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JackCY 06-14-2019 01:27 PM

What are good value SSDs in 2019? 1TB / Phison E12 + Toshiba
 
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Looking for 1TB SSD for general use as game library, rare VM, rare Photoshop cache, etc.
What sites do great SSD reviews? It still seems that SSDs barely evolve and reviews are scarce.

SATA or M.2 (M-key) (limited to SATA and PCIe 2.0x2 NVME now, would a 3.0x4 drive also work or do they not like the slower interface?)

Sustained write may not be big issue depending on how large the cache + SLC part is.
But it seems the newest cheapest SSDs (QLC) go below HDD performance on large writes when not given time to clear cache and SLC part.

I have some candidates to check but would like to know from those that monitor the SSD market more. What is there worth considering? What brands of SSD and controllers to avoid?

A 250GB SSD for system and a game has 35TBW over 25k hours. But I barely write to it anything because it's so small.
Can't say I like the low speed and durability of QLC so far despite there being some cheap M.2 outperforming SATA TLC until they fill up their SLC part and turn to a turtle, still for my use they could be fine? 200TBW... seems low.
I guess MLC is now dead or rather reserved for most expensive products only.

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A list of drives with Phison E12 + Toshiba memory chips:

  • Addlink S70
  • Asura Genesis Xtreme
  • Corsair Force Series MP510 960GB, M.2 (CSSD-F960GBMP510)
  • Digifast Ace
  • Galax HOF
  • Gigabyte Aorus RGB AIC NVMe SSD 1TB, PCIe 3.0 x4 (GP-ASACNE2100TTTDR)
  • HIKVision C2000
  • Inland Premium (not in EU)
  • LiteOn MU X1 1TB, M.2 (PP5-GD1024)
  • MyDigitalSSD BPX Pro 960GB (not in EU yet, if ever, been on market a while now elsewhere, their only EU distributor's site is dead too)
  • Patriot Viper VPN100 NVMe SSD 1TB, M.2 (VPN100-1TBM28H)
  • *Pioneer APS-SE20G
  • PNY XLR8 CS3030 M.2 NVMe SSD 1TB, M.2 (M280CS3030-1TB-RB)
  • Sabrent 1TB Rocket (SB-ROCKET-1TB) (barely available and expensive in EU)
  • Seagate BarraCuda 510 SSD 1TB, M.2
  • Seagate FireCuda 510 SSD 1TB, M.2 (ZP1000GM30011)
  • Silicon Power P34A80 1TB, M.2 (SP001TBP34A80M28)
  • TeamGroup Cardea II
  • TeamGroup Cardea Liquid
  • TeamGroup PCIe SSD MP34 1TB, M.2 (TM8FP4001T0C101)


1 TB marketed drives have 70.15 GB = 6.85 % OP ==> 953.85 GB usable.
960 GB marketed drives have 129.75 GB = 12.67 % OP ==> 894.25 GB usable.

Use at your own risk:
12.3 firmware update: http://forum.corsair.com/v3/showthread.php?t=188547
https://megaupload.nz/k3d865wdn8/firmware12.3_zip

Verified working 12.3 from 12.2 on SP drive by me, using the shutdown option, you will find this linked around web and above:
MD5: a3b1fb29f04dc9e7ca94db790f459eb1 *Phison firmware12.3.zip

I've had to recompress the archive to fit it to OCN upload limits, download on bottom of this post:
MD5: 2be500063f9236c64b339c6b9a05986e *Phison firmware12.3.zip

You can find other reports around and in this thread of drive updates v12.x to v12.3 no data loss, v11 to v12 with data loss.
Seems everyone is getting the same update archive and contents be it leaked from forums or from even Corsair directly.

  1. Don't use the drive while updating.
  2. Select the drive in update tool as shown below
  3. Select DLMC, there seems to be no other option
  4. Select activated at the next reset
  5. Run baby run
  6. It will update quickly and ask you to shut down the machine
  7. Shutdown
  8. Power back on
  9. Done

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SM2262EN + Micron memory chips:

If you can find them cheap and don't mind the poor performance when drive is full, see Anandtech.

  • ADATA XPG SX8200 Pro 1TB, M.2 (ASX8200PNP-1TT-C)
  • HP SSD EX950 M.2 1TB, M.2 (5MS23AA#ABB)
  • ...

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An SSD overview, database + search, explanation of terms, etc. not sure how well maintained over time:

https://www.reddit.com/user/NewMaxx/...ing_guide_wip/

The Pook 06-14-2019 01:53 PM

There's pretty much no situation where a QLC drive makes sense. Get a metallic spinny boi if you want cheap.

The 1TB Muskin Pilot has been steadily dropping from ~$220 this time last year down to $130 now. I've been plenty happy with mine. ~30% slower than a 970 Evo in read/writes but less than half the cost.

skupples 06-14-2019 02:00 PM

I'm still running 4 1TB 840 EVOs in raid.(however, the first one was $500, last one was $120 LOL!) Makes up for the downfalls, & was still half the cost.

Blameless 06-14-2019 02:13 PM

I've got a few of the Team L5 LITE 3D SATA SSDs and I've been quite happy with them.

The 1TB version is consistently the cheapest 1TB TLC drive I can find that still has descrete DRAM for the page table cache and the like.

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 28005072)
There's pretty much no situation where a QLC drive makes sense.

I don't agree. For general use a QLC drive will be vastly faster than any reasonable HDD array and will still have enough P/E cycles for most.

The price has fallen on them to the point where they can undercut the cheapest TLC options in their capacity by enough to make them worthwhile, if you take their limitations into account.

Damage Inc 06-14-2019 02:41 PM

I've been running the 840 EVO 1TB as my main OS drive for quite some time now. 16.3TB written to it, no issues.

JackCY 06-14-2019 03:49 PM

I was thinking something newer than a discontinued 840 EVO :p
Already have one of those but small.

Looking at SSDs to buy in 2019.

860 EVO is pricey as they want people to buy their QVO with QLC.

Crucial MX500 is a bit old now but still OK?
WD Blue 3D NAND?

Adata has bad reputation with SSDs now it seems same that other smaller brands had and have. Aka generic firmware with no customization by manufacturer, complete data loses, etc.
Even Samsung took a while to get the firmware OK.

There are so many drives I keep finding but no review site has them all in their results, not even close. Some are new fast drives but hard to find to buy, some places have them well priced some not at all.

There are the QLC Crucial P1, Intel 660p but then you look at barely more expensive Corsair Force Series MP510 TLC and WTH just happened.
Durability almost 10x better, performance 2x, ... so what are the nice newer drives worth actually buying in 2019? Are there some nice new MLC/TLC SSDs be it for Gen3x4 or simple old SATA beside this MP510?

Plus I don't necessarily need an M.2 drive, a good SATA is fine but then the price has to reflect it which it seems now M.2 3.0x2/3.0x4 are so close to SATA in price it barely makes sense to buy SATA anymore...

Mysticial 06-14-2019 03:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackCY (Post 28005234)
Are there some nice new MLC/TLC SSDs be it for Gen3x4 or simple old SATA beside this MP510?

Silicon Power 1TB?

https://www.newegg.com/silicon-power...82E16820301395

Same controller as the MP510 but newer firmware.

JackCY 06-14-2019 05:19 PM

I'm fine with SATA as I won't really run these 3GB/s speeds anyway on 2.0x2, but I will sure check out these newer 3.0x4 drives too.

SP001TBP34A80M28 doesn't really seem sold yet outside US. But looks slightly better than the MP510 in performance with it's newer firmware.
I really don't get it why they are still selling overpriced SATA drives when M.2 3.0x4 drives are much faster with newer NAND and cost at times almost same? Where are all the cheaper TLC SATA drives at?

Any idea when SP001TBP34A80M28 will be available worldwide? Or other similar drives as there will be some from other brands too.

ozlay 06-14-2019 06:34 PM

Inland pro nvme?

JackCY 06-15-2019 07:08 AM

Never seen Inland sold outside US.

If it's not on geizhals.eu or Amazon.de I will likely not find it anywhere to buy.
I know there is a crap ton more in US to buy and dirt cheap, not so elsewhere.


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