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Sencha 04-22-2015 10:02 AM

So it seems Zowie are releasing a new mouse in 3 sizes.

Press release
http://www.zowiegear.com/index.php?i=news&p=63

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http://www.maxfps.se/zowie
Quote:
ZOWIE FK1 and FK2 mice have been very popular among fans of ambidextrous shapes, but ZOWIE understands that nothing is perfect. This includes the shape of mice. ZA series comes as an answer for the gamers who want to rest their palms on the mouse and those looking for a mouse which is easier to lift with a claw grip. In stark contrast with the FK series, the new ZA series has increased height on the back of the mouse to cater for people who like ambidextrous mice but want to be able to rest their palm comfortably on top of their mouse.

Ino's Write up & Video Review
Loads of info, impressions and pics in this fine thread by Ino.
https://www.overclock.net/t/1554361/zowie-za11-pictures-thoughts-and-facts-by-ino
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pgabor 04-22-2015 10:17 AM

I love my FK1, and other than the click latency, my only problem with it was the lack off "ass". These mice will fix those two problems (I'm pretty sure that after that the new EC series fixed the click latency problem, these will have low latency as well). These seem like the perfect mice for me.

More pictures of the ZA12:




DAT ASS

a_ak57 04-22-2015 10:20 AM

Quote:
the new ZA series has increased height on the back of the mouse

smile.gif

boogdud 04-22-2015 10:23 AM

Hmmm, not sure about the position of those side buttons, looks to me like avior 7000 levels of accidentally clicking the far side.

pgabor 04-22-2015 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by boogdud View Post

Hmmm, not sure about the position of those side buttons, looks to me like avior 7000 levels of accidentally clicking the far side.

Only one side active at the time, you can set it which one.

Oeshon 04-22-2015 10:28 AM

I am using a FK1 at the moment and I also would prefer a bigger back. I think this will also fix another problem, the increase in height might make the mouse even more comfortable for claw grip and make it less likely to hit the right side buttons accidentally if you have a big hand, which is something that does happen to me.

So yeah looking forward to this.

Oeshon 04-22-2015 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by pgabor View Post

Only one side active at the time, you can set it which one.

It is not about the side buttons being active but more about the annoyance when you accidentally click them. It would be better if Zowie included a small plastic cap that you could put on the side of the side buttons that you don't use, this way the whole side of the mouse if free for your pinky and ring finger.

boogdud 04-22-2015 10:35 AM

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Originally Posted by pgabor View Post

Only one side active at the time, you can set it which one.

I can set them to do nothing on the avior as well, it still is annoying and distracting enough for me to never use the mouse.

Though I don't have any trouble with the fk1/2 buttons so hopefully this one will be better. Just at first glance the avior came to mind. Of course Zowie doesn't use side buttons that jut out really far, so there's that...


Good that they're providing new shapes though.

Here's to hoping they make an improved mico with side bottons biggrin.gif

AnimalK 04-22-2015 10:36 AM

Man Zowie really does pay attention to us. It's hard to resist becoming a Zowie fanboy/fangirl.

I just wish they would address the poor scrollwheels.

EDIT: looking at the side pics, I can't help but think of the Sensei shape. I am excited.

Ino. 04-22-2015 10:44 AM

Instabuy!
Sweeeeeeet!

But why are they on maxfps.se yet not on the official Zowie site?

Sencha 04-22-2015 10:50 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ino. View Post

Instabuy!
Sweeeeeeet!

But why are they on maxfps.se yet not on the official Zowie site?

Don't know,

What size you in for? I'll be going for the 11. Insta buy for me as well

Aventadoor 04-22-2015 10:51 AM

Seriously, why couldent they just make a taller and wider FK?
I honestly dont see the point of this mouse

Ino. 04-22-2015 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Aventadoor View Post

Seriously, why couldent they just make a taller and wider FK?
I honestly dont see the point of this mouse

FK=claw
ZA=palm

It reminds me of the rival with the hump, I like that. I'm already happy with the FK1 but this one last looks great too.

I'll be going for the 11 too.

Does anyone know who ZA is? Another CS guy I suppose?

AnimalK 04-22-2015 11:00 AM

They all appear to have the same length. I will be going for the widest of the three (which most closely matches the Sensei measurements): the ZA 11.

Aventadoor 04-22-2015 11:02 AM

Its still not a wide mouse tho. Sensei is 67mm, probably around 63-64mm where you actually grip it.
Im kinda torn wether us sensei lovers like me would like this shape.

I have a hybrid grip I think... My fingers rest on the mouse, but the back of my palm isent touching... So it looks like it could be good.

AnimalK 04-22-2015 11:08 AM

The ZA11 is most likely 1 to 3 mm thinner across the board.

Because I immediately thought of the Sensei shape, I am trying to pick the mouse which will most likely fit me well.

I like the Sensei shape a lot and I also like the FK1 shape a lot. The ZA11 appears to be the logical choice for me.

popups 04-22-2015 11:12 AM

They should have talked to me. I sent them a lot of feedback during the FK development period.

The side buttons look improved, same with the main button piece.

jayfkay 04-22-2015 11:15 AM

alright Ino make sure to make a review and post a lot of pics with your hand on the mouse as well smile.gif

again my complaint would be: too much damned rubber...

LegoFarmer 04-22-2015 11:21 AM

I find the FK1 to fit me better than this type of shape. When I use an ambi mouse, I like my palm not touching it completely, but still being there. Same with ergo mice like the EC1-A. The bottom of my palm makes contact, but it is just air from there. Won't be buying, but I am glad Zowie is being more diverse. Gonna stick to my EC1-A and MLT04 mice.

popups 04-22-2015 11:41 AM

It looks like an "improved" FK in different sizes. Like they added some of the traits of the AM into the FK: taller rear arch, straighter side buttons. The main button piece looks to bend differently than the FK1/2. The ZA12 is the size of the FK2 (if I remember the dimensions correctly).

Why make 3 new molds yet keep the single top piece design and lower front height? They should have made a separate button piece to get rid of the click issues. Also, they should have raised the height of the front for a more natural arch and to give more room on the side for your 2 fingers.

boogdud 04-22-2015 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by popups View Post

The side buttons look improved, same with the main button piece.

They look pretty similar to ec1/2 side buttons, but it's hard to tell if they're that big.

shatterboxd3 04-22-2015 11:45 AM

Side profile looks nice. Might have to wait and see how it compares to a Rival in terms of filling out the hand. My only gripe with the rival is really it's weight so this could be a good pick up. Will be waiting to see how others like it though.

Looks like they got rid of the LED scroll wheel too, like some people here wanted.

CtrlAltel1te 04-22-2015 11:48 AM

Shape looks promising and very nice that they are offering three different widths.

 

I like there rubber coating a lot, I have used there ec2 for a long time.

 

But the button latency and sensor behavior is for me to much a con.

 

Curious if they used a 24 notch wheel probably they have but I really like there first FK with the 12 indentations.


popups 04-22-2015 11:58 AM

I just ordered an Avior 7000 and G303. The plan was to return what I don't like. If I returned both, I would settle on a FK1 because the Castor isn't out yet. If Mionix had released the Castor in April-May I would have bought the Castor over the G303, Avior 7000, FK1 and ZA11. I will most likely send the Avior 7000 back because it will be too heavy and the right side buttons will bother me. The G303 will likely get sent back because of the shape and the tracking issue that still remains since the G502.

zeflow 04-22-2015 12:06 PM

Release date predictions? Going for the 11 for sure.

popups 04-22-2015 12:16 PM

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Originally Posted by zeflow View Post

Release date predictions? Going for the 11 for sure.

Who is the marketing guy currently?

a_ak57 04-22-2015 12:16 PM

Unless those pictures aren't to scale, turns out the mice are actually different lengths as well:



Probably an extra 2-3mm in length for each model would be my guess.

boogdud 04-22-2015 12:33 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

Unless those pictures aren't to scale, turns out the mice are actually different lengths as well:

Probably an extra 2-3mm in length for each model would be my guess.

I was wondering why they didn't include length in the pics since they're obviously descending in length from left to right. Interested in the small one (unless the smallest is just the same size as the fk / fk2).

mitavreb 04-22-2015 12:35 PM

So many gaming mice for the claw and fingertip grip players. I'm kinda envious since palm grippers have few choices. biggrin.gif

Seriously this is what Logitech should be doing. They should release different mouse shapes for the three grips. Zowie is doing it right. FK - for claw and fingertip. EC - for palm. And now these mice, and I think this looks like a hybrid palm with either claw or fingertip.

popups 04-22-2015 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by boogdud View Post

I was wondering why they didn't include length in the pics since they're obviously descending in length from left to right. Interested in the small one (unless the smallest is just the same size as the fk / fk2).
The ZA13 is smaller than the FK2.

https://www.overclock.net/t/1432003/zowie-announce-ec-evo-cl-series/60_20#post_21051036

AnimalK 04-22-2015 12:37 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

Unless those pictures aren't to scale, turns out the mice are actually different lengths as well:

Probably an extra 2-3mm in length for each model would be my guess.

I need to get my eyes examined lol.

Thanks for bothering to check.

popups 04-22-2015 12:40 PM

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Originally Posted by AnimalK View Post

I need to get my eyes examined lol.

Thanks for bothering to check.

The lengths are probably: 128mm, 124mm, 120mm.

It's like a Sensei, Kana and Kinzu line-up, but they all have the same features.

Sencha 04-22-2015 12:47 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Ino. View Post

FK=claw
ZA=palm

It reminds me of the rival with the hump, I like that. I'm already happy with the FK1 but this one last looks great too.

I'll be going for the 11 too.

Does anyone know who ZA is? Another CS guy I suppose?

Don't know. Maybe they are dropping names and its just Zowie Ambi...

Actually no it can't be that. LOL

eysen 04-22-2015 01:10 PM

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popups 04-22-2015 01:14 PM




fLixiyo 04-22-2015 01:20 PM

Just bought an FK1... but you know, I guess I have too much money anyway. ZA11 it is.

I have given up trying ergonomic mice. I never found one that was 100% comfortable to me ..
The only thing about the FK1 that annoys me is the height, so ZA11 is going to be the perfect mouse for me I guess.

CorruptBE 04-22-2015 01:31 PM

Wonder if they'll have technical improvements as well. Button latency cough* cough*.

MLJS54 04-22-2015 01:32 PM

Nice. ZA11 is going to be pretty tight. +1 for a clean black/white color scheme.

mitavreb 04-22-2015 01:35 PM

Only 1 mm in height difference. Will that even be noticeable?

LegoFarmer 04-22-2015 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by CorruptBE View Post

Wonder if they'll have technical improvements as well. Button latency cough* cough*.
Probably the FK1 PCB with EC1-A latency, so only 5ms. That's more than acceptable.

fLixiyo 04-22-2015 01:52 PM

For the ZA11 its 3mm difference.

I think its definitely noticeable, the difference between FK 2014 and FK1 felt like two different worlds imo.

popups 04-22-2015 02:05 PM

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Originally Posted by MLJS54 View Post

Nice. ZA11 is going to be pretty tight. +1 for a clean black/white color scheme.
The ZA reminds me of something.



Quote:
Originally Posted by mitavreb View Post

Only 1 mm in height difference. Will that even be noticeable?
1mm of height can be noticeable to some. 2mm of difference is noticeable by many.

AnimalK 04-22-2015 02:18 PM

I believe it has less to do with maximal height and more to do with hump position and shape.

fLixiyo 04-22-2015 02:22 PM

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Originally Posted by popups View Post

The ZA reminds me of something.


1mm of height can be noticeable to some. 2mm of difference is noticeable by many.


ZA11 prototype? Kappa

mrvirtualboy 04-22-2015 02:27 PM

Warning: Spoiler! (Click to show)
More pictures of the ZA12:



At first glance, it looks like the Rival and the WMO (two of my favorite shapes) mixed into one.

Hype is so real. Here's hoping they improve the scroll wheel from the FK. Mine makes me jump randomly in-game sometimes, and other times doesn't work at all. It really takes away from what's otherwise my current favorite mouse.

popups 04-22-2015 02:28 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by fLixiyo View Post

ZA11 prototype? Kappa

Naww.. I'm just a psychic.


This would have been a lot better than a ZA version of the FK.

I'm not surprised Zowie stuck to the AM PCB design and made a funky redesign of the shell.

espgodson 04-22-2015 02:55 PM

god i hope the buttons feel closer to the EC than the FK. FK buttons are so damn stiff

wmoftw 04-22-2015 03:06 PM

any info on weight?

when can someone in NA buy one?

popups 04-22-2015 03:19 PM

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Originally Posted by espgodson View Post

god i hope the buttons feel closer to the EC than the FK. FK buttons are so damn stiff
It uses the same PCB as the AM/FK. So the switches are further forward than the EC. Meaning, it cannot be the same as the EC.

atarii 04-22-2015 03:25 PM

would be so nice to see omron on these mice
but i already know it won't happen so... frown.gif

jayfkay 04-22-2015 03:27 PM

Cant you just replace the switches?

popups 04-22-2015 03:39 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by atarii View Post

would be so nice to see omron on these mice
but i already know it won't happen so... frown.gif
Quote:
Originally Posted by jayfkay View Post

Cant you just replace the switches?

It's not about the switches.

The ZA has a different button piece than the FK.

jayfkay 04-22-2015 03:55 PM

What?? Button piece? No idea what you mean. Huano switches are extremely similar to Omrons so why cant they be replaced in Zowie mice and what does the FK have to do with that?

popups 04-22-2015 04:07 PM

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Originally Posted by jayfkay View Post

What?? Button piece? No idea what you mean. Huano switches are extremely similar to Omrons so why cant they be replaced in Zowie mice and what does the FK have to do with that?

http://futabatei4mei.blogspot.com/2013/05/zowie-fk.html

https://www.overclock.net/t/1552218/zowie-za-11-12-13-mouse/20_20#post_23824519

http://1.share.photo.xuite.net/y0922062565/11b3e01/5582419/216186286_x.jpg

http://1.share.photo.xuite.net/y0922062565/11b3e46/5582419/216186867_x.jpg

http://cdn.overclock.net/8/86/86f5e396_image.jpeg

SwantanamoJ 04-22-2015 04:16 PM

Looks wonderful. thumb.gif

CorruptBE 04-22-2015 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by LegoFarmer View Post

Probably the FK1 PCB with EC1-A latency, so only 5ms. That's more than acceptable.

Might get one then, I like huano's their feedback but better latency is always nice + I always preferred the AM shape more (though I can play just fine with FK2).

justnvc 04-22-2015 05:03 PM

There is such a thing as too much choice, not going to buy because I don't know which one I'd need.

aLv1080 04-22-2015 05:03 PM

I'll pass these mice.
Actually, I might buy the ZA13 just for testing, but I'm not a big fan of mice with butt.

Dreyka 04-22-2015 05:17 PM

It seems they are offering three different sizes. They will likely end up phasing out the least popular sizes at some point due to cost. The white and black design actually looks nice.


jayfkay 04-22-2015 05:22 PM

@popups
You didnt answer my question. Why wont we be able to replace the Huanos for Omrons in the ZA?

cryptos9099 04-22-2015 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by jayfkay View Post

@popups
You didnt answer my question. Why wont we be able to replace the Huanos for Omrons in the ZA?

I think what he is trying to say is the shell is slightly different in such a way that the button doesn't travel far enough to actuate the Omrons

popups 04-22-2015 07:09 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by justnvc View Post

There is such a thing as too much choice, not going to buy because I don't know which one I'd need.
The ZA12 is the size of the FK/FK13/FK2. The ZA13 is smaller than the FK/FK13/FK2. The ZA11 is the size of the FK1.

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Originally Posted by jayfkay View Post

@popups
You didnt answer my question. Why wont we be able to replace the Huanos for Omrons in the ZA?

You can replace the Huanos switches with Omrons.

I was saying that the button piece caused a lot of resistance on the FK1/FK2, making the actuation force on the higher end regardless of switches. So you might be disappointed after you solder some Omrons switches into the shell of the FK1/2 and possible the ZA. I linked a website showing the effort needed to remedy that issue by using a dremel.

The ZA mice have a different shape to the button piece, that should help with the actuation force issue the FK1/2 has. Which means it may not be necessary to swap out the Huano switches or dremel the button piece. I expect the ZA mice to reuse the AM/FK PCB, that means the ZA mice should be using the lighter [blue] Huano switches.

The ZA mice are basically a FK with the rear of an AM, side buttons like an AM, an improved button piece and a different color scroll wheel. I doubt they did anything inside -- that's why the front is still very low.

Brightmist 04-22-2015 07:36 PM

Nothing to see here, just palm/clawgrip mice ?

woll3 04-22-2015 07:54 PM

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Originally Posted by popups View Post

 I doubt they did anything inside -- that's why the front is still very low.

 

Would be expected of Zowie, that shape isnt to my liking anyway, looks like it would simply force some weird kind of clawgrip one me considering length and arch, doesnt seem well thought out imo.


sonskusa 04-22-2015 08:14 PM

looks like an ambidextrous rival. smallest size may be passable for fingertip, would've preferred straighter sides tho. I'll probably pass on this one for that reason + the 4 side buttons.

Cloudy 04-22-2015 10:11 PM

How stiff were the FK1/2's buttons compared to the EC's? I'm sort of falling out of love with EC2's huano's because of their "stiffness". If these are a little bit less stiff, I might be eyeing this instead of the Castor.

aleexkrysel 04-22-2015 10:20 PM

Shame, really like the tall hump in the back, but Zowie mice are too stiff for my liking. Main reason I sent back my EC2a.

espgodson 04-22-2015 10:44 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloudy View Post

How stiff were the FK1/2's buttons compared to the EC's? I'm sort of falling out of love with EC2's huano's because of their "stiffness". If these are a little bit less stiff, I might be eyeing this instead of the Castor.

fk buttons are more stiff than ec's

exitone 04-22-2015 10:55 PM

Zowie literally spend 1 week making shell changes to a mouse then disappear for another 6 months.

popups 04-22-2015 10:58 PM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Cloudy View Post

How stiff were the FK1/2's buttons compared to the EC's? I'm sort of falling out of love with EC2's huano's because of their "stiffness". If these are a little bit less stiff, I might be eyeing this instead of the Castor.

Unless Zowie uses switches that are light enough to actuate when you rest your finger on the button you will be greatly disappointed because the switches are located further forward than those on the EC. Purely based on the switch placement on the PCB, any switch used on the AM/FK PCB will be perceived as stiffer.

Just buy the Castor.

auzcar 04-22-2015 11:44 PM

I'm gonna be honest guys, I almost wet my pants. With the hump closer to the back this should resemble the Sensei even more, I still do not understand why they didn't make the largest one as wide as the Sensei though, this is something the community has been crying over for a very long time. Personally I really like the FK1 but the lack of support, both width and height, makes my hand cramp after a while, the perfect shape for me is definitely the Sensei. Looking at the ZA11 I think that the bigger hump/height as well as the hump being further back will cure my cramping issues, despite still have the same width. I pre-ordered the ZA11 so fast when I saw this that not even Bruce Lee could've understood what the f*** just happened.

Sencha 04-23-2015 12:53 AM

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Originally Posted by auzcar View Post

. I pre-ordered the ZA11 so fast when I saw this that not even Bruce Lee could've understood what the f*** just happened.

LOL

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PhiZaRoaH 04-23-2015 12:54 AM

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Originally Posted by auzcar View Post

I'm gonna be honest guys, I almost wet my pants. With the hump closer to the back this should resemble the Sensei even more, I still do not understand why they didn't make the largest one as wide as the Sensei though, this is something the community has been crying over for a very long time. Personally I really like the FK1 but the lack of support, both width and height, makes my hand cramp after a while, the perfect shape for me is definitely the Sensei. Looking at the ZA11 I think that the bigger hump/height as well as the hump being further back will cure my cramping issues, despite still have the same width. I pre-ordered the ZA11 so fast when I saw this that not even Bruce Lee could've understood what the f*** just happened.

Where exactly did you pre order?? I saw nothing on their site.

auzcar 04-23-2015 12:57 AM

MaxFPS - http://www.maxfps.se/

bigtastie 04-23-2015 02:57 AM

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Originally Posted by LegoFarmer View Post

Probably the FK1 PCB with EC1-A latency, so only 5ms. That's more than acceptable.

5 ms - I thought it was much higher. Source on this?

eysen 04-23-2015 03:46 AM

http://www.zowiegear.com/index.php?i=news&p=63

discoprince 04-23-2015 03:54 AM

ok zowie, im game.

might get a 13 or a 12.
getting a xai vibe from this.

Necroblob 04-23-2015 04:16 AM

This shape looks good and the 80g weight on the ZA13 is tempting.

It's either the ZA13 or the ROG Sica... I will probably wait for a few reviews, but May looks like a good month for mice and a bad month for my bank balance.

aleexkrysel 04-23-2015 04:39 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Necroblob View Post

This shape looks good and the 80g weight on the ZA13 is tempting.

It's either the ZA13 or the ROG Sica... I will probably wait for a few reviews, but May looks like a good month for mice and a bad month for my bank balance.
I'm in the same boat. Might give the ZA a shot after all, just because the shape looks like exactly what I want. However, I honestly don't know which model to pick though...

wmoftw 04-23-2015 04:42 AM

ZA13 = 80g :O

I need to try one! Any word on NA availability?

Bcider 04-23-2015 06:48 AM

I really liked my Zowie FK but until they use different switches I cannot go back to Zowie. The switches they use for the mouse buttons are horrible for Mobas, RTS, and basically anything that requires fast clicking.

ramraze 04-23-2015 07:22 AM

Looks quite nice but slightly worried about the width. Whenever I would trackaim even a little with fk2/fk1, I would feel my hand shaking back and forth, unable to stay on dodging enemies. I'm happy that they realized the need for more height, but width is quite important too. It's still a farcry from xai. I would go for the Za11 bc it's the widest of them.
Fail at Alberto from marketing. I asked him on fb about the coating, and he replied that it's the same as Fk1/Fk2 and Ec-A series. Fail. The difference between them is night and day. There is a felt difference even between fk2 and fk1. At least on the different models that i've tested.

frown.gif I hope it's rubberized enough to avoid tacky sweat, and grippy enough for dry hands. At least the \ / shape is a welcomed sight.

a_ak57 04-23-2015 07:40 AM

I'm in the camp of being unsure which one to get as well. With the way I claw I like shorter mice, but I don't like that the smaller ones give up width too. And it's hard to asses based on the FK1/2 dimensions because the higher butt is gonna make them feel way different (like how the G9X is my favorite shape, but a mouse that short with the FK shape would be horrid for me).

Makes me wish Zowie was a more well-known company and I could actually try their stuff out in stores.

ramraze 04-23-2015 08:05 AM

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Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post


Makes me wish Zowie was a more well-known company and I could actually try their stuff out in stores.

It's called Amazon. Send back if don't like. Ask for compensation for mailing expenses. Done

a_ak57 04-23-2015 08:12 AM

Can you actually send something back that you've used simply on the grounds that you don't like it without paying shipping costs or a restock fee? I assumed if it's not an actual problem with the product they'd make you at least pay shipping back. I mean, you're forcing them to sell an open box/preowned item with losses in shipping just because of your opinion.

Melan 04-23-2015 08:14 AM

Yes. I returned G302 to amazon 4 days later simply stating "mouse wobbles" in reason section.

LegoFarmer 04-23-2015 08:42 AM

Hey, Zowie. Make an FK1 with the color scheme of the EC-A series and ZA series with the lowered click latency. Take my money after. All of it.

detto87 04-23-2015 08:42 AM

I don't get why they are releasing ZA13, it looks way too small for any hand size to really palm it.
Quote:
Originally Posted by LegoFarmer View Post

Hey, Zowie. Make an FK1 with the color scheme of the EC-A series and ZA series with the lowered click latency. Take my money after. All of it.
FK1 since 2015 (as well as FK2) have click latency like the EC1/2-A.

LegoFarmer 04-23-2015 08:47 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by detto87 View Post

I don't get why they are releasing ZA13, it looks way too small for any hand size to really palm it.
FK1 since 2015 (as well as FK2) have click latency like the EC1/2-A.
Interesting... There's still the color scheme tongue.gif I'm sure Zowie will update it sometime and it'll just be a new shell. I wouldn't enjoy the ZA shape. I think an FK with a taller back would be weird for me. I like a nice big mouse like the EC1-A that I can palm or claw (Yea, I can claw an EC1-A with 18.5cm hands just fine tongue.gif) or I like an ambidextrous mouse to claw and fingertip. My palm never fully covers anyway. I'm just glad that Zowie is becoming more diverse because I already know some people will love the shape and that's great.

a_ak57 04-23-2015 08:48 AM

Quote:
Originally Posted by Melan View Post

Yes. I returned G302 to amazon 4 days later simply stating "mouse wobbles" in reason section.

Huh, I guess they don't care because of their sheer volume of business.

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Originally Posted by detto87 View Post

I don't get why they are releasing ZA13, it looks way too small for any hand size to really palm it.

I'm actually eyeing the 13 as a claw mouse, seems like it'll be really good for people who like short mice with a butt. But yeah, seems strange to include it in the palm marketing.

fnade 04-23-2015 09:03 AM

Any info about sensor placement of each mouse ?
And for which pro player "ZA" stands ?

zealord 04-23-2015 09:07 AM

Hmm I am interested in this one. My Rival is getting quite old and already has heavy traces of usage, but the price is 10% higher than usual atleast in Europe that is thinking.gif

offshell 04-23-2015 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by a_ak57 View Post

Can you actually send something back that you've used simply on the grounds that you don't like it without paying shipping costs or a restock fee? I assumed if it's not an actual problem with the product they'd make you at least pay shipping back. I mean, you're forcing them to sell an open box/preowned item with losses in shipping just because of your opinion.



Those are the return options I see on amazon. I know if you click "No longer needed/wanted" you will either have to pay shipping or have a default shipping amount subtracted from the amount refunded. I've never seen a restocking fee though.

chrislee11 04-23-2015 09:30 AM

Ohhhhhh this is interesting. I liked the fk but I always wanted a bigger butt. This mouse could be good! Question though. I am looking at the 12 and 13. What size is the 13 comparable to? Seems small but is it like kinzu small or g100s small? Also is the 12 basically like the size of a kana?

Torn on what size I would go for.

Jalal 04-23-2015 09:37 AM

A new Zowie mouse! I really love pain.

Once i returned home and found my lovely FK not on her place, so i wondered and became sad. Hopefully it will be much better with the new ZA 11 / 12 / 13

popups 04-23-2015 11:05 AM

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Originally Posted by aleexkrysel View Post

I'm in the same boat. Might give the ZA a shot after all, just because the shape looks like exactly what I want. However, I honestly don't know which model to pick though...
If you want a FK2 size, go for the ZA12. If you want something like a Kinzu with side buttons, get the ZA13. If you want something to fills the hand as much as possible, get the ZA11. I think Pasha, from Virtus Pro, will get a ZA13.

I would be fine with the size of the ZA12 if the shape is good. Obviously the 85g weight is better, it makes the Avior and Castor look off putting.

I think the size of the ZA11 will improve my aim because it would fill my hand entirely, which is great for my grip style, but the width of the rear and the height might be too much for me. For symmetrical designs 65mm is typically the max width for me to use my palm to lift the mouse. If the shape of the rear is really good, 67mm will be totally fine for my grip style. The length is really what makes me want to try the ZA11 over the ZA12.
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Originally Posted by ramraze View Post

Fail at Alberto from marketing. I asked him on fb about the coating, and he replied that it's the same as Fk1/Fk2 and Ec-A series. Fail. The difference between them is night and day. There is a felt difference even between fk2 and fk1. At least on the different models that i've tested.

frown.gif I hope it's rubberized enough to avoid tacky sweat, and grippy enough for dry hands.
They constantly changed how they applied the coating, but it has been the same type of coating since the FK.

Nivity 04-23-2015 11:42 AM

Nice name. Zowie Ambidextrous I suppose, renaming on their mice inc? smile.gif

Seems to be hm to many variations from a production standpoint.
Not that ill buy any since its huanos but good to see zowie going :>

ncck 04-23-2015 01:07 PM

Looks interesting. I own the fk1 and ec1-a and to me the coating on both of them feels slightly different

Also the mouse sensor of the ec1-a feels like it's in a different position than the fk1, not sure if it's more north or south instead of center. This doesn't really affect me that much but when you swap between the two you have that small adjustment period of like.. oh sensor is in a different spot, I felt more 'raw' precise with the fk1 over the ec1-a. But I feel the fk1 accels in something like counter-strike while the ec1-a dominates in a game such as quake.

Maybe this in-between will give us precision and tracking? I felt like I couldn't follow/track really fast moving targets with the fk1 unless I put in a lot of effort, meanwhile in counter-strike it was easy.. in Reflex and quake it felt much more uncomfortable.

I won't immediately buy this like the others however, I may end up not liking it at all.. if the 'back' feels similar to the SS rival then I probably won't like it, that mouse felt awkward in my palm. Good to see new stuff from zowie, it's what I use and will probably keep on using!

popups 04-23-2015 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by ncck View Post

I won't immediately buy this like the others however, I may end up not liking it at all.. if the 'back' feels similar to the SS rival then I probably won't like it, that mouse felt awkward in my palm. Good to see new stuff from zowie, it's what I use and will probably keep on using!

Have you ever used a Zowie AM? It will likely feel like that considering the angles and the use of the AM PCB design.

bobsaget 04-23-2015 02:10 PM

Saw the news a few minutes ago, I knew there would be a thread here smile.gif
Looks like a great replacement for my fk2013. Never made the jump when the ec-a series was released, I was afraid the shape wouldn't feel good.
Do we agree the scroll isn't illuminated this time?


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