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H4rk4t 04-14-2017 12:21 PM

The PC's i've built end up with system issues always down the road. That's not to say I don't mind building one again if i'm assured it will be great, but Newegg has changed so much since last I tried.

I have the opportunity to buy HP's Omen X 900-045VT for $2247 tax included in that, out the door from a local resaler friend...cheaper than the HP price of $2599+tax.
Windows 10 Home
6th Generation Intel® Core™ i7-6700K Processor
32 GB DDR4 memory (4 slots used)
512 SSD + 3 TB HDD storage
NVIDIA® GeForce® GTX 1080; Founders Edition 8gb

When I add up all the parts used in the Omen X it comes out to about the same price on newegg so seems not worth it...

My trouble is, I'm caught in between building a workstation serve e5 rig so I can have two Xeon processors for multithreaded processing in Cinema4D design, but my main priority is gaming and VR capabilities... so back to I guess just finding the best prebuilt gaming PC for between $1400-$2000.

I mean if it was easy for me to understand how to pair parts together, it used to be easier with neweggs barebone builds and open box special product linking..but I really am scared to build my own after feeling like such a failure when the pc fails after a year, and those were only 500-700$ builds.

Does anyone suggest any websites like NCIXUS or even just straight from Newegg/amazon, for a RELIABLE prebuilt system that can handle VR without issues, I feel like I gotta spend up to 2g to get that. A laptop would be best but my lack of confidence in something only 2.4ghz strays me away...I like to think I'm knowledgeable on hardware but really I'm not ..and am indecisive. I just want to have a long lasting system that isn't going to drop in value by half the price in a year, so it doesn't matter if it's last years.. I just want to be able to do VR and game. A laptop would rock... but for the same price I feel I can get twice the beast in a desktop, or build my own...

Please help this confused man out lol..deeply appreciated, my researching has just made things more complicated.

JackCY 04-14-2017 12:24 PM

Build your own is the way to go.

I would recommend AMD R5 1600 and R7 1700 if you want to OC, otherwise try their X variants.
You can build a monster under $1500 that the 6700K won't touch really CPU wise while keeping the same GPU.

Sure building any system on your own has it's frustrations and possibly risks, on the other hand big shops usually offer a service for free that they will build a PC from the parts you order and test it so you get a working system and any potential issues or DOA parts are handled by the shop not you.

Example, of course you should modify to your preference and wallet, it's just what I can find on PCP:

PCPartPicker part list / Price breakdown by merchant

CPU: AMD RYZEN 7 1700 3.0GHz 8-Core Processor ($318.33 @ OutletPC)
CPU Cooler: Thermalright Macho Rev.B 73.6 CFM CPU Cooler ($52.90 @ Amazon)
Motherboard: ASRock Fatal1ty X370 Gaming K4 ATX AM4 Motherboard ($138.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Memory: G.Skill Ripjaws V Series 32GB (2 x 16GB) DDR4-3000 Memory ($239.99 @ Newegg)
Storage: PNY CS2211 480GB 2.5" Solid State Drive ($139.99 @ Amazon)
Storage: Toshiba 3TB 3.5" 7200RPM Internal Hard Drive ($83.88 @ OutletPC)
Video Card: EVGA GeForce GTX 1080 8GB Superclocked Gaming ACX 3.0 Video Card ($499.99 @ Newegg)
Case: NZXT S340 (Black/Red) ATX Mid Tower Case ($66.99 @ SuperBiiz)
Power Supply: EVGA SuperNOVA G3 650W 80+ Gold Certified Fully-Modular ATX Power Supply ($88.89 @ OutletPC)
Total: $1629.95
Prices include shipping, taxes, and discounts when available
Generated by PCPartPicker 2017-04-14 14:57 EDT-0400

No OC = don't need extra cooler, don't need x370 even to OC B350 is enough, 32GB RAM is at 3000 not 2133 like HP, SSDs with PCIe 4x cost about twice as much as regular SSDs HP doesn't say which they use if 2x or 4x user won't notice the difference anyway even compared to regular SATA6, ...

If you want to target $2250 that better be an 8 core machine with 1080Ti or some crazy storage etc. be it Intel or AMD system.

H4rk4t 04-14-2017 01:50 PM

Great thank you for all the input!

How would a build like this be, https://pcpartpicker.com/guide/mDFfrH/enthusiast-intel-gaming-build
but replace the CPU shown with this one https://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=9SIA2F85C03186, it's an 1151 socket so should fit that mobo right?

I really like that build you showed me as well, but how is that AMD process compared to the intel one I linked? would I be able to use the same one for that build you showed me?

TheWizardMan 04-17-2017 02:19 PM

Build your own. It's so easy and I'm not sure what could go wrong down the line that couldn't go wrong with a pre-built. The only upside to a pre-built is the warranty on the machine as a whole.

Beagle Box 04-18-2017 03:09 PM

Originally Posted by H4rk4t View Post

The PC's i've built end up with system issues always down the road.
..those were only 500-700$ builds.

I think I see your problem. thinking.gif

No way I'd pay money for an HP. Those things are absolutely designed to to fail at anything but word-processing. Parts are often proprietary or very hard to find. Do not do it!. gunner2.gif HP

Build your own from quality parts.
Choose the best chip or a lesser one that fits a socket with a future.
Top quality MB and PSU are a must.
Adjust per budget from there.

FancyPants65 04-18-2017 03:42 PM

I 2nd Beagle Box's suggestion and stay away from HP. If you were going to surf the web and check your email, then I would say go for it.

I just did a Kabylake build a little over a month ago. My last build was 5 plus years ago a i7 2600k, an Nvidia 560, 16 gigs of ram and a 480 gig SSD harddrive. I am mainly a gamer so with some of the newer games coming out requiring better graphics, it was time for a new build.

I put together a couple of different builds using pcpartpicker that gave me a good idea of what I was looking for, and then I found some really nice deals at Fry's of all places and a couple at Amazon and it cost me about $1200.00 once I was finished. The only thing I brought over from my old system was the harddrives.

I now have a super quite watercooled system that rocks.

Good luck which ever direction you decide on.

Punjab 04-20-2017 09:11 PM

I've done a bunch of both (custom and big brand pre-built) and I agree with the others in that custom is better. However! I'm not nearly as jaded on pre-built machines as most on overclock seem to be.
I still own and use multiple HP and Dell machines that have yet to give me any serious issues. In addition I almost always purchase them used for pennies on the dollar compared to what they sold for new.
You can buy a dual processor, quad-core xeon Dell T5400 or T7500 loaded with RAM and whatever configuration of hard drives you want on Ebay, guaranteed to boot, for $50-$100. You'll pay ~$50 for shipping but with the addition of a decent video card you can destroy some Cinema 4D.
Again, everybody here on Overclock seems to gasp at the thought of using such a PC and will do everything in their power to convince you not to despite never having tried such a system themselves. My render farm is chalked full of these computers running 24/7 at nearly full load and they never so much as hiccup. If you consider this route, shop for workstations rather than "gaming" or consumer PCs.
It's such a cheap option that you can basically give it a shot with very little consequence to your wallet in the event that the machine completely fries.

My personal workstations are indeed custom built monsters that cost me an arm and a leg. I love building my own machines and you can definitely fill them with better parts than most manufactured computers come with.

I'm just saying don't rule it out as an option. An incredibly cheap option that, personally, has not failed me yet.

Dell T5400 x2 xeon 3.0Ghz 16GB

thegreatsquare 04-23-2017 05:04 AM



Intel Core i7-7700K Processor 4,2GHz
NVIDIA GeForce GTX1080 8GB GDDR5X VR Ready
16GB DDR4-3000 RAM
480GB Solid State Drive
Power Supply [evga 600B]
Microsoft Windows 10 Home 64-bit
24x ASUS DVDRW Drive
Multi-in-One Memory Card Reader
10/100/1000 Network
802.11ac Wireless
Display Not Included

3 other with a GTX1070 [2 Ryzen] $1k-$1400.

...and this GTX 1080 laptop is also available at their web store as well for $2k.

Juicin 04-24-2017 11:39 AM

I've only had 2 rigs in my life

But I've built a few for family and friends tho so I have a bit of experience with them

Only problem I've ever had within warranty was a crappy PSU, because of course I wanted to save some money on something that theoretically wouldn't affect performance if it did what it was advertised to do.

I was warned against it, did it anyway. Since then never had a problem

Yes buying a prebuilt will allow you to have a better chance of getting away with something like a sub par PSU, but you're paying the premium of them testing/assembling it. So it's a net loss relative to just buying a better part. (better used and high quality than some prebuilt offbrand new junk components)

Use patience, don't try to buy all the components in one day (unless the stars align on sales or something) and you will get a much better rig for similar prices.

profundido 04-28-2017 09:01 AM

build your own is the way to go for sure !

I just finished building a new basic but solid pc for another location based on

7700k @ 4.9Ghz
Any GTX 1080Ti card of your choice (e.g MSI gaming plus X)
Cooler master basic liquid aio cpu cooler (costed barely more than an air cooler !!)
Samsung 960 Pro SSD
2*8GB 3000+Mhz XMP2 RAM of your liking (sticking to 2 sticks instead of 4 makes your OC more stable and higher)
Asus Formula IX motherboard (armored and rock solid on aircooling and future proof to upgrade to full watercooling)
Thermaltake x71 (because it has lots of room to cool an aircooled gpu and allows to upgrade to full watercooling later)
any 800W+ Power supply of your own choice and taste (I went personally for Corsair AX i series)

and my god it OC's right off the bat to 4.9Ghz solid in bios with this basic cooler and flies through any game ! It's so amazing it blows my other 6K super machine out of the sky when it comes down to games because of the higher single thread clock speed yet costs a 4th of the price !! I just loaded up the latest image of Windows 10 build 1703 and boom ,10minutes later I was in business. Amazing combination this hardware and that windows 10 build. I guarantee it blows your HP out of the sky

This combination of components really amazed me with their relative cheap price and ease of building for a yet blazing fast performance

spinFX 05-01-2017 12:39 AM

lol, i like the replies, but OP, if you really don't want to build your own, maybe ask the question "what are known pre-built brands to avoid" then take this knowledge to your favourite retailer and ask one of the floor staff for help. They will likely suggest a few good options and if you don't mess around probably can wrangle a decent discount.

People have already mentioned to stay away from HP, i'd probably agree, but my prejudice for HP gear goes way, way back, haha.

BonzaiDuck 05-05-2017 11:52 PM

Well, fellow posters, think about it. How many "mainstreamers" linger or even look for this site and forums? Most of the folks coming in here build their own desktops and servers.

So we have a bias about this issue -- Lenovo, Dell, HP . . .[several others including the boutique systems] -- versus -- choosing the parts and designing your own system.

I have all the time in the world, and I choose to devote a lot of it to this pastime. I may take a year concocting a general plan for a system, by which time the CPU and chipset choices may be superseded by the new releases.

It's actually easier to embrace the parts-match process if you tend to favor high-end or second-tier to high-end systems. The extreme of that are the Intel "E" processors using chipsets like X79 and X99. Second tier would be the 4-core enthusiast CPU "K" processors with unlocked multipliers. If that makes it easier, the budgeting and "cost control" is still harder.

There was a time during the 1990s when I was sure I saved money building systems on my own, but that has changed a bit. I always spend more now on a system than any mainstreamer looking for a desktop or even a gaming rig, excepting those with the ducats to buy a high-end boutique system with water-cooling all put together, overclocked and tested.

So these days, I don't build my systems with the sole imperative of saving money, and I know I'm going to spend more.

But I've serviced enough OEM systems and poked around inside them that I can say I wouldn't be happy with one. Yet -- I've harvested parts from them, like drive cages.

So I would at least look at my usage pattern and the software I use, and make sure an OEM system was capable of fulfilling those needs. that is, I would take that approach if I didn't incline to build them myself.

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