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miklkit 12-19-2018 10:05 AM

It's Utah. This is what they want for all of us. The Salem Witch Hunts will be back in vogue if they have their way.

tpi2007 12-19-2018 10:41 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thOmen (Post 27766942)
Spoiler!


But parents are liable and accountable just like they always were, the law doesn't change one iota about that, you still seem to be putting words and intentions in the law that simply aren't there and with that you're making a big deal out of nothing. If a future law becomes intrusive or nanny state like, then I'll agree with you, but this is just providing information that the parents are 100% free to do what they want with it, including nothing, and said information could have been accomplished with a single sentence on a single monthly bill if it weren't for this particular ISP to mess it up due to their commercial interests in the specific Norton package offer.

7thOmen 12-19-2018 11:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tpi2007 (Post 27767004)
But parents are liable and accountable just like they always were, the law doesn't change one iota about that, you still seem to be putting words and intentions in the law that simply aren't there and with that you're making a big deal out of nothing. If a future law becomes intrusive or nanny state like, then I'll agree with you, but this is just providing information that the parents are 100% free to do what they want with it, including nothing, and said information could have been accomplished with a single sentence on a single monthly bill if it weren't for this particular ISP to mess it up due to their commercial interests in the specific Norton package offer.


Fair enough.


Although your first sentence shows me how dire this issue truly is.


A couple of things have become clear to me; that there does not seem to be a way for me to articulate my thought process in a manner you can understand, and that OCN is not the correct forum for me to attempt to pursue clarity.


I pass the Conch to you for any final words as I am finished with this.


Omen

mothergoose729 12-20-2018 10:56 AM

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Originally Posted by 7thOmen (Post 27766656)
Why are 'we' mad at CenturyTel? Why are 'we' NOT mad at the fact that there needs to be another law that reduces and/or replaces parents responsibilities? How about we take accountability for our own actions instead of allowing the creation of some nanny state?


"Uncle Sam, mah kids found teh pron! Oh, heavens me, please do somethin' so I don't have to and let me get back to my self-centered life, puhleeease!"


Tragic...


Omen

More ludicrous still is the fear of sex in the first place. Violent or degrading porn is one thing, but what way do teenagers need to be protected from graphic sex?

Quote:

Originally Posted by tpi2007 (Post 27767004)
But parents are liable and accountable just like they always were, the law doesn't change one iota about that, you still seem to be putting words and intentions in the law that simply aren't there and with that you're making a big deal out of nothing. If a future law becomes intrusive or nanny state like, then I'll agree with you, but this is just providing information that the parents are 100% free to do what they want with it, including nothing, and said information could have been accomplished with a single sentence on a single monthly bill if it weren't for this particular ISP to mess it up due to their commercial interests in the specific Norton package offer.

It's a legislative bazooka to tackle what is objectively a non issue. There is already software available to filter internet content on a local network, that would be just as ineffective and silly as what the ISP is offering here.

xJumper 12-20-2018 12:42 PM

So how exactly did they do this? Some kind of DNS proxy setup in their router/modem package? All the more reason to not use ISP provided hardware.

My ISP had something like that setup so I had to agree to a bunch of terms and stuff before I could use the internet, I just VPN'ed past their DNS proxy and was able to use the net for like a month until I found the time to read it all, agree and sign.

New green 12-20-2018 01:17 PM

Weapons of psychological warfare are a means to use communication technology to sway public opinion.

I see nothing wrong with Utah’s state law that informs parents about available tools that they can use as they see fit.

I see everything wrong with deactivating a service to promote an advertisement in this manner.

rbarrett96 12-26-2018 06:36 AM

"Lawsuit Inc. If the FTC doesn't do anything about this one, seems net neutrality really is dead and the FTC is powerless to stop them."



The FTC has never had any power. They don't make laws.

Asmodian 12-31-2018 09:44 AM

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Originally Posted by xJumper (Post 27768750)
So how exactly did they do this? Some kind of DNS proxy setup in their router/modem package? All the more reason to not use ISP provided hardware.

My ISP had something like that setup so I had to agree to a bunch of terms and stuff before I could use the internet, I just VPN'ed past their DNS proxy and was able to use the net for like a month until I found the time to read it all, agree and sign.

They don't need any hardware on your end of the connection. They control the hardware your router plugs into so of course they can do whatever they want to your traffic, no matter what hardware you use at home.

This blocks the VPN as well, they cannot spy on or inject data into the VPN traffic but your VPN client doesn't get the expected response from whoever you connect to, because the ISP is injecting the ad instead of letting the response from the VPN server through. Your VPN connection goes down and you cannot connect to a VPN again before acknowledging the ad so they let your normal traffic through.


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