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Aby67 08-12-2018 03:19 PM

Does anyone know if there will be any ASUS WS class motherboard released, with 18 to 24 Power fazes capable to handle the 2990WX for prolonged workloads at 1.3 volts?!(as IN heavy duty rendering for a week or two non stop_and not a 2 second cinebench run).
MSI has a 16 faze one that is just good enough to run stock 1.1/2volt with XFR, unless someone will make a decent Monoblock or a very good VRM block.

I also think that with a decent motherboard, a LN" cinebench run will definitely score above 9000 points...possibly just over 10/11k if the memory controller is really good.

FlanK3r 08-12-2018 11:03 PM

Thats not true, my Zenith Extreme and 1959x combo is ok with 4230MHz (Im lucky for 1950x ). I have not issue with any vrm limitation. Look at vrm components here. The same vrm as R6A or R6E. And i9 7900x series are more power hungry in practice after agressive OC...

JohnnyFlash 08-13-2018 04:25 PM

HEVC performance in the first few reviews is very disappointing. Flagship ties or loses to 8c TR1.

betam4x 08-13-2018 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaC (Post 27568834)
It's Cinebench, I wouldn't expect most of the latency improvements to improve scores there drastically. That said, for people buying these CPUs with 4 dies , latency likely isn't a top factor.

I haven't read many reviews, but what latency improvements? Threadripper already had lower latencies than Ryzen 1xxx. It was on par or greater than Threadripper 2xxx. 0.8-1ns L1, 2.7-3.0 L2, and 9.5-10ns L3.

FlanK3r 08-14-2018 02:49 AM

WR in Cinebench:


Aby67 08-14-2018 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r (Post 27572886)
Thats not true, my Zenith Extreme and 1959x combo is ok with 4230MHz (Im lucky for 1950x ). I have not issue with any vrm limitation. Look at vrm components here. The same vrm as R6A or R6E. And i9 7900x series are more power hungry in practice after agressive OC...

Asus Zenith Motherboard is a total piece of crap
....its got an extra 8 PIN EPS that Your 1950 X doesnt even use...its a last minute motherboard using the same template they have been using for years now....ASUS is not the King of the hill anymore, not because there is someone particularly better ( which Gigabyte might likely become), but simply because at ASUS what they care about is selling You the cheapest piece of crap over and over at the highest possible price, and sticking an ROG badge for a threadripper motherboard should offend You that owns one much more than Me that I dont yet, because for a TR4 socket putting a ROG label is a massive downgrade......ASUS has become the same as their TUF line....rebranding and dropping in less and less quality and innovation as time passes.


It il be very very interesting to see in the coming months how many people get their PC on fire or electrocuted and see ASUS in court, for having allowed a bios update to RUN W series on the Zenith so ruthlessly.

ssateneth 08-15-2018 09:36 PM

the whole power phase thing, its really just about keeping your vrm cool. i dont have a spec sheet on hand, but at least 60 amp power stages seems common, and most TR boards are at least 8 phases, so thats 480 amps. that's 624-672 watts at 1.3-1.4 volts. that'll be more with more phases or higher rated stages. as long as you keep vrm cool, under 90c, then thats fine. they typically don't start derating until something like 105-125c. put a fan on vrm, you'll be fine.

Kana Chan 08-15-2018 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aby67 (Post 27572652)
Does anyone know if there will be any ASUS WS class motherboard released, with 18 to 24 Power fazes capable to handle the 2990WX for prolonged workloads at 1.3 volts?!(as IN heavy duty rendering for a week or two non stop_and not a 2 second cinebench run).
MSI has a 16 faze one that is just good enough to run stock 1.1/2volt with XFR, unless someone will make a decent Monoblock or a very good VRM block.

I also think that with a decent motherboard, a LN" cinebench run will definitely score above 9000 points...possibly just over 10/11k if the memory controller is really good.

It'll just be a clone of the retail model with workstation features as they've done in the past unless they released a retail model with 16 phases first. The Zenith requires 1.400v to get 4000mhz to maintain stability ( in TTL's video ) whereas the 16 phase MSI board only needed 1.360v for 4050mhz. 50mhz and 40mV lower. You'd also get 70A parts ( infineon doesn't list these on their own site ) vs the more common 60A.


Kana Chan 08-15-2018 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aby67 (Post 27575722)
Asus Zenith Motherboard is a total piece of crap
....its got an extra 8 PIN EPS that Your 1950 X doesnt even use...its a last minute motherboard using the same template they have been using for years now....ASUS is not the King of the hill anymore, not because there is someone particularly better ( which Gigabyte might likely become), but simply because at ASUS what they care about is selling You the cheapest piece of crap over and over at the highest possible price, and sticking an ROG badge for a threadripper motherboard should offend You that owns one much more than Me that I dont yet, because for a TR4 socket putting a ROG label is a massive downgrade......ASUS has become the same as their TUF line....rebranding and dropping in less and less quality and innovation as time passes.


It il be very very interesting to see in the coming months how many people get their PC on fire or electrocuted and see ASUS in court, for having allowed a bios update to RUN W series on the Zenith so ruthlessly.

Is it the cooling problem or something else? I saw that it only hit 70C for MSI but it goes to 112C on the VRM for the Zenith. ( And then 96C when he pushed it even further for the MSI and didn't work for the Zenith ).

FlanK3r 08-17-2018 08:02 AM

First post updated with info about reviews


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