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Simmons572 10-01-2018 11:54 AM

TC Change Proposals: Updated March 2019
 
Hey everyone, it looks like this thread is seems to be the go-to for suggesting changes to the TC, so I will attempt to keep this up to date as proposals are made.


March 2019

Adding GPU's to the TC:

GPU-O
  • RTX 2080 (already in place)
  • RTX 2070
  • Vega VII

GPU-L
  • RTX 2060
  • GTX 1660 Ti

AMD
  • RX 590

The 2080 Ti, Titan V and Titan RTX seem to be a bit too big for the time being.



Last Ruling, Enacted Fall 2018:
Spoiler!

Simmons572 10-01-2018 12:00 PM

As for some justification for my category choices:

https://i.imgur.com/gVX7Iu0.png

The top portion here is the current category limits, the average PPD based on the PPD database, and the highest grossing WU's based on the database.
The bottom portion is my proposed change, based on numbers from the database.

By increasing the Upper limit of GPU-O and GPU-L, there will not be as significant of a gap between the 2 categories. I expect there to be an overlap until we can get proper hardware slotted into GPU-O.
AMD remains unchanged, until we can get more info about the Vega 56/64/FE GPUs.
nVidia's upper limit has been raised to match the AMD category. This way teams can remain a bit more competitive cross categories.
GPU-W's upper limit has been raised to match the former nVidia category. This should put PPD close to what 16C/32T CPU's can put out these days.

tictoc 10-01-2018 12:11 PM

I can get some Vega 64 numbers posted later this week. I'm retiring a Vega 64 from my testing server, and moving it into my main machine later in the week. Most of the numbers will be in Linux, but I could run it in Windows for a bit before I swap it into my main rig.


On the subject of the new category limits, what you have there looks good so far. I especially like the idea of bumping up the CPU categories. Even though CPU folding is not what it once was, we may be able to snag a few more people with cores to spare, now that high thread count CPUs are becoming more prevalent.

mmonnin 10-01-2018 02:32 PM

1050/1050Ti cards are common. I'm guessing GPU-W? Might want to just find a spot for the last 2 generations of AMD/NV cards. Vega/Polaris and Pascal/Maxwell.

Simmons572 10-01-2018 05:19 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tictoc (Post 27647188)
I can get some Vega 64 numbers posted later this week. I'm retiring a Vega 64 from my testing server, and moving it into my main machine later in the week. Most of the numbers will be in Linux, but I could run it in Windows for a bit before I swap it into my main rig.


On the subject of the new category limits, what you have there looks good so far. I especially like the idea of bumping up the CPU categories. Even though CPU folding is not what it once was, we may be able to snag a few more people with cores to spare, now that high thread count CPUs are becoming more prevalent.

Thanks for the input bud. And Vega 64 numbers would be great to have, that should give us a good idea about where Vega 56 performs as well.

Quote:

Originally Posted by mmonnin (Post 27647360)
1050/1050Ti cards are common. I'm guessing GPU-W? Might want to just find a spot for the last 2 generations of AMD/NV cards. Vega/Polaris and Pascal/Maxwell.

The 1050 ti looks like it sits at 193k PPD on average. That would be just above the 780. I think it makes sense, so I will add it to the list :)

I believe we have covered the spectrum of Pascal here. Once we get some info about the Vega GPUs, I was considering putting Vega at the top end of the AMD category, which would mean making the 980ti the top end of the nVidia category. I think that could definitely work, but we will need more info first.

Thanks for the input folks!

CynicalUnicorn 10-01-2018 07:25 PM

Question: why the 16C/32T limit in the i7 category? That limits X299 users to the 7960X; they can’t use the 7980XE and its 18 cores. Both of them will likely have enough thermal issues that the 12.5% extra cores on the 7980XE won’t be close to 12.5% higher PPD.

Admittedly I’m not familiar with either CPU’s folding performance, but I am familiar with the abysmal thermal limitations. A 7960X due to its reduced core count and therefore power consumption ought to hit somewhat higher clockspeeds than a 7980XE and reach similar performance.

If you’re worried about paying to win, just remember that there’s a $1000 difference between a 7980XE and 2950X. That’s a lot of extra money to be thrown at a cooling system.

tictoc 10-01-2018 07:32 PM

In the past it has usually been OK to use higher core count CPUs, as long as the the folding was limited to the maximum number of allowed threads with the client.

Simmons572 10-02-2018 07:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by tictoc (Post 27647702)
In the past it has usually been OK to use higher core count CPUs, as long as the the folding was limited to the maximum number of allowed threads with the client.

Basically this. By setting the limit at 16C/32T, people will be able to use basically whatever CPU they want in this day and age, and if they have a CPU that has more cores, just limit it to the 16C/32T requirement.

WonderMutt 10-02-2018 07:18 AM

I'll cast my vote to agree with all of this, it all looks good to me. Also, maybe shaking things up a bit will bring more people into the Fold (pun very much intended!).

Simmons572 10-02-2018 07:23 AM

I think the biggest pain for all of this is getting hardware shuffled around, so once we get some more input, we can decide on a date to put forth the change, and I can work with the editors to ensure a smoov transition :D


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