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huzzug 02-18-2019 10:51 AM

[Inq] Video Exposes Worldwide YouTube Ring Of Child Exploitation Videos In Plain Sight, #YouTubeWake Up Goes Viral
 
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A viral YouTube video is exposing what appears to be a worldwide ring of child exploitation videos hidden in plain sight on the site and aided by its algorithm to share questionable content featuring adolescent girls — videos complete with advertising from major companies.
https://www.inquisitr.com/5302605/vi...up-goes-viral/

UltraMega 02-18-2019 11:25 AM

I doubt this is intentional in anyway. YouTube algorithms don't get everything right. It will recognize similar activities and make lists based on them. It looks to me like this started naturally based on user activity. Pretty disturbing though, hope YouTube takes action.

That said I'm not sure this is the type of news that's best catered to this site.

Defoler 02-18-2019 11:25 AM

Considering the "elsagate" took so long for youtube to handle, this doesn't surprise me at all.

bigjdubb 02-18-2019 12:09 PM

I didn't watch the video but I did read the article. I have noticed that YouTube tends to recommend videos from underage youtubers quite often. I'm not 100 percent sure which one of my watching habits triggers this to happen but the videos are never related to what I typically watch, it's always make up videos, clothes videos, or something along those lines. I assume this recommendation trend is because those videos are quite popular, even if it's for the wrong reasons. My guess would be that I end up getting these video recommendations because I do watch some channels that are Vlogs so YouTube starts recommending other vlog channels.

There is no way to control what someone is thinking when they are watching videos of kids doing innocent things, but they should be able to figure out if someone is uploading multiple videos of different children to a channel. Considering how many users there are and how easy it is to create a new channel, I really doubt they will be able to do anything about this. Parents face the same problem at the park or the public swimming pool, I think this fear is part of the reason so many kids end up living sheltered lives.

huzzug 02-18-2019 08:25 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraMega (Post 27858448)
I doubt this is intentional in anyway. YouTube algorithms don't get everything right. It will recognize similar activities and make lists based on them. It looks to me like this started naturally based on user activity. Pretty disturbing though, hope YouTube takes action.

YouTube's algorithm already is able to detect video's featuring minors. It can also detect swear words within such videos to take action against. But they seem to not be able to do it in all videos. Those all are majority of the videos on YouTube. Moreover, YouTube let's the uploaders of such videos stay even after such videos have been reported.

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That said I'm not sure this is the type of news that's best catered to this site.
Hey if we're able to talk about decrypting devices because there are going to be "children at risk", this directly affects those children

JackCY 02-19-2019 11:41 AM

Considering what kind of useless news there are here at times I do not think this big old issue YouTube still has is useless and should definitely be brought to attention again.

YouTube is screwing over good content creators, demonetization, getting left out of suggestions by algorithms. Yet YouTube has no problem of monetizing videos of minors that shouldn't be on their/any platform in the first place, let alone their fancy algorithm is so great that it recommends nothing but this kind of content very quickly to those interested in it. Sure many platforms suffer from this sooner or later and have to deal with it or have solutions in place from the get go. YouTube is a gigantic money machine at this point with no regulation over what data they accept, promote or sell. It is disgusting that after so long they still haven't done anything about it and instead they went after regular channels with sensible content. The only things that can force YouTube to make at least some impactful changes are: public outcry, laws/fines/shutdown until ample protections are in place, advertisers withdrawing their adds/money not because they don't want their adds on sensible topics of discussion, gun videos, videos with swearing, etc. but because they don't want their adds shown on videos exploiting minors, on inappropriate videos of minors, etc.

atomicmew 02-19-2019 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraMega (Post 27858448)
I doubt this is intentional in anyway. YouTube algorithms don't get everything right. It will recognize similar activities and make lists based on them. It looks to me like this started naturally based on user activity. Pretty disturbing though, hope YouTube takes action.

That said I'm not sure this is the type of news that's best catered to this site.

Youtube spends too much resources demonetizing creators and going after people making off-color jokes. It's not intentional, but it is damning. Youtube's priorities are not aligned with the public good.

azanimefan 02-19-2019 03:23 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjdubb (Post 27858502)
I didn't watch the video but I did read the article. I have noticed that YouTube tends to recommend videos from underage youtubers quite often. I'm not 100 percent sure which one of my watching habits triggers this to happen but the videos are never related to what I typically watch, it's always make up videos, clothes videos, or something along those lines. I assume this recommendation trend is because those videos are quite popular, even if it's for the wrong reasons. My guess would be that I end up getting these video recommendations because I do watch some channels that are Vlogs so YouTube starts recommending other vlog channels.

There is no way to control what someone is thinking when they are watching videos of kids doing innocent things, but they should be able to figure out if someone is uploading multiple videos of different children to a channel. Considering how many users there are and how easy it is to create a new channel, I really doubt they will be able to do anything about this. Parents face the same problem at the park or the public swimming pool, I think this fear is part of the reason so many kids end up living sheltered lives.

no clue, never once seen this content on the recommended videos for me. I get a bunch of tim pool videos, lots of national geographic wildlife stuff, anime stuff, and superhero/star trek/star wars stuff (plus video games). pretty much all I use youtube for actually, so it's got me pretty well nailed down.

steelbom 02-19-2019 03:41 PM

I can't say I've had any of these sorts of videos but I do get wacky recommendations. I miss the old days when it actually gave me good suggestions based on the video I was currently watching.

Now my list of related or recommended videos is full of a garbage.

battlenut 02-20-2019 01:27 AM

I am in the same puddle as the two above me. Personal favorites is "stupid people getting hurt for doing stupid things" that's all that shows up for me. Also I am not gonna completely blame youtube for this either. Parents are mostly to blame for posting this stuff on their kids request or allowing there kids to post stuff unbeknownst to them.

bigjdubb 02-20-2019 07:54 AM

There is no reason to blame the parents or the kids. There is nothing wrong with kids or teenagers posting videos to youtube. Blaming the parents or kids is like blaming a rape victim because she is pretty. Not that there are any victims in this particular situation.

Dillmiester 02-20-2019 09:31 AM

I think by him making this video it may have the unintended side effect of turning the lights on the cockroaches and now they are gonna scatter VS him bringing it to the attention of the authorities that could have used it as a honeypot to identify possible child predators.

agatong55 02-20-2019 09:58 AM

The guy who reported actually does the same thing he "EXPOSED"


Yes there is a issue with people using underage kids as thumbnails, trying to get exposure and youtube already said they are looking into it and trying to figure out what is going on.
But now that guy is also going after the advertisers on the site trying to take down all ads and trying to create another ad issue like youtube had a couple of years ago.

bigjdubb 02-20-2019 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Dillmiester (Post 27861082)
I think by him making this video it may have the unintended side effect of turning the lights on the cockroaches and now they are gonna scatter VS him bringing it to the attention of the authorities that could have used it as a honeypot to identify possible child predators.

They should be more concerned with identifying actual child predators instead of hunting down "possible child predators", whatever that's supposed to mean.

There are a lot of words being thrown around that are typically used to describe crimes but there doesn't appear to have been any crimes committed. The exploitation of kids in this manner (by YouTube) is no different that what Disney and Nickelodeon have been doing for decades. Just think about all the "possible child predators" who have watched the mickey mouse club while thinking very inappropriate things, only to have their thoughts interrupted by commercials from major corporations. So corporate funding of child exploitation has been around far longer than YouTube has and if you factor in PBS (here in the states) then public funding of child exploitation has existed for longer than YouTube. Big Bird has been teaching predators how to gain the trust and affection of children for generations.

The thought crime debate rages on.

Dillmiester 02-20-2019 08:04 PM

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Originally Posted by bigjdubb (Post 27861124)
They should be more concerned with identifying actual child predators instead of hunting down "possible child predators", whatever that's supposed to mean.

There are a lot of words being thrown around that are typically used to describe crimes but there doesn't appear to have been any crimes committed. The exploitation of kids in this manner (by YouTube) is no different that what Disney and Nickelodeon have been doing for decades. Just think about all the "possible child predators" who have watched the mickey mouse club while thinking very inappropriate things, only to have their thoughts interrupted by commercials from major corporations. So corporate funding of child exploitation has been around far longer than YouTube has and if you factor in PBS (here in the states) then public funding of child exploitation has existed for longer than YouTube. Big Bird has been teaching predators how to gain the trust and affection of children for generations.

The thought crime debate rages on.

Yea, and how are you supposed to do that not everyone watching these videos is a pedophile of course but you need to start somewhere by making connections between the groups of individuals such as ip addresses, messages ect. Just looking at the comments it's pretty easy to see these aren't other underage children. Besides they talk in a similar manner to child predators. Yes there are patterns in behavior that doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out.

Also he said they were passing links. Which opens up more rabbit holes.

*Another point I may add is your talking about a passive medium which the internet is not, it's a two way street they can reach out and try to contact these children.

white owl 02-21-2019 01:53 AM

I wasn't aware of this until I found out what ASMR was. Upon looking up the acronym I was confronted with tons of videos of children making various noises and then I saw the views and likes...that disturbed me. No way that many people are into weird noises.

huzzug 02-21-2019 11:42 PM

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/att-...ntroversy.html

AT&T and Disney have pulled advertisements from YouTube after the revelations.

Offler 02-22-2019 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by huzzug (Post 27863810)
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/21/att-...ntroversy.html

AT&T and Disney have pulled advertisements from YouTube after the revelations.

Disney was in hot water too, when was found out that hotels in Disneyland were used to create controversial material involving kids.

And yes, the algorhytm works like that, but what was not mentioned in the article is that this kind of content is often maintanied by bots which create accounts, upload or stream the material, and create comments. Links to sites containing child pornography are also posted by bots. When the video is found and removed along with account, bot changes its identity (new mail, new IP) and reuploads the stuff.

I managed to check some of those videos and tried to interact with "people" commenting on stream, and each of them failed turing test miserably.

This cycle can take from hours to months, because its not single bot, not single source. Think of hundreds of separate bots.

The content itself is stored on data repositories, encrypted, and password protected so unless you find out original link to provider of datastore and you dont report violation of the terms, the content remain available. YT is just 3rd or 4rth place where the content is made available, while the original source is heavily concealed.

skupples 02-25-2019 06:30 AM

:(

so many issues with the bubble effect algs. Not only the above, but how they intentionally surround people with nothing but what the alg has learned the person wants to see. This is why "Everyone" thinks that "everyone" thinks something, because their web-life has been carefully curated by themselves, developers, and advertisers to lull them into a false sense of ALWAYS BEING RIGHT, no matter the topic, via surrounding them with nothing but supporting opinions. I guess it's mostly a marketing & political ploy to help sell & elect really.

The Pook 02-25-2019 07:21 AM

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Originally Posted by steelbom (Post 27860050)
I can't say I've had any of these sorts of videos but I do get wacky recommendations. I miss the old days when it actually gave me good suggestions based on the video I was currently watching.

Now my list of related or recommended videos is full of a garbage.


Same. Half of my recommended videos are Fornite videos because my nephew watched a few videos on my PC like a month ago :o

Offler 02-25-2019 07:44 AM

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Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 27868354)
Same. Half of my recommended videos are Fornite videos because my nephew watched a few videos on my PC like a month ago :o

Check history and remove them.

When I started to have far too many recomendations, i usually follow the culprit in my history.

steelbom 02-25-2019 09:09 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 27868354)
Same. Half of my recommended videos are Fornite videos because my nephew watched a few videos on my PC like a month ago :o

Hahahaha meanwhile I watch Fortnite videos :o :D and only get a few recommendations to watch other Fortnite related videos... amongst a list of... irrelevant and annoying videos I have no interest in whatsoever.
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Originally Posted by Offler (Post 27868392)
Check history and remove them.

When I started to have far too many recomendations, i usually follow the culprit in my history.

Does History affect recommendations? I actually have my turned off. Though, I still get garbage recommendations.

ToTheSun! 02-26-2019 01:26 AM

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Originally Posted by steelbom (Post 27869456)
Does History affect recommendations? I actually have my turned off. Though, I still get garbage recommendations.

I've found it has an effect, but it's slight. When I do it, the videos that are recommended to me and/or appear in my home page are still largely "me", but with some exceptions.

Offler 02-26-2019 01:34 AM

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Originally Posted by steelbom (Post 27869456)
Does History affect recommendations? I actually have my turned off. Though, I still get garbage recommendations.

Sometines I click on something out of curiosity and more than a half of my recommendations in YT are about that topic. If that happens I go back and remove those videos from youtube history and everything is OK.

Like a friend sent me a video about specific gun he purchased, and in 30 minutes I had a bunch of videos about that. I dont have any interest in that, so I removed the video from my history and it went back to normal.

8051 02-26-2019 10:08 PM

I was once at a LAN party and everyone had opened up their computers to file leech. This LAN allowed kids who have adult supervision at the LAN to be signed up by their adult host member. Someone noted a prawn directory had been shared and saw some obviously underage girls on it and announced it to the LAN along w/the computer name. On hearing the name of the computer hosting the prawn a guy grabbed his 12 year old brother and dragged him out of the LAN and nothing was said about it again.

Majin SSJ Eric 02-26-2019 10:30 PM

I don't get it? I mean, if young girls make content that is totally innocent and then adult perverts watch it to get whatever kicks they can out of it, how is Youtube supposed to stop that? Ban content from anybody under 18? Youtube can't control what people get out of the content, they can only control the content, and from what I've read about this, the content itself is innocent (just young girls doing young girls things). Perverts watch enough of the vids that more content is fed to them via the algorithm and there you go. Am I missing something here or is this just another "Much Ado About Nothing" scenario that always takes the internet by storm?

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Originally Posted by bigjdubb (Post 27861124)
They should be more concerned with identifying actual child predators instead of hunting down "possible child predators", whatever that's supposed to mean.

There are a lot of words being thrown around that are typically used to describe crimes but there doesn't appear to have been any crimes committed. The exploitation of kids in this manner (by YouTube) is no different that what Disney and Nickelodeon have been doing for decades. Just think about all the "possible child predators" who have watched the mickey mouse club while thinking very inappropriate things, only to have their thoughts interrupted by commercials from major corporations. So corporate funding of child exploitation has been around far longer than YouTube has and if you factor in PBS (here in the states) then public funding of child exploitation has existed for longer than YouTube. Big Bird has been teaching predators how to gain the trust and affection of children for generations.

The thought crime debate rages on.

This is exactly how I see it as well. If the content is not explicitly inappropriate I don't see what Youtube can do about it? You can't control how someone views the content, you can only control the content itself.

azanimefan 02-26-2019 11:46 PM

weird story, seems to have blown over already?

airisom2 02-27-2019 04:14 AM

Yeah pretty much. The fault isn't really with youtube, but the pedos in the comment section. I don't think it's abnormal to create a brand new google account with no history, watch and click on only one category of videos, and only get recs for what you click/watch. If it's only one subject, then you're not giving the algos much to work with.

You see these videos have 40k+ views, and its likely the majority of those views are from pedos who watch the same content. Therefore, the recs will be more focused than usual. Well, that's my theory. In short, pedos will be pedos.

If this guy thinks this is bad, then he's in for a rude awakening. This is the tip of the tip of the iceberg. The internet is home to some really disturbing stuff.

white owl 02-27-2019 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by airisom2 (Post 27871240)
Yeah pretty much. The fault isn't really with youtube, but the pedos in the comment section. I don't think it's abnormal to create a brand new google account with no history, watch and click on only one category of videos, and only get recs for what you click/watch. If it's only one subject, then you're not giving the algos much to work with.

You see these videos have 40k+ views, and its likely the majority of those views are from pedos who watch the same content. Therefore, the recs will be more focused than usual. Well, that's my theory. In short, pedos will be pedos.

If this guy thinks this is bad, then he's in for a rude awakening. This is the tip of the tip of the iceberg. The internet is home to some really disturbing stuff.

I did an experiment once involving pornsites in the early 2000s (where I'd be watching such content).
I'd cllick one of the "recommended" sites and see where doing that over and over again got me. Guess where I ended up 99% of the time? Usually within a few clicks. That proved to me that watching ANY pron facilitates the vile stuff.

Cryptedvick 02-27-2019 06:32 AM

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Originally Posted by steelbom (Post 27860050)
I can't say I've had any of these sorts of videos but I do get wacky recommendations. I miss the old days when it actually gave me good suggestions based on the video I was currently watching.

Now my list of related or recommended videos is full of a garbage.

No kidding, I hate how the recommended videos shown on the right side have nothing to do with that I'm looking at. I'm searching for car related videos and tutorials and such and I get recommendation for the most unrelated things that I don't care about and it really bugs me because I wish it would show some related videos to what I actually watch, which would actually help me. I don't want to see top 10 celebrity awkward moments (or whatever) when I'm looking at turbo shaft play videos.

t1337dude 02-28-2019 03:57 AM

Can't talk about it in depth here without breaking the rules but there is a lot of illegal activity taking place on Youtube. There isn't just child exploitation on Youtube - there is encrypted communications of child trafficking occurring every day in the comment sections of Youtubes kids videos. This stuff has been sitting in plain site for years. It gets reported, and Youtube doesn't really seem to take them down consistently or take it seriously. If we didn't live in a technocracy and we actually lived in a society where journalism still existed, companies like Youtube should be bogged down in enough PR scandal that they couldn't possibly be sustainable. Youtube has decided their time is much better spent censoring conservatives and playing God (like Google) in the elections.

Vesimas 03-02-2019 03:22 AM

I think they "fixed" disabling comments with minor

https://youtube-creators.googleblog....elated-to.html


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