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FlanK3r 08-07-2018 01:03 AM

Ryzen Threadripper 2990WX, 2970WX, 2950X, 2920X owners club
 
Im not listening heavy metal music...But if we are talking about heavy metal processors, it is different story for me. And Yes, I applaud to AMD! Second year of great CPUs is here and HEDT AMD is real - highend crazy strongest most loved CPU ever!

Report from TMsHW about Manilla AMD day and few results of Cinebenchs! LN2? YES sir!

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1775/...214f240b_b.jpg
https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1777/...63599ae9_b.jpg
Macci is AMD guy many years. I remember him from Phenom Agena days there, if Im correct.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1840/...b0a989e4_b.jpg
Who is this guy?:)

https://farm1.staticflickr.com/937/4...26f0c990_b.jpg

What about Cinebench?! At COmputex Intel demostrated huge chip with 28-core, sample of future Cascade Lake-X. The board was bigger than eATX with crazy VRM. CPU must be cooled by chiller and power consumption was still over 800W. But nice clean 5 GHz.
Threadripper LN2 demo with normal eATX board cooled by LN2 and 5.1 GHz run.

https://farm2.staticflickr.com/1791/...589dbd10_b.jpg
-there are some scores completed by Tomshardware, CB WR is here :)

All article: https://www.tomshardware.com/news/am...e_x,37550.html

REVIEWS AROUND THE WEB WITH MY NOTE
https://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/...dripper_2950X/
-average review (many old tests for modern CPUs), OC 4.15 GHz 1.45V, MSI Creation
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-review,1.html
-OC 4200MHz (Zenith Extreme)
https://www.guru3d.com/articles-page...-review,1.html
-OC 4.1 GHz 1.4V
https://www.hardwarecanucks.com/foru...ce-review.html
-OC 4.2 GHz with Noctuou, 1.3V
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13124...d-2950x-review

-Linus, Zenith Extreme
-Der8auer
-PaulsHW, i9-7960X vs TR 1950X vs 2950X
-PCworld 2990WX review
-hardware unboxed 1
-hardware uboxed 2 - multitasking part
http://oc.jagatreview.com/2018/08/ry...inebench-8000/
-extreme OC over 8K points
https://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/87...iew/index.html
-OC 4200 MHz both
https://wccftech.com/review/amd-ryze...re-cpu-review/
-OC 4.1GHz and 4GHz (depends on board)
http://www.ddworld.cz/pc-a-komponent...m-vykonem.html
-OC 4 GHz
https://www.anandtech.com/show/13124...d-2950x-review
-one of the best reviews
https://www.hardocp.com/article/2018...50x_cpu_review
-OC 4 GHz 2990WX, 4.2GHz 2950X
https://techreport.com/review/33977/...x-cpu-reviewed
https://techreport.com/review/33987/...x-cpu-reviewed
https://www.pcper.com/reviews/Proces...Moving-Forward
-2990WX OC 4.1GHz 1.24V
https://www.techspot.com/review/1678...-2990wx-2950x/
-2990WX OC = 4 GHz, 2950X OC 4.1 GHz
https://www.techspot.com/review/1680...-mega-tasking/
-part two - megatasking
http://www.legitreviews.com/amd-ryze...-review_207135
-OC 4.1GHz on Zenith Extreme
https://benchlife.info/amd-2nd-ryzen...reme-08132018/
https://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipset...pu-performance
https://lab501.ro/procesoare-chipset...ng-performance

https://www.kitguru.net/components/j...tation-review/
-PC sestava review
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...ke-x,5727.html
-nonsense comparison
http://www.comptoir-hardware.com/art...50x-2990x.html
-MSI Creation, good review in tests, OC 4.1 GHz 2950X and 3.925GHz 2990WX (1.34V)
https://www.computerbase.de/2018-08/...wx-2950x-test/
-2950X 4.25GHz OC 1.375V, 2990WX 3.9GHz OC, Zenith Extreme board
https://www.ixbt.com/platform/amd-ry...wx-review.html
-RU review
https://hexus.net/tech/reviews/cpu/1...ripper-2990wx/
-OC 4.075GHz 1.35V, Zenith Extreme
http://www.expreview.com/63369.html
-OC 4.1 GHz 2990WX a 4.2 Ghz 2950X
https://www.golem.de/news/threadripp...08-135832.html
http://www.benchmark.pl/testy_i_rece...950x-test.html
-OC 2950X 4.1 GHz Zenith Extreme
https://bit-tech.net/reviews/tech/cp...950x-review/1/
-OC 2950X 1.425V 4.2GHz, 2990WX 4.1GHz 1.4V Zenith Extreme
https://nl.hardware.info/reviews/856...en-core-te-ver
-solid review, Zenith Extreme, OC 2950X = 4.3GHz 1,45V, 2990WX = 4.2 GHz 1.425V, LN2 5.1 GHz
https://hothardware.com/reviews/amd-...-2990wx-review
-x399 AORUS, OC PBO only
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/index.ph...el-vorbei.html
-X399 Creation, OC 2950X=4.25 GHz, 2990WX=3.9 GHz
https://www.lesnumeriques.com/cpu-pr...5451/test.html
https://pclab.pl/art78574.html
-OC 2990WX up to 4 GHz, 4.1GHz 2950X Zenith Extreme
http://www.pcgameshardware.de/Ryzen-...-Test-1262448/
https://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?pa...x-2990wx&num=1
-LINUX test
https://tweakers.net/reviews/6441/de...-32-cores.html
-OC 2990WX=4.2GHz 1.425V, 2950X 4.3GHz 1.45V both on Zenith Extreme
https://news.xfastest.com/review/rev...-2950x-review/
-OC 4.1GHz 2990WX 1.35V, 4.3GHz 2950X on Zenith
https://www.tomshw.de/2018/08/13/amd...-zu-32-kernen/
-MSI Creation, good test
https://www.tomshardware.com/reviews...950x,5725.html
-english version
https://www.overclock3d.net/reviews/...990wx_review/5
-OC 2990WX 4 GHz, OC 2950X 4.375 GHz 1.4V both Zenith Extreme
https://www.sweclockers.com/test/260...90wx-och-2950x
-OC 4100 Mhz

radier 08-07-2018 03:17 AM

Why there is almost no difference between 1950X and 2950X?

Shiftstealth 08-07-2018 03:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radier (Post 27565186)
Why there is almost no difference between 1950X and 2950X?

They're the same core count at 16c/32t ea. The 1950X precision boosts up to 4.2, and the 2950x precision boosts up to 4.4. They are both 180W. So i'd bet they have to keep the boosts almost as low on the 2950x to keep it in the 180W area.

FlanK3r 08-07-2018 07:18 AM

I think, the part is agesa (new agesa was in few tests a little worse than new, ussually legacy tests) and clocks. SIngle thread will be better of course, but multithread in load it could be extra 100 MHz on new TR. And more depends on cooling setup, with liquid setup will be difference higher for new TR2.

lutjens 08-07-2018 03:07 PM

Pre-order is in...need to upgrade my rattletrap 1950X...;)

betam4x 08-07-2018 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r (Post 27565430)
I think, the part is agesa (new agesa was in few tests a little worse than new, ussually legacy tests) and clocks. SIngle thread will be better of course, but multithread in load it could be extra 100 MHz on new TR. And more depends on cooling setup, with liquid setup will be difference higher for new TR2.

I don't know about single threaded performance. A lot of that performance on Ryzen came from Cache improvements. The 1950X already had those improvements baked in. At best you might see SLIGHTLY lower memory latency, but there isn't much improvement to be had.

FlanK3r 08-08-2018 02:59 PM

Im thinking about "only" 2950X :)

betam4x 08-09-2018 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by betam4x (Post 27566094)
I don't know about single threaded performance. A lot of that performance on Ryzen came from Cache improvements. The 1950X already had those improvements baked in. At best you might see SLIGHTLY lower memory latency, but there isn't much improvement to be had.

I forgot to mention that single threaded applications should run much faster on the 2xxx series thanks to the improved boost algorithms, however as I mentioned before, don't expect much, if anything in the way of IPC.

AlphaC 08-09-2018 04:35 PM

It's Cinebench, I wouldn't expect most of the latency improvements to improve scores there drastically. That said, for people buying these CPUs with 4 dies , latency likely isn't a top factor.

Aby67 08-12-2018 03:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by radier (Post 27565186)
Why there is almost no difference between 1950X and 2950X?

Because there is not a motherboard capable to keep XFR boosting properly, the Zenith EXtreme, doenst have good enough VRMs for that CPU, for it to have efficient power delivery and avoid very quick dgradation of teh motherboard unless yOu run teh CPU at 1.1 Volts maximum for safety reasons...(meaning You dont wan t it to catch fire).


That Cinebench run scoring 7.5 k is quite disappointing score...and its due to the motherboard power delivery limits...whth a decent motherboard you will likely see the 2950X almost challenge that score.

Problem is that Threadripper motherboards of the past year that are around now are total crap and not truly good for this kind of CPUs...I dont see any sense @asus in dropping a ROG sticker on TR4 motherboards....it s like branding new ferrari engine on a fiat 500 abarth chassis.

These CPus need motherboards like Gygabite made for Intel to make that chiller run on their 28 core...and I strongly suspect that Gygabite will become the new king on the Hill of motherboards, as Apparently @asus is sandbagging threadripper and will not release any new motherboard for these 32 core xeon killer CPUs.

Aby67 08-12-2018 03:19 PM

Does anyone know if there will be any ASUS WS class motherboard released, with 18 to 24 Power fazes capable to handle the 2990WX for prolonged workloads at 1.3 volts?!(as IN heavy duty rendering for a week or two non stop_and not a 2 second cinebench run).
MSI has a 16 faze one that is just good enough to run stock 1.1/2volt with XFR, unless someone will make a decent Monoblock or a very good VRM block.

I also think that with a decent motherboard, a LN" cinebench run will definitely score above 9000 points...possibly just over 10/11k if the memory controller is really good.

FlanK3r 08-12-2018 11:03 PM

Thats not true, my Zenith Extreme and 1959x combo is ok with 4230MHz (Im lucky for 1950x ). I have not issue with any vrm limitation. Look at vrm components here. The same vrm as R6A or R6E. And i9 7900x series are more power hungry in practice after agressive OC...

JohnnyFlash 08-13-2018 04:25 PM

HEVC performance in the first few reviews is very disappointing. Flagship ties or loses to 8c TR1.

betam4x 08-13-2018 05:04 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaC (Post 27568834)
It's Cinebench, I wouldn't expect most of the latency improvements to improve scores there drastically. That said, for people buying these CPUs with 4 dies , latency likely isn't a top factor.

I haven't read many reviews, but what latency improvements? Threadripper already had lower latencies than Ryzen 1xxx. It was on par or greater than Threadripper 2xxx. 0.8-1ns L1, 2.7-3.0 L2, and 9.5-10ns L3.

FlanK3r 08-14-2018 02:49 AM

WR in Cinebench:


Aby67 08-14-2018 07:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r (Post 27572886)
Thats not true, my Zenith Extreme and 1959x combo is ok with 4230MHz (Im lucky for 1950x ). I have not issue with any vrm limitation. Look at vrm components here. The same vrm as R6A or R6E. And i9 7900x series are more power hungry in practice after agressive OC...

Asus Zenith Motherboard is a total piece of crap
....its got an extra 8 PIN EPS that Your 1950 X doesnt even use...its a last minute motherboard using the same template they have been using for years now....ASUS is not the King of the hill anymore, not because there is someone particularly better ( which Gigabyte might likely become), but simply because at ASUS what they care about is selling You the cheapest piece of crap over and over at the highest possible price, and sticking an ROG badge for a threadripper motherboard should offend You that owns one much more than Me that I dont yet, because for a TR4 socket putting a ROG label is a massive downgrade......ASUS has become the same as their TUF line....rebranding and dropping in less and less quality and innovation as time passes.


It il be very very interesting to see in the coming months how many people get their PC on fire or electrocuted and see ASUS in court, for having allowed a bios update to RUN W series on the Zenith so ruthlessly.

ssateneth 08-15-2018 09:36 PM

the whole power phase thing, its really just about keeping your vrm cool. i dont have a spec sheet on hand, but at least 60 amp power stages seems common, and most TR boards are at least 8 phases, so thats 480 amps. that's 624-672 watts at 1.3-1.4 volts. that'll be more with more phases or higher rated stages. as long as you keep vrm cool, under 90c, then thats fine. they typically don't start derating until something like 105-125c. put a fan on vrm, you'll be fine.

Kana Chan 08-15-2018 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aby67 (Post 27572652)
Does anyone know if there will be any ASUS WS class motherboard released, with 18 to 24 Power fazes capable to handle the 2990WX for prolonged workloads at 1.3 volts?!(as IN heavy duty rendering for a week or two non stop_and not a 2 second cinebench run).
MSI has a 16 faze one that is just good enough to run stock 1.1/2volt with XFR, unless someone will make a decent Monoblock or a very good VRM block.

I also think that with a decent motherboard, a LN" cinebench run will definitely score above 9000 points...possibly just over 10/11k if the memory controller is really good.

It'll just be a clone of the retail model with workstation features as they've done in the past unless they released a retail model with 16 phases first. The Zenith requires 1.400v to get 4000mhz to maintain stability ( in TTL's video ) whereas the 16 phase MSI board only needed 1.360v for 4050mhz. 50mhz and 40mV lower. You'd also get 70A parts ( infineon doesn't list these on their own site ) vs the more common 60A.


Kana Chan 08-15-2018 09:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aby67 (Post 27575722)
Asus Zenith Motherboard is a total piece of crap
....its got an extra 8 PIN EPS that Your 1950 X doesnt even use...its a last minute motherboard using the same template they have been using for years now....ASUS is not the King of the hill anymore, not because there is someone particularly better ( which Gigabyte might likely become), but simply because at ASUS what they care about is selling You the cheapest piece of crap over and over at the highest possible price, and sticking an ROG badge for a threadripper motherboard should offend You that owns one much more than Me that I dont yet, because for a TR4 socket putting a ROG label is a massive downgrade......ASUS has become the same as their TUF line....rebranding and dropping in less and less quality and innovation as time passes.


It il be very very interesting to see in the coming months how many people get their PC on fire or electrocuted and see ASUS in court, for having allowed a bios update to RUN W series on the Zenith so ruthlessly.

Is it the cooling problem or something else? I saw that it only hit 70C for MSI but it goes to 112C on the VRM for the Zenith. ( And then 96C when he pushed it even further for the MSI and didn't work for the Zenith ).

FlanK3r 08-17-2018 08:02 AM

First post updated with info about reviews

tyrex13 08-23-2018 10:06 AM

Any ideas on why the initial Passmark Benchmarks are so low for the 2990?

Djreversal 08-28-2018 06:10 PM

Hey guys just got my system up and running.. So far so good. I have my 2990wx stable at 4.05ghz.. i could probably push it more but it seems to do better on some benchmark scores at this speed then it did at 4.1-4.2ghz. Memory i have settled in at 3200. Consistent 6300 on Cinebench15

cekim 08-28-2018 06:27 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djreversal (Post 27599672)
Hey guys just got my system up and running.. So far so good. I have my 2990wx stable at 4.05ghz.. i could probably push it more but it seems to do better on some benchmark scores at this speed then it did at 4.1-4.2ghz. Memory i have settled in at 3200. Consistent 6300 on Cinebench15

MB?
Bios OC or in Windows?

Been playing around with my MSI MEG and 2990WX. Compared to Asus/intel OC, this BIOS interface is.... a little... hamfisted...

Gotten a nice bump in geek-bench so far:
Bone stock:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/9607264
single: 4905 multi: 46923

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/9609374
single: 5399 multi: 62045

Djreversal 08-28-2018 07:11 PM

This is windows 10, MSI MEG Motherboard, Current Bios, and yes Bios Overclock. And wow big difference with geekbench on linux vs windows ... my overclock is slower then your stock!!!

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/9622803

Djreversal 08-28-2018 07:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cekim (Post 27599690)
MB?
Bios OC or in Windows?

Been playing around with my MSI MEG and 2990WX. Compared to Asus/intel OC, this BIOS interface is.... a little... hamfisted...

Gotten a nice bump in geek-bench so far:
Bone stock:
https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/9607264
single: 4905 multi: 46923

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/9609374
single: 5399 multi: 62045


Above

cekim 08-28-2018 07:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djreversal (Post 27599742)
This is windows 10, MSI MEG Motherboard, Current Bios, and yes Bios Overclock. And wow big difference with geekbench on linux vs windows ... my overclock is slower then your stock!!!

https://browser.geekbench.com/v4/cpu/9622803

Yeah windows is a boat anchor on this chip right now...

Are you just changing the multiplier? Any other settings?

Djreversal 08-29-2018 12:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cekim (Post 27599780)
Yeah windows is a boat anchor on this chip right now...

Are you just changing the multiplier? Any other settings?

I did the voltages.. on the ram and the processor. trying to see whats going on if its the overclock or not effecting my fumefx simulation. 3dsmax just closes out right now and im not sure why. my benchmarks seem stable and fine.. not sure if its a problem on the memory side or not.. going to do some prime95 runs and what not.

cekim 08-29-2018 02:00 PM

Did you install windows natively or move it over from another machine? I can't get past win10 demanding drivers in setup to do a clean install...

Dug up a sata DVD drive - manually browsed to every dir on the provided DVD and it doesn't find anything that gets me past this...

lowdog 08-29-2018 04:43 PM

You guys with the MEG can you test something for me please - Balanced power plan - put the system to sleep and see if it will wake after half an hour - I know it's an ask but need to know!

I have the MEG currently with a 1900X till 2950X becomes available.

Initially the 1900X would not down volt or down clock under windows balanced power plan - was stuck at 3800MHz and 1.4+ volts with no XFR working......MSI sent me beta bios 121 and that fixed the issue.

With both official bios available on MSI site the system would wake from sleep if woken within a few minutes of having been put to sleep.....if left for more than say 20 minutes it would try to wake, debug code would start cycling then stop at debug code 00 and the system would be frozen, both reset and power buttons on case and motherboard were non functional and only way out of the freeze was to turn off power at the wall socket. Beta bios 121 would not wake from sleep no matter what and would always freeze with debug code 00 and need a hard power off at the wall socket to get back up an running.

Also there is an issue with setting SOC voltage and having it apply when memory frequency is set above 2933MHz.

MSI have replicated the issues and say they are working on a fix....how long it will take who knows.



Also if anyone has a CRDOM drive attached vis SATA and they experience any weird PCIE lag or detection problems when opening file explorer and having it load up the drives or HWiNFO64 freezing at "detecting SCSI/SATA" when loading up sensors it may be due to the rom drive as there seems to be some sort of detection issue for some reason, your millage may vary with this one but there is definitely some issue going on on the detecting PCIE device level.


I even had Disk Manager hanging big time with "Connecting with virtual disk services" while trying to load up disk drives. With the cdrom drive disconnected no issue with opening up Disk Management. Once I managed to get drivers installed for the cdrom drive things became more stable but it was a PITA of a process.

Djreversal 08-29-2018 08:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cekim (Post 27601020)
Did you install windows natively or move it over from another machine? I can't get past win10 demanding drivers in setup to do a clean install...

Dug up a sata DVD drive - manually browsed to every dir on the provided DVD and it doesn't find anything that gets me past this...

Mine did a NDIS network crash every time when i tried bringing over my m.2 over.. i had to format and reinstall

cekim 08-29-2018 08:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Djreversal (Post 27601490)
Mine did a NDIS network crash every time when i tried bringing over my m.2 over.. i had to format and reinstall

Turned out to be a borked image download. I re-imaged the install disk from MSFT and I'm up and running.

LLC5 + 1.25v 4.0GHz so far doing well. It droops to 1.16-1.18v under load with that. LLC appears to be key to keep the voltage up high enough to prevent crashes...

79C peak - 75C typical running 4.0GHz RB stress test for 15M. Time for the water block. Using a push-pull Noctua 14U TR4 right now.

Need more cooling to push it harder. I've allowed it 650W in the BIOS - its topping out at 460W @ 4.0GHz 1.25v

lowdog 08-29-2018 09:23 PM

So no one can do the wake from sleep test with the MEG?????

cekim 08-29-2018 09:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27601540)
So no one can do the wake from sleep test with the MEG?????

I've got a bunch mangled in the BIOS at the moment and I'm putting on a water block. Not sure if it will produce a valid result, but I can try...

Tried to resume after about a minute...
- mouse would not resume
- keyboard would not resume
- hit reset... hang at code E1
- hit reset again... Brought me back into windows as at the same point I left off when I hit "sleep" from the taskbar menu.

So, something definitely amiss...

lowdog 08-29-2018 10:10 PM

yeah something is amiss...….Like I mentioned with the official bioses I could resume/wake form sleep sometimes if I tried to wake the system within a few minutes of having put it to sleep. Leave it a little longer like 15 - 20 - 30 minutes and hard freeze with debug 00 and hard power off at the wall socket was the only solution.


Well so I've been told by MSI Tech they have reproduced the issue and are working on a fix so lets see how long it takes...approaching the 1 week mark tomorrow so......

lowdog 08-29-2018 10:59 PM

And what bios setting is that that allows you to set wattage limit for cpu????


Is it a parameter only visible with Gen 2 TR or am I missing the obvious ????

cekim 08-29-2018 11:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27601602)
And what bios setting is that that allows you to set wattage limit for cpu????


Is it a parameter only visible with Gen 2 TR or am I missing the obvious ????

1. Enable "expert" at the top of the OC page for "OC explore mode"
2. Go into "CPU Features"
3. Set Precision Boost Overdrive to "Manual"
- set Power/Current values as desired (make sure you understand what this means - a BOATLOAD of current will be sent your CPU's way!)

@ 4.1GHz 1.32v I'm seeing 450W sustained in RealBench stress...

If you open Ryzen Master, you will see these limits defaulting to 250W and 200A IIRC. I bumped them up to 650W and 600A (ludicrous values that the VRM can provide, but I can't likely cool, but I'm going slow with the voltage).

lowdog 08-29-2018 11:32 PM

Ok thanks, yes I've seen the PBO settings but they only work/apply with gen 2 TR so I'll look into them when I drop a 2950X in soon.

ENTERPRISE 08-29-2018 11:45 PM

Will certainly tap into this thread further once I get my 2990WX Build up and running with the MSI MEG Creation (Had to ditch Zenith Extreme as it does not have what it takes)

cekim 08-30-2018 08:09 AM

I've done pretty well with 4.1GHz OC so far, but what I am seeing so far is that PBO/xfr+ 4.2+ is asking for ludicrous voltages (1.45-1.5+) which are pretty terrifying coming from Intel 14nm OC. I'd much rather see peaks at 1.35-1.4.

I'm still trying to wrap my head around their architecture and voltage requirements - given that I know the chip will do all-core 4.1, I'd like to have it able to do 4.2+ on small jobs still have 4-4.1 for all-core work. I can't seem to find a config that does not either require uncomfortably high voltages or instability when allowed to be more dynamic.

lowdog 08-30-2018 06:46 PM

I thought the 2950X was supposed to be available on shelves today, 31st here in Aus!!!


So where is it????

alawadhi3000 08-31-2018 01:35 AM

The 2950X is up on Amazon, I ordered one.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07GFN6CVF/

1usmus 08-31-2018 03:55 AM

Guys, advise please what water-block to buy for 2990WX+MSI CREATION X399? EK or BYKSKI A-RYZEN-THV2-X? :)

ENTERPRISE 08-31-2018 05:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1usmus (Post 27603574)
Guys, advise please what water-block to buy for 2990WX+MSI CREATION X399? EK or BYKSKI A-RYZEN-THV2-X? :)

http://shop.watercool.de/epages/Wate...Products/18026

josephimports 08-31-2018 06:26 AM

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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27603634)

Its a fantastic block, no doubt.

<sigh> 08-31-2018 09:46 AM

Me too, just ordered the 2950x from amazon EU, just wish I could swap my Zenith Extreme for a MEG.

Fitzcaraldo 08-31-2018 01:26 PM

Ordered. Fingers crossed it comes sometime next week.

lowdog 08-31-2018 04:04 PM

You guys should know the MEG has bios issues;

1/ Can't wake from sleep if left to sleep for more than a few minutes - system hard locks when trying to wake from S3 sleep and throws a debug code of 00, only way to recover is turn off power at the wall socket! MSI have replicated the issue and are working on a fix.....been over a week now since they told me that so who knows if and wen it does get fixed....not good.


2/ Changing SOC voltages if memory frequency is set over 2933MHz won't take/stick. MSI have replicated this issue and again are working on a fix....again, who knows when it will be fixed.


3/ There are PCIE detection issues with current bios and your millage may vary with this one, for instance, add a CDROM drive via SATA and keep an eye on your system stability because it tanks for some unknown reason when a CDROM drive is connected.....still happens when it's not attached but less frequently. If shutting the system down then make sure you turn off power at the wall socket because if you don't then after a few days and restarts the PCIE instability demon rears it's ugly head. If your opening HWiNFO64 and it freezes at detecting sensors 'SATA/SCSI" then you have it also opening file explorer and having lag while it tries to refresh and display drives is another symptom....when this happens you can't restart or shutdown via windows options you have to hard shut down via case button.


Yeah MEG look great on reviews where all they did was run some benchmarks and overclocks but day to day system running it has some issue, not game breakers, but still issues that should not be there and hopefully will be addressed sooner rather than later. Fingers crossed.

Aby67 08-31-2018 05:28 PM

Hello, any news of any motherboard release for WX class AMD CPU's, as there is none at the moment?

The Gigabyte is only 10 phase gamers MB, and the MSI (also a low tier AMD CPU Gamers MB) does not support offset voltage, which defeats the purpose of having 16 VRMS (and PBO unless you wanna burn ur CPU before threadripper 64 core), which are anyhow not enough for the 2990x if u wanna OC or even PBO and use it for serious 24/7 WS LOADS...

I dont even wanna mention only 4 PCIE 16 slots instead of 7 or even 8

Why are there only two motherboards for low tier TR 2, and nothing WS class with maybe 24 phases , for VRM efficiency, for WX series? W stands for workstation.

@ENTERPRISE any idea on possibility for WS motherboadrs...I really do not wanna have to buy x599 Intel because there is no WC class motherboards for TR?!....p.s. yeah Watercool block is the only decent out there but, wont be enough for when the CPUs will cover the whole pcb area of that CPU, peopel tend to forget or not realize that Threaripper and Epyc at this moment are only covering half of the PCB, which warrants a EPYC 128 cores and a threadripper 64 cores one day....if not even double that amount on 3 NM

lowdog 08-31-2018 06:13 PM

Msi MEG does have offset voltage option in bios!

1usmus 09-02-2018 04:46 AM

@lowdog
1.21 for MEG this is an unofficial bios, will be released in a few weeks ;)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=14m...gTwe9uWrv785Mj

the biasing option does not work for me in the range of 0.0125-0.1V

now I use manual overclocking as a temporary solution

@ENTERPRISE @josephimports
thanks! :)

lowdog 09-02-2018 10:48 PM

@1usmus

Thanks but I already got the 121 bios from MSI a week ago which fixed my Gen 1 TR 1900X failing to down volt and down clock when idle.

MSI are supposed to be working on fixing the MEG failing to wake from S3 sleep and freeze/locking the system causing one to have to hard power off the system at the wall socket as the only solution to get the system back up and running.

Kana Chan 09-03-2018 12:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aby67 (Post 27604534)
The Gigabyte is only 10 phase gamers MB, and the MSI (also a low tier AMD CPU Gamers MB) does not support offset voltage, which defeats the purpose of having 16 VRMS (and PBO unless you wanna burn ur CPU before threadripper 64 core), which are anyhow not enough for the 2990x if u wanna OC or even PBO and use it for serious 24/7 WS LOADS...

Why are there only two motherboards for low tier TR 2, and nothing WS class with maybe 24 phases , for VRM efficiency, for WX series? W stands for workstation.

What's wrong with 16 phases?
1950X + Gen1 boards were 2cores/phase. 32cores/16phases is still 2cores/phase + they're at least 5% more efficient per phase than their 60A variants and possibly higher since they're rated at higher input voltage.

Hefny 09-03-2018 01:52 AM


ssateneth 09-03-2018 02:32 AM

Why is there STILL talk about VRM here and still complaining? Let me just copy paste this again.

Asrock X399 Taichi: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
Asrock X399M Taichi: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
Asrock Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.

ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
ASUS PRIME X399-A: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
ASUS ROG STRIX X399-E GAMING: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.

Gigabyte X399 AORUS Gaming 7: 8 phase 50 amp for vcore, or 400 amps. 400 amps @ 1.35vcore is 540 watts of available power.
Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX: 8 phase 50 amp for vcore, or 400 amps. 400 amps @ 1.35vcore is 540 watts of available power.
Gigabyte X399 AORUS XTREME: 10 phase (using doublers) 50 amp for vcore, or 500 amps. 500 amps @ 1.35vcore is 675 watts of available power.

MSI X399 GAMING PRO CARBON AC: 10 phase (using doublers) 60 amp for vcore, or 600 amps. 600 amps @ 1.35vcore is 810 watts of available power.
MSI X399 SLI PLUS: 10 phase (using doublers) 60 amp for vcore, or 600 amps. 600 amps @ 1.35vcore is 810 watts of available power.
MSI MEG X399 CREATION: 16 phase (using doublers) no data on TDA21472 but if we assume 60 amp for vcore, that comes to 960 amps. 960 amps @ 1.35vcore is 1296 watts of available power.

Seriously, the VRM is fine on all boards, with the exception of the Gigabyte release boards (And even then, it's not THAT bad. You would have to be running chilled liquid and a silly amount of voltage and synthetic load to even approach 500 watts on a 16 core AMD). As long as you keep VRM cool, you are fine.

cekim 09-03-2018 11:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssateneth (Post 27607168)
Why is there STILL talk about VRM here and still complaining? Let me just copy paste this again.

Asrock X399 Taichi: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
Asrock X399M Taichi: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
...

Seriously, the VRM is fine on all boards, with the exception of the Gigabyte release boards (And even then, it's not THAT bad. You would have to be running chilled liquid and a silly amount of voltage and synthetic load to even approach 500 watts on a 16 core AMD). As long as you keep VRM cool, you are fine.

If you are actually planning on running it at its peak, keeping it cool while pumping out a sustained 450W+ of power is harder in practice than the theory of “just keep it cool”. You don’t want to run your VRM at the top of its temp/current limits. Keeping them requires more phases or loud fans. It should be less of an issue with the 2950 than the 2990, but both are pushing 8 phases past their limit.

I’m curious to see what 2950x voltages look like at 4.4Ghz... the 2990 even at single core load requesting ludicrous voltages for 4.2 much less 4.4

1usmus 09-03-2018 11:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ssateneth (Post 27607168)
Why is there STILL talk about VRM here and still complaining? Let me just copy paste this again.

Asrock X399 Taichi: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
Asrock X399M Taichi: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
Asrock Fatal1ty X399 Professional Gaming: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.

ASUS ROG ZENITH EXTREME: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
ASUS PRIME X399-A: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.
ASUS ROG STRIX X399-E GAMING: 8 phase 60 amp for vcore, or 480 amps. 480 amps @ 1.35vcore is 648 watts of available power.

Gigabyte X399 AORUS Gaming 7: 8 phase 50 amp for vcore, or 400 amps. 400 amps @ 1.35vcore is 540 watts of available power.
Gigabyte X399 DESIGNARE EX: 8 phase 50 amp for vcore, or 400 amps. 400 amps @ 1.35vcore is 540 watts of available power.
Gigabyte X399 AORUS XTREME: 10 phase (using doublers) 50 amp for vcore, or 500 amps. 500 amps @ 1.35vcore is 675 watts of available power.

MSI X399 GAMING PRO CARBON AC: 10 phase (using doublers) 60 amp for vcore, or 600 amps. 600 amps @ 1.35vcore is 810 watts of available power.
MSI X399 SLI PLUS: 10 phase (using doublers) 60 amp for vcore, or 600 amps. 600 amps @ 1.35vcore is 810 watts of available power.
MSI MEG X399 CREATION: 16 phase (using doublers) no data on TDA21472 but if we assume 60 amp for vcore, that comes to 960 amps. 960 amps @ 1.35vcore is 1296 watts of available power.

Seriously, the VRM is fine on all boards, with the exception of the Gigabyte release boards (And even then, it's not THAT bad. You would have to be running chilled liquid and a silly amount of voltage and synthetic load to even approach 500 watts on a 16 core AMD). As long as you keep VRM cool, you are fine.

60A is theoretical power , but it is very far from reality.
1) The doubled phase gives up to +30% power, not +100%
2) The power depends on the temperature and other factors, the graphs you can find on the manufacturer's website.

It is necessary to divide these figures by 2 or 3, then it will be true.

ENTERPRISE 09-04-2018 01:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by josephimports (Post 27603698)
Its a fantastic block, no doubt.

Yeah I just installed mine yesterday and it is a beast no doubt !

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aby67 (Post 27604534)
Hello, any news of any motherboard release for WX class AMD CPU's, as there is none at the moment?

The Gigabyte is only 10 phase gamers MB, and the MSI (also a low tier AMD CPU Gamers MB) does not support offset voltage, which defeats the purpose of having 16 VRMS (and PBO unless you wanna burn ur CPU before threadripper 64 core), which are anyhow not enough for the 2990x if u wanna OC or even PBO and use it for serious 24/7 WS LOADS...

I dont even wanna mention only 4 PCIE 16 slots instead of 7 or even 8

Why are there only two motherboards for low tier TR 2, and nothing WS class with maybe 24 phases , for VRM efficiency, for WX series? W stands for workstation.

@ENTERPRISE any idea on possibility for WS motherboadrs...I really do not wanna have to buy x599 Intel because there is no WC class motherboards for TR?!....p.s. yeah Watercool block is the only decent out there but, wont be enough for when the CPUs will cover the whole pcb area of that CPU, peopel tend to forget or not realize that Threaripper and Epyc at this moment are only covering half of the PCB, which warrants a EPYC 128 cores and a threadripper 64 cores one day....if not even double that amount on 3 NM

I have no idea I am afraid, not something I particularly follow.

1usmus 09-04-2018 03:45 AM

@lowdog
MEG BIOS 1.22 (04.09.2018)
https://drive.google.com/open?id=1fR...m151XzRX8bv8Qr

ENTERPRISE 09-04-2018 01:25 PM

Having to mess about a little to get 4.1 on all cores on the 2990WX on the Meg Creation. I also noticed after tinkering, my Cinebench score taks like 4000 points. Anyone got a settings dump from the BIOS I can use to try and attain 4/4.1 Ghz ?

Cheers.

lowdog 09-04-2018 02:06 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1usmus (Post 27608504)



@1usmus


Thanks will give it a try. Any idea of what it fixes??? How did you get hold of it - is there am MSI ftp site or something where they drop betas?


I'm still waiting on them to get back to me with a fix for the system won't resume from S3 sleep without freeze locking the system.

lowdog 09-04-2018 02:57 PM

woooops fail post

lowdog 09-04-2018 03:00 PM

2950X is onboard with courier for delivery today...….Yay

Now MEG just needs some Bios love from MSI!!

Flashed to bios 122 and will test and compare to 121.

lowdog 09-04-2018 03:39 PM

So far with bios 122 the system has woken from sleep twice now but will need further testing to conclude this issue is actually fixed for good.

Adjusting SOC voltages is sill broken as in bios 100, 110 and 121. Here is a description of the SOC voltage issue I emailed to MSI, they replicated the issue and said they were working on a fix;

Here is my finding with SOC voltage adjustment with bios 100, 110 and 121

I am testing with 4 x 16GB modules G.Skill TridentZ - F4-3200C14Q-64GTZ

If I set XMP profile 2 – 3200MHz and reboot the grey SOC voltage is reading 1.112 and cannot be adjusted, if you try to adjust it the grey value stays the same 1.112v.

If I set XMP profile 1 – 2933MHz and reboot the grey SOC voltage is reading 1.164 and can be adjusted both up and down multiple times and the grey value will correspond closely to adjusted/set values ie;

Set SOC 1.025 – grey value = 1.036

Set SOC 1.050 – grey value = 1.062

Set SOC 1.075 – grey value = 1.088

So in summary of findings if ram frequency is set manually to 2933MHz or XMP Profile 1 – 2933MHz the auto set SOC grey reading after reboot is 1.164 and CAN be adjusted multiple times and will STICK/TAKE and show adjusted value in grey. Manual set frequency above 2933MHz or XMP Profile 2 – 3200MHz after reboot will show an auto set SOC grey value of 1.112 and cannot be adjusted.

However if you adjust SOC voltage FIRST before setting a manual memory frequency above 2933MHz or XMP Profile 2 – 3200MHz and reboot it will show the adjusted SOC voltage in grey, eg; set SOC 1.05 set manual mem frequency 3200MHz and reboot grey SOC value will be 1.062. However if you try to adjust SOC voltage again after this point and reboot the grey SOC value will show 1.112 which is what it sets at auto to memory frequencies above 2933MHz and cannot be adjusted further after this point.

sblantipodi 09-04-2018 05:59 PM

Guys can I buy the 2950x with zenith extreme or will I regret it?.
Is it a stable platform? Is it a good mobo?

sblantipodi 09-04-2018 06:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by <sigh> (Post 27603960)
Me too, just ordered the 2950x from amazon EU, just wish I could swap my Zenith Extreme for a MEG.

I'm going to buy the zenith extreme.
Should I buy the meg?

Why?

I'm not interested in big overclock

lowdog 09-04-2018 06:28 PM

I would assume the Zenith would be fine for the 2950X as long as you don't intend to run ridiculous voltages through it and expect unrealistic CPU oc frequencies, wait to see what others say and whether they concur.

sblantipodi 09-05-2018 12:34 AM

The things I don't like of the zenith is the small fan it have.
Is it audible? Generally those small fans are so nervous

lowdog 09-05-2018 12:58 AM

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Is this correct, my 2950X when fully loaded on all cores is sitting at an all core boost of 3950MHz with 1.244V...….I didn't think the all core boost was that high????

1usmus 09-05-2018 10:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27609300)
Having to mess about a little to get 4.1 on all cores on the 2990WX on the Meg Creation. I also noticed after tinkering, my Cinebench score taks like 4000 points. Anyone got a settings dump from the BIOS I can use to try and attain 4/4.1 Ghz ?

Cheers.

but what's the point? the reasonable limit will remain at 3.8 GHz, every 100MHz it will be + 100W
the frequency dependence of the voltage is a parabola, and not a straight line

ENTERPRISE 09-05-2018 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1usmus (Post 27610578)
but what's the point? the reasonable limit will remain at 3.8 GHz, every 100MHz it will be + 100W
the frequency dependence of the voltage is a parabola, and not a straight line

That is very true. 3.8 on all cores is nothing shabby though considering it is a 32 core CPU, Guess I will tinker to achieve around 3.8Ghz and see where that leaves me, looking to shoot for the Cinebench 6000 Points mark as per I know what you have achieved. Was that using the Cinebench preset in the BIOS or something else ?

Cheers.

1usmus 09-05-2018 11:19 AM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27610636)
That is very true. 3.8 on all cores is nothing shabby though considering it is a 32 core CPU, Guess I will tinker to achieve around 3.8Ghz and see where that leaves me, looking to shoot for the Cinebench 6000 Points mark as per I know what you have achieved. Was that using the Cinebench preset in the BIOS or something else ?

Cheers.

in half an hour I will publish new results ;)

JohnnyFlash 09-05-2018 11:57 AM

I would love to see benchmarks of gaming while running handbrake HEVC on the back 16 cores vs gaming on it's own.

sblantipodi 09-05-2018 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JohnnyFlash (Post 27610740)
I would love to see benchmarks of gaming while running handbrake HEVC on the back 16 cores vs gaming on it's own.

those CPU are really badass.

1usmus 09-05-2018 12:29 PM

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Guru3d 6100 on 4.1Ghz vs my 6554 on 4.1Ghz
magic :D

https://www.guru3d.com/articles_page...review,20.html

lowdog 09-05-2018 04:36 PM

No hope of stability @ 3200MHz with 4 x 16GB DR b-die regardless of settings with bios 122 was just BSOD city.....had to drop back to 3066MHz and testing now.



Game mode on 2950X when set to high performance power plan was constant 4.35GHz on all cores

sblantipodi 09-05-2018 04:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27611072)
No hope of stability @ 3200MHz with 4 x 16GB DR b-die regardless of settings with bios 122 was just BSOD city.....had to drop back to 3066MHz and testing now.



Game mode on 2950X when set to high performance power plan was constant 4.35GHz on all cores

Wow nice. Can't wait to get my big boy. The 2950X.
Are you ok with it? What mobo pushes it?

Do you feel real benefits with game mode? Isn't pbo enough?

ENTERPRISE 09-05-2018 11:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by 1usmus (Post 27610640)
Quote:

Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27610636)
That is very true. 3.8 on all cores is nothing shabby though considering it is a 32 core CPU, Guess I will tinker to achieve around 3.8Ghz and see where that leaves me, looking to shoot for the Cinebench 6000 Points mark as per I know what you have achieved. Was that using the Cinebench preset in the BIOS or something else ?

Cheers.

in half an hour I will publish new results [IMG class=inlineimg]/forum/images/smilies/wink.gif[/IMG]

Nice !

sblantipodi 09-06-2018 12:22 AM

I would like to buy the 2950X to use it with virtual machines and Android studio that is way much heavy on my current i7 5930k but I like to play games and I'm going to buy a rtx 2080ti.

Do you think that the 2950x will be able to play games without problems for the next four years with some new GPUs?
I did it no problem with my 5930k.

lowdog 09-06-2018 12:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sblantipodi (Post 27611442)
I would like to buy the 2950X to use it with virtual machines and Android studio that is way much heavy on my current i7 5930k but I like to play games and I'm going to buy a rtx 2080ti.

Do you think that the 2950x will be able to play games without problems for the next four years with some new GPUs?
I did it no problem with my 5930k.


@sblantipodi


You worry toooo much! The 2950X will rock just fine for what you want to do and you won't have issue with gaming especially with a high end card like a RTX 2080ti (heavens the 2080 thing hasn't even been released yet let alone reviewed so hold those horses for a moment sheesh!)


Basically - the 2950X is a great cpu and it will more than sufice, grab it and the MEG and don't look back!

Fitzcaraldo 09-06-2018 12:44 AM

You don't even need the MEG for the 2950x. Any 8-phase x399 with an updated BIOS will work just fine as the 2950x isn't more power hungry than the 1950x before it.

lowdog 09-06-2018 12:47 AM

BTW.....MSI gave me beta bios v123 today to test and it's looking good so far!

Wake from S3 sleep freezing the system with debug code 00 now seems fixed and the system has woken from S3 sleep correctly every time so far. The issue with changing SOC voltages and having them not apply/take is also fixed so changing SOC voltages now works correctly.....good work MSI.

Official bios with the fixes will probably come soon once they test some more and don't find any other issues.

sblantipodi 09-06-2018 12:50 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27611452)
@sblantipodi


You worry toooo much! The 2950X will rock just fine for what you want to do and you won't have issue with gaming especially with a high end card like a RTX 2080ti (heavens the 2080 thing hasn't even been released yet let alone reviewed so hold those horses for a moment sheesh!)


Basically - the 2950X is a great cpu and it will more than sufice, grab it and the MEG and don't look back!

Ok, thank you man, I think that I will grab this CPU.
I have another month for "thinking" because I need to wait the case, I don't have an EATX case and the Phanteks Evolv X will arrive on october.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Fitzcaraldo (Post 27611460)
You don't even need the MEG for the 2950x. Any 8-phase x399 with an updated BIOS will work just fine as the 2950x isn't more power hungry than the 1950x before it.

meg is pretty expensive like the zenith, what about the Asus Strix?

lowdog 09-06-2018 12:55 AM

If your keen and willing to be throwing $$$$$ at the yet to be released or reviewed 2080 then you can afford a MEG I'd say!!!!

sblantipodi 09-06-2018 12:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27611462)
BTW.....MSI gave me beta bios v123 today to test and it's looking good so far!

Wake from S3 sleep freezing the system with debug code 00 now seems fixed and the system has woken from S3 sleep correctly every time so far. The issue with changing SOC voltages and having them not apply/take is also fixed so changing SOC voltages now works correctly.....good work MSI.

Official bios with the fixes will probably come soon once they test some more and don't find any other issues.

another question please,
what should I expect from the 2950X IMC?
will it support 3400MHz RAM? 3600MHz? what's the average safe frequency that this processor support?

lowdog 09-06-2018 01:02 AM

Above 2667MHz is all OC so your millage will vary according to the silicone lottery, with b-die SR 8GB modules x 4 (G.Skill Flare X) you should get from 2933/3200MHz fairly comfortably, any frequency above that is just cream!


I'm limited to 3066MHz with my 2950X with 4 x 16GB DR b-die but I haven't really put in much time to try frequencies above this yet. I also have 2 x kits of Flare X so I will try them at a later date....they did 3400Mhz fine with my 1900X so will see how they go with the 2950X. The Flare X will no doubt go higher but whether I have the patience to get there or not is another matter.

sblantipodi 09-06-2018 01:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27611480)
Above 2667MHz is all OC so your millage will vary according to the silicone lottery, with b-die SR 8GB modules x 4 (G.Skill Flare X) you should get from 2933/3200MHz fairly comfortably, any frequency above that is just cream!


I'm limited to 3066MHz with my 2950X with 4 x 16GB DR b-die but I haven't really put in much time to try frequencies above this yet. I also have 2 x kits of Flare X so I will try them at a later date....they did 3400Mhz fine with my 1900X so will see how they go with the 2950X. The Flare X will no doubt go higher but whether I have the patience to get there or not is another matter.

I would like to get the Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO, how can I know if they have the correct D.O.C.P. profile for the asus motherboard or the correct XMP profile for the MEG?
thank you bro

ENTERPRISE 09-06-2018 01:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27611462)
BTW.....MSI gave me beta bios v123 today to test and it's looking good so far!

Wake from S3 sleep freezing the system with debug code 00 now seems fixed and the system has woken from S3 sleep correctly every time so far. The issue with changing SOC voltages and having them not apply/take is also fixed so changing SOC voltages now works correctly.....good work MSI.

Official bios with the fixes will probably come soon once they test some more and don't find any other issues.

Sweet ! Looking forward to that. One thing I will say is its a shame the MEG does not have as many power user options as the Asus boards within the BIOS. I was surprised to see its a lot more basic.

Fitzcaraldo 09-06-2018 02:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sblantipodi (Post 27611470)
meg is pretty expensive like the zenith, what about the Asus Strix?

Personal recommendation: Look no further than the Asrock x399 Taichi (Fatal1ty if you want 10Gb onboard).

lowdog 09-06-2018 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27611518)
Sweet ! Looking forward to that. One thing I will say is its a shame the MEG does not have as many power user options as the Asus boards within the BIOS. I was surprised to see its a lot more basic.


Yeah it's basic, haven't used the Asus but have the X399 Asrock Fat Pro and it's basic in comparison to that but hey, if it can get you to the same place without all the extra options then that's all good in my mind. Don't really want to spend excessive time in the bios anyway, would rather set and forget as long as the results are there and it's stable at the desktop lol.

sblantipodi 09-06-2018 03:02 AM

I know that 2950X is not a CPU meant for gaming only but this links:
https://wccftech.com/battlefield-v-c...ha-benchmarks/

makes me doubt about getting a threadripper. if ryzen 2700X is a bottleneck in some games, 2950x would not be so different :(

ENTERPRISE 09-06-2018 03:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27611564)
Quote:

Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27611518)
Sweet ! Looking forward to that. One thing I will say is its a shame the MEG does not have as many power user options as the Asus boards within the BIOS. I was surprised to see its a lot more basic.


Yeah it's basic, haven't used the Asus but have the X399 Asrock Fat Pro and it's basic in comparison to that but hey, if it can get you to the same place without all the extra options then that's all good in my mind. Don't really want to spend excessive time in the bios anyway, would rather set and forget as long as the results are there and it's stable at the desktop lol.

Completely agree, looking forward to your post with your findings that allow you to get 6500+ in Cinebench !

lowdog 09-06-2018 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27611578)
Completely agree, looking forward to your post with your findings that allow you to get 6500+ in Cinebench !


LOl is that sarcasm?.....for a start there is no way a 2950X is going to hit those numbers in Cinebench, plus Cinebench isn't much of a fun game to play so I hardly ever give it a look in. I'll just rip my vids and play some games and I'm sure this set up will keep doing all that fine for quite a few years to come. been spending too much schmackers on computer stuff as of late....last 10 years and wifey wants me to curtail the want not need mentality so I will have to oblige her and be content with my latest setup for a while.

Fitzcaraldo 09-06-2018 03:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by sblantipodi (Post 27611570)
I know that 2950X is not a CPU meant for gaming only but this links:
https://wccftech.com/battlefield-v-c...ha-benchmarks/

makes me doubt about getting a threadripper. if ryzen 2700X is a bottleneck in some games, 2950x would not be so different :(

Those charts are extremely misleading.

While it is indisputably true that most games play better on an Intel CPU simply because they hog few processes and love high frequency, it is wrong to thus conclude that the experience on an AMD Ryzen will be *bad*. Additionally, the Alpha was a mess all over and nowhere near optimized. In addition, the higher up you go with res, the less relevant the CPU in question becomes even if there still will be a difference.

Threadripper is an enthusiast grade HEDT CPU. Its appeal lies in its versatility and raw computational prowess. It might not be the best in everything but it will DO everything you want and not go tits up.

rdr09 09-06-2018 05:35 AM

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Originally Posted by sblantipodi (Post 27611570)
I know that 2950X is not a CPU meant for gaming only but this links:
https://wccftech.com/battlefield-v-c...ha-benchmarks/

makes me doubt about getting a threadripper. if ryzen 2700X is a bottleneck in some games, 2950x would not be so different :(

I've seen the R7 1700/GTX 1070 got higher fps in 1080 Ultra than that. Something is off.

sblantipodi 09-06-2018 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Fitzcaraldo (Post 27611602)
Those charts are extremely misleading.

While it is indisputably true that most games play better on an Intel CPU simply because they hog few processes and love high frequency, it is wrong to thus conclude that the experience on an AMD Ryzen will be *bad*. Additionally, the Alpha was a mess all over and nowhere near optimized. In addition, the higher up you go with res, the less relevant the CPU in question becomes even if there still will be a difference.

Threadripper is an enthusiast grade HEDT CPU. Its appeal lies in its versatility and raw computational prowess. It might not be the best in everything but it will DO everything you want and not go tits up.

good answer :D

ENTERPRISE 09-06-2018 07:10 AM

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Originally Posted by lowdog (Post 27611586)
Quote:

Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27611578)
Completely agree, looking forward to your post with your findings that allow you to get 6500+ in Cinebench !


LOl is that sarcasm?.....for a start there is no way a 2950X is going to hit those numbers in Cinebench, plus Cinebench isn't much of a fun game to play so I hardly ever give it a look in. I'll just rip my vids and play some games and I'm sure this set up will keep doing all that fine for quite a few years to come. been spending too much schmackers on computer stuff as of late....last 10 years and wifey wants me to curtail the want not need mentality so I will have to oblige her and be content with my latest setup for a while.

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No Sarcasm, but I could have sworn I saw you mention that figure somewhere.

1usmus 09-06-2018 10:06 AM

@lowdog

123? lol
the next update will be 12345 :D

sblantipodi 09-06-2018 12:02 PM

is there someone who use Android Studio here?
I have heard that until recently Ryzen had some problems with the hardware acceleration and the AVDs from Android Studio.

Is there someone who has experience with this problem?
Is now all solved completely?
Do you still need HyperV to overcome the problem?

Thanks

lowdog 09-06-2018 01:58 PM

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Originally Posted by ENTERPRISE (Post 27611784)
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No Sarcasm, but I could have sworn I saw you mention that figure somewhere.



@ENTERPRISE Lol not me, that was @1usmus who posted the Cinebenched 6500 score.

sblantipodi 09-06-2018 02:00 PM

Hi guys why don't you post some photos of your EPIC build?
It's not EPYC but Threadripper seems to be as EPIC.


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