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flyinion 01-16-2019 01:58 PM

Need mobo direction for new build 9700K or maybe 9900K
 
Hey guys time to start looking for an upgrade to my seriously aging 4790K and Maximus VII Formula build. I'm looking at either a 9700K or 9900K due to the single thread performance which I still need for old stuff like Microsoft Flightsim X which seriously depends on max single thread performance to do well. I'm really lost on where to even start looking for boards this time though. Last time the field was seriously narrowed by wanting built in wifi and needing sound with built in headphone amp. I don't need EITHER of those this time around though. I want the capability to overclock but won't be planning on doing anything extreme though I may eventually go full water and try to push it a bit down the road just for fun. I don't do SLI so that's not concern either.

As long as the brand/model is reliable and the brand has pretty good customer service and driver updates I'm open. I was thinking of EVGA's Z390 FTW since I've run their boards before but it's been a while and I know they had some pretty bad products for a while in that segment. I'm on Asus now and it's been ok other than a notable lack of real updates not too far in. I haven't used Gigabyte before though I've always heard good things. Trying to keep the board cost around or under 200 if possible but really don't want to go much/any past 250 if it can be helped. Especially since I'm not looking for the extra wifi or high end sound goodies like headphone amps.

The Pook 01-16-2019 02:21 PM

Z390 Aorus Ultra ($239) or AsRock Z390 Taichi ($224) get my vote. Taichi frequently dips to under $200 and has been as low as $180, but at current prices I'd go for the Aorus Ultra over the Taichi.

The cheapest I'd go with a 9700/9900K is the Aorus Pro ($189).

flyinion 01-16-2019 02:30 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 27809926)
Z390 Aorus Ultra ($239) or AsRock Z390 Taichi ($224) get my vote. Taichi frequently dips to under $200 and has been as low as $180, but at current prices I'd go for the Aorus Ultra over the Taichi.

The cheapest I'd go with a 9700/9900K is the Aorus Pro ($189).

Thanks! I'm liking the look of the Ultra. Price is good. I don't necessarily need the wifi anymore but it's not a bad thing either. I was wifi until probably 8 months ago I upgraded to Google WiFi pucks and one of them is in my office and I'm hardwired to it instead of wifi to an Xfinity router at the other end of the house.

The Pook 01-16-2019 02:49 PM

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Originally Posted by flyinion (Post 27809944)
Thanks! I'm liking the look of the Ultra. Price is good. I don't necessarily need the wifi anymore but it's not a bad thing either. I was wifi until probably 8 months ago I upgraded to Google WiFi pucks and one of them is in my office and I'm hardwired to it instead of wifi to an Xfinity router at the other end of the house.


Aside from VRM upgrades to support 8 cores, the main differences between Z370 and Z390 are built in 802.11ac/bluetooth and USB 3.1. All the boards without it aren't ones you'd want to run an 8 core on :p

flyinion 01-16-2019 02:54 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 27809970)
Aside from VRM upgrades to support 8 cores, the main differences between Z370 and Z390 are built in 802.11ac/bluetooth and USB 3.1. All the boards without it aren't ones you'd want to run an 8 core on :p

Ahhhh good info to know, thanks!

jfriend00 01-16-2019 04:33 PM

I'm running an i7-9700k on ASRock Z390 Taichi. It was trivial to overclock the CPU to 5.0GHz, even on auto settings for that board (obviously, it depends a bit on your silicon lottery draw with your particular CPU). But, from everything I can tell, I have about an average CPU. I can run it at 5.1GHz, but it isn't stable under stress test so I backed off to 5.0 with AVX offset of 3 (to keep the heat down under AVX load). Mine is air cooled with a Noctua NH-D15. You can see my whole build here: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jfrien...d/#view=yrtLJx if you're curious. I got some nice Black Friday prices so prices will vary now.

If you're into serious memory overclocking beyond the XMP rating of your memory, then I'd stick with ASUS because they seem to have a lot more support here in the forums and in the BIOS for the nuances of memory overclocking. I did get my G.Skill 2x8 memory that was rated at [email protected] to go [email protected] on the Taichi, but it literally took me weeks to figure everything out. For memory overclocking, there appears to me to be a lot more support for ASUS Bios settings and timings here in the forum.

flyinion 01-16-2019 11:18 PM

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Originally Posted by jfriend00 (Post 27810124)
I'm running an i7-9700k on ASRock Z390 Taichi. It was trivial to overclock the CPU to 5.0GHz, even on auto settings for that board (obviously, it depends a bit on your silicon lottery draw with your particular CPU). But, from everything I can tell, I have about an average CPU. I can run it at 5.1GHz, but it isn't stable under stress test so I backed off to 5.0 with AVX offset of 3 (to keep the heat down under AVX load). Mine is air cooled with a Noctua NH-D15. You can see my whole build here: https://pcpartpicker.com/user/jfrien...d/#view=yrtLJx if you're curious. I got some nice Black Friday prices so prices will vary now.

If you're into serious memory overclocking beyond the XMP rating of your memory, then I'd stick with ASUS because they seem to have a lot more support here in the forums and in the BIOS for the nuances of memory overclocking. I did get my G.Skill 2x8 memory that was rated at [email protected] to go [email protected] on the Taichi, but it literally took me weeks to figure everything out. For memory overclocking, there appears to me to be a lot more support for ASUS Bios settings and timings here in the forum.

Thanks! I don't really do memory overclocking. That stuff scares me with all the different variables and trying to figure out which one(s) caused whatever weird random crash happened. Maybe one of these days I'll try it. Any Asus recommendation? Or just pick whichever ROG series fits the budget and ignore their mainstream stuff?

jfriend00 01-16-2019 11:24 PM

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Originally Posted by flyinion (Post 27810516)
Thanks! I don't really do memory overclocking. That stuff scares me with all the different variables and trying to figure out which one(s) caused whatever weird random crash happened. Maybe one of these days I'll try it. Any Asus recommendation? Or just pick whichever ROG series fits the budget and ignore their mainstream stuff?

I'm an ASRock guy (3rd ASRock mobo in a row) so I don't know the Asus line. I like my ASRock Z390 Taichi so far if you're not doing heavy duty memory overclocking.

flyinion 01-17-2019 12:32 AM

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Originally Posted by jfriend00 (Post 27810520)
I'm an ASRock guy (3rd ASRock mobo in a row) so I don't know the Asus line. I like my ASRock Z390 Taichi so far if you're not doing heavy duty memory overclocking.

Thanks I'll take a look at them. Honestly the Asus I'm using with my 4790K is the first one I've used since the early 2000's when I was on AMD stuff. I moved to an NForce board from EVGA after that for my last AMD build, and then a P55 from them for my first Intel build and then they had some QC/design issues around 2014 when I was building the 4790K and everyone was telling me Asus, Gigabyte, and ASRock. Asus just happened to fit the requirements I had at the time of built in wifi AND a headphone amp built in for high impedance headphones.

On a side note, I just looked at RAM prices. Wow that was some sticker shock! I was thinking I'd do 32GB instead of 16 this time around but uh, yeah, not too sure about that now.

flyinion 01-17-2019 02:07 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 27809970)
Aside from VRM upgrades to support 8 cores, the main differences between Z370 and Z390 are built in 802.11ac/bluetooth and USB 3.1. All the boards without it aren't ones you'd want to run an 8 core on :p

Man I totally read your post wrong originally. I though you were saying there were two different 390 configs and I needed to find ones with wifi for the 8 core 9xxx series. Sounds like you're just saying don't try to run them on a 370? Just curious because for example the EVGA Z390 FTW doesn't have wifi.


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