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Alemancio 03-25-2019 12:16 PM

Weak IMC or Bad RAM? (4000Mhz B-Die Kit on Coffee Lake)
 
Hi guys,

I tried finding more info but was unable to, therefore I'm posting this. Little background, I'm familiar with overclocking and have been doing it last 15 years. I was able to reach Winbond BH-5 to 295Mhz 2-2-2-5 4.0V on a DFI NF4 back then.

Specs:
  • Gigabyte Aorus Master Z390 (F8, F8e bios)
  • 8600k @ 4.8Ghz 1.28v or 5.0Ghz 1.325v (so-so overclocker), Cache 44x
  • HyperX Predator Black 16GB 4000MHz DDR4 CL19 DIMM (Kit of 2) XMP (HX440C19PB3K2/16) - I know they're not QVL.

Issues:
I'm unable to POST on SPD1 (3600Mhz) or SPD2 unless setting relaxed timings/subtimings before hand, and then enabling SPD.
Even if booting, 3600 or 4000mhz is never stable with main timings as advertised.

Troubleshooting:
Tried VCCSA 1~1.3v and VCCIO 1~1.3v and vRAM 1.35~1.45v
Tried Buildzoid's on memory OC on Z390 Aorus Master - Guide


Results so far:
While this kit is listed as 17-18-18 on 3600Mhz, I have ONLY been able to stabilize at 18-18-18-42 at 3600mhz (and with horrible tREF & tRFC...)
4000Mhz is not working even at 19-20-20.


Question:
How can I identify if whether I have a weak IMC or if the RAM has to be RMA'd?

Thanks!

Dasa 03-25-2019 01:57 PM

You may have a weak IMC but I would say your biggest problem is the Gigabyte MB and it's crap BIOS.
See if you can find someone who has posted a high frequency RAM OC on that MB and try copy there sub timings exactly.

To find out if the RAM is faulty test one stick at a time if one stick can hit it's rated speed and the other can not you know you have a dud.

Alemancio 03-25-2019 02:12 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dasa (Post 27907810)
See if you can find someone who has posted a high frequency RAM OC on that MB and try copy there sub timings exactly.

I did, with Buildzoid's guide on that particular Motherboard. Besides 3600~4000Mhz is not that high. I'd understand not being able to hit 4400+ heh.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dasa (Post 27907810)
To find out if the RAM is faulty test one stick at a time if one stick can hit it's rated speed and the other can not you know you have a dud.

Thanks will try!

Dasa 03-25-2019 02:35 PM

Show us your timings at your highest obtainable frequency with ASRock timing config.

Moparman 03-25-2019 02:48 PM

It could be the IMC. I would post in the Z390 Aorus thread as we have a lot of people in there that are great help.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/6-in...rs-thread.html


@Dasa what is wrong with the bios on the Master? I know they have come along way from how they used to be and are always looking for input to help them get better. At least the OP didn't get stuck with any of the Asus trash.

Dasa 03-25-2019 03:02 PM

Haven't used gigabyte myself for some time so I could be wrong but more often that not when I see people having problems reaching high memory speeds it is with a Gigabyte\ASRock MB and the BIOS seems to be getting the training wrong for the RAM kit it is using.
While ASUS high end MB seem to be more likely to get it right and although ASUS VRM may not be as good provided they have some airflow they seem to do there job just fine even if they use a bit more power.

Alemancio 03-25-2019 03:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dasa (Post 27907842)
Show us your timings at your highest obtainable frequency with ASRock timing config.

https://i.imgur.com/1QOG0xT.jpg

18-18-18-38 @ 1.4v (SPD at 3600 is 17-18-18-39 at 1.35v

500%+ on Karhu and 2000% on Memtest

Dasa 03-25-2019 03:43 PM

Your tRDWR seems tighter than most at 11-12 so it may be worth trying them at 16.

techjesse 03-25-2019 03:46 PM

I have the same mobo, had to work with it.... BIOS F7a,
Ram Frequency 2000.1 MHz (DDR4-4000) - Ratio 1:30 1.42v
Timings 18-19-19-38-2 (tCAS-tRC-tRP-tRAS-tCR)
Bench OC for 3D Benches https://valid.x86.fr/5zlsxp
24/7 OC 5.0ghz https://valid.x86.fr/evb3ew

Alemancio 03-25-2019 03:49 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dasa (Post 27907942)
Your tRDWR seems tighter than most at 11-12 so it may be worth trying them at 16.

Thanks. I'll set it to 16 and set main timings to 17-18-18 which fails within 10min or Karhu.

Quote:

Originally Posted by techjesse (Post 27907946)
I have the same mobo, had to work with it.... BIOS F7a,
Ram Frequency 2000.1 MHz (DDR4-4000) - Ratio 1:30 1.42v
Timings 18-19-19-38-2 (tCAS-tRC-tRP-tRAS-tCR)
Bench OC for 3D Benches https://valid.x86.fr/5zlsxp
24/7 OC 5.0ghz https://valid.x86.fr/evb3ew

Thanks!

Q1: Did you have to use F7a because other BIOS' would fail?
Q2: Do you have a screenshot of all your timings? What VCCIO/SA? Any other trick?


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