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Thamuza 04-18-2019 04:34 PM

CPU only GTS or GTX
 
I am about to do my first custom loop and for all the research I've done I can really figure this out. I have an Enthoo Luxe and I'm basicly doing an all Phanteks build, but this radiator thing is throwing me off.

PC Specs


Asus x299 TUF Mk 1
i7x7820
32gb Corsair 3200
Strix 2070 OC
intel 760p Nvme

I am using a Phanteks Glacier R220 with a swiftech MCP50x and the glacier C350i CPU block. All the fans are Phanteks MP 140's. I would like to do a 420 GTS in push/pull so that I can use my Phanteks halos. However its seems like i've read conflicting reports on the rad and push vs push/pull. If I go with the GTX I will not be able to do push/pull or use my halos, but I believe I would be able to get a better overclock. Currently I'm using a Noctua D15s with a 4.8ghz overclock. Can someone tell me if the GTS 420 would be enough to do a decent OC or do I just need to get the GTX and lose out on push/pull and the halos but possibly have much better OC potential. This is a CPU only WC as I have the cablemod vertical GPU mod and I like the way it looks with the Strix card. My CPU is not delidded yet but will be once I decide on the radiator.

GnarlyCharlie 04-18-2019 05:31 PM

I think a 420 GTS in P/P or a GTX in push only would both be fine for just a CPU. I have a GTX 420 P/P and 280 GTX P/P and run both an OCd 7920X and a Titan Xp in fine shape using same CPU block in an Enthoo Pro.

Thamuza 04-18-2019 07:02 PM

I guess in that case I will go with the 420GTS in p/p as it will allow me to keep my halos..im hoping to get a 5ghz OC once I'm delidded and watercooled

broodro0ster 04-18-2019 11:32 PM

The difference between the GTX and GTS is only 1C at high fan speeds. At low speeds, the performance is the same.
Push pull is not necessary needed but it's doesn't hurt to use it of course.

At 420 for a CPU will get you sweet temps, even at low speeds so you'll get a nice setup :-)

Thamuza 04-18-2019 11:49 PM

Thanks for the input.. I think I may stray from the all phanteks build, at least on the cpu block. I have been looking at some of the aquacomputer cpu blocks and I like the cuplex kryos and it has great reviews and only cost about 25$ more than the phanteks cpu block.

ciarlatano 04-19-2019 05:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Thamuza (Post 27938498)
I am using a Phanteks Glacier R220 with a swiftech MCP50x and the glacier C350i CPU block. All the fans are Phanteks MP 140's. I would like to do a 420 GTS in push/pull so that I can use my Phanteks halos. However its seems like i've read conflicting reports on the rad and push vs push/pull. If I go with the GTX I will not be able to do push/pull or use my halos, but I believe I would be able to get a better overclock. Currently I'm using a Noctua D15s with a 4.8ghz overclock. Can someone tell me if the GTS 420 would be enough to do a decent OC or do I just need to get the GTX and lose out on push/pull and the halos but possibly have much better OC potential. This is a CPU only WC as I have the cablemod vertical GPU mod and I like the way it looks with the Strix card. My CPU is not delidded yet but will be once I decide on the radiator.

First, I don't believe the MCP50X will work with the Glacier R220 unless you are using the pump free standing. The MCP50X is not compatible with standard DDC tops.

Second, you have a couple of standard misconceptions going on in your thought process - namely that "bigger must be better" and that "push/pull must be better than push only". If you do a quick review here https://www.xtremerigs.net/2015/02/1...-round-2015/5/ , you will find this is not always the case. The GTS and GTX were made for different applications and usage, and both excel at their intended usage. The GTS was designed for quiet rigs and will outperform a GTX (which is designed for high fan speed usage) up to ~1350 rpm. It will have a nominal difference in performance to ~1750 rpm. Until you get into fan speeds that will make your ears bleed, the GTX doesn't separate itself from the GTS. So, unless you are want is to build something that sounds like a vacuum cleaner, the GTS is going to be the better performer.

You will also notice that P/P has essentially no performance impact on the GTS. So, you aren't going to gain anything by going P/P, and it will be louder at the same performance levels. However, with a 420mm on a CPU, you will likely never have to break 1000 rpm, so it won't be much of a concern.

Personally, I think the GTS is a far better choice for your application - better performance, less noise, and retains the ability to use the Halos.

Thamuza 04-19-2019 10:35 AM

That was one of the things that I wasn't so clear on.. I must have looked over that artical 20 times.. And that's where I wasn't sure if the gts would be fine in push or better in p/p. There is a review on Amazon a guy used the mcp50x pump only for the r220 and he had some caveats about it.. Which is what I was gonna do...i want it to be simple and elegant.. Lol.. So using the gts in push only with the 140mps and the halos will be just what Im looking for.. That aquacomputer vision is sooooo nice.. But I'm also considering doing the Aida 64 cell phone mod.. So I could technically keep it all phanteks.. But the aquacomputer cpu blocks seem to be higher quality.
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=l6QG3tRKwPc

Pinnacle Fit 04-19-2019 10:44 AM

I personally think a 420 might be overkill for just a cpu loop, unless you’re looking to expand later.


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ciarlatano 04-19-2019 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Pinnacle Fit (Post 27939240)
I personally think a 420 might be overkill for just a cpu loop, unless you’re looking to expand later.


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Overkill, yes. But, as you say, it gives the option for expansion and the increased rad size will allow for very low fan speeds so it will be extremely quiet.

Hydroplane 04-19-2019 11:42 AM

I own the GTX and am very happy with it


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