http://pcpartpicker.com/p/94ckyc/by_merchant/

CPU: Intel Core i3-4160 3.6GHz Dual-Core Processor ($114.98 @ OutletPC)
Motherboard: ASRock H97M Anniversary Micro ATX LGA1150 Motherboard ($68.98 @ OutletPC)
Memory: Team Xtreem Dark Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) DDR3-1600 Memory ($54.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: Sandisk Ultra Plus 128GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($58.84 @ Amazon)
Case: Fractal Design Node 804 MicroATX Mid Tower Case ($79.99 @ NCIX US)
Power Supply: Antec EarthWatts Green 380W 80+ Bronze Certified ATX Power Supply ($31.98 @ Newegg)
Operating System: Microsoft Windows 8.1 (OEM) (64-bit) ($87.75 @ OutletPC)
Total: $497.51
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2015-03-01 17:17 EST-0500

i3 can handle H.264 4K without dropping frames. You also won't need an aftermarket cooler as the stock cooler can handle that i3 while remaining very quiet.

You also didn't mention a sound card. Are you planning on pushing any kind of serious surround sound setup?

predalien 03-01-2015 02:22 PM

I will be hooking this up hdmi

shilka 03-01-2015 02:30 PM

You still dont need 750 watts for that system and again why do you want to buy a Corsair HXi when the EVGA SuperNova G2 is both better AND cheaper.
700-750 watts comparison thread

predalien 03-01-2015 02:32 PM

I think I want to look for a i5


I really like your suggestion but i want some more power for a cpu

How about ths i5



Intel Core i5-4460

huzzug 03-01-2015 10:41 PM

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Originally Posted by predalien View Post

I think I want to look for a i5


I really like your suggestion but i want some more power for a cpu

How about ths i5



Intel Core i5-4460

No matter how much you overclock your CPU & GPU, you'd never be able to make either of them break 500W (?) combined even if you volt modded your current setup to the extreme running LN2. You'd just be wasting money by going with an 750W on just a light weight system.

Vici0us 03-02-2015 12:38 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by predalien View Post

I think I want to look for a i5


I really like your suggestion but i want some more power for a cpu

How about ths i5



Intel Core i5-4460
You don't need an i5 for HTPC, it'd be a waste. Get Pentium G3258 or i3. Since you want to overclock than go with a cheap Z97 board like, Z97 PC Mate. CM Hyper 212 is good enough to OC with those chips.
Also, you could go for FX-8320 if you really want to OC and play around. It's same price as any decent i3.

predalien 03-06-2015 08:55 PM

My Television has RGB but not HDMI. Are there any adapters you could suggest that are HDMI to RGB?


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