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Jrw8FJBbLPkkJpB 07-04-2019 11:14 PM

ASUS TUF GAMING X570 PLUS
 
Could this be the best Budget X570 board? I was watching the latest Buildzoid video and he was doing a breakdown of the X570 Strix-F and in the video he said that the Strix-F ($300 Rumored Price) has the same VRM setup as the Tuf ($170 Rumored Price).

Could this end up being the next TOMAHAWK? Really good for the price to performance? He even talks about buying himself a Tuf in the video. I'm thinking about picking one up with the 3700x if reviews back up his claims.

EddieZ 07-06-2019 03:48 AM

We'll have to see, won't we :-)

At least I'm very happy with the price-performance of the x470 Plus Gaming with my 2600X and G.Skill 3600 memory.

AlphaC 07-06-2019 10:32 AM

I doubt it, probably Aorus Elite and maybe Asrock Steel Legend for budget builds since it has ALC1220/Intel LAN and also 8 DrMOs which is good enough for 8 cores.


SiliconLottery has Aorus Elite on their QVL.


Additionally due to the PWM layout you downscale your power at idle better because you can run 2 powerstage rather than a minimum of 3.


TUF = ASP1106 PWM, 3 SiC639 powerstages on each PWM phase
Aorus Elite = ISL PWM with 6 phases doubled to 12 via ISL6617 and using SiC634 powerstages

jamexman 08-02-2019 04:15 PM

How’s the latest bios on this board?


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jamexman 08-03-2019 10:45 PM

Bump... no other owners here?


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papertoast 08-06-2019 05:12 PM

im hoping to swap mine in here this week


first impressions
it has some weight to it, that is always a good sign, not some lightweight pos
the various components seem solid on the board
hoping to have a nice simple swap out


update . . .
swapped in the new board with ram and a 2700x 50th anni . . .
no post
called tech support . . . needs a bios update to run that chip
baffled that a brand new board a few weeks old would need a bios update for a gen2 ryzen

TrixX 08-08-2019 08:00 AM

LOL, got one here too. Just wondering if there's a way to edit BCLK on it as it seems to be a hidden function in the BIOS at the moment.

jamexman 08-09-2019 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papertoast (Post 28077378)
im hoping to swap mine in here this week


first impressions
it has some weight to it, that is always a good sign, not some lightweight pos
the various components seem solid on the board
hoping to have a nice simple swap out


update . . .
swapped in the new board with ram and a 2700x 50th anni . . .
no post
called tech support . . . needs a bios update to run that chip
baffled that a brand new board a few weeks old would need a bios update for a gen2 ryzen



Sorry to see that. You still be able to flash the bios with a newer one using this procedure:

https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1012219


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papertoast 08-11-2019 10:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamexman (Post 28082258)
Sorry to see that. You still be able to flash the bios with a newer one using this procedure:

https://www.asus.com/support/faq/1012219


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nice thought, but like i said, it wont post at all
its on its way back to asus so they can load the newest bios

jamexman 08-11-2019 10:43 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by papertoast (Post 28084884)
nice thought, but like i said, it wont post at all
its on its way back to asus so they can load the newest bios



With that procedure you didn’t need to post... even with a black screen it would flash it you just have to wait a bit in the dark... anyways, glad asus is taking care if you.


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GarMr 08-12-2019 03:48 PM

BIOS 1005
 
Version 1005 - 2019/08/12 (https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...HelpDesk_BIOS/)

jamexman 08-13-2019 02:04 PM

Finally my 3900x will be here on Friday. I'll see how this board behaves!

GarMr 08-14-2019 08:47 AM

Interesting Video
 
Regrading the sub $200 motherboards. Includes the TUF Gaming x570 Plus.


jamexman 08-14-2019 12:37 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarMr (Post 28087796)
Regrading the sub $200 motherboards. Includes the TUF Gaming x570 Plus.

https://youtu.be/_7PkZwY9PWM

Nice. Also Buildzoid (from actually hardcore overclocking on youtube) talks good about this mobo. He says the VRM's are fine for up to a 3950x. It's just 4 phases, tripled= 12+2, but good quality.

zulex 08-14-2019 08:48 PM

Hey guys, are there any overclocking guide for this MB?

papertoast 08-18-2019 09:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by zulex (Post 28088734)
Hey guys, are there any overclocking guide for this MB?

not yet
once i get the board back and get everything installed/configured, ill see what i can get out of the 2700x 50th that i picked up on sale
wont be a full blown guide per se, more of this is the config that worked for 'x' oc ect.

GarMr 08-20-2019 12:13 PM

Wired Internet
 
Is anyone experiencing intermittent internet speeds with this motherboard.


I updated the driver to the latest one on the Asus site for this board.


I have a 1gig up and down. But for some reason this board is not steady with it. And it doesn't reach 1 gig downloads.



Might it be the driver?


My previous motherboard (Crosshair VII Hero) didn't have this issue.

AlphaC 08-20-2019 12:24 PM

Crosshair VII Hero has an Intel i211AT LAN. The TUF PLUS has a proprietary-to-ASUS realtek LAN.

Normally you'd be able to pull it off https://www.realtek.com/en/component...press-software


For this board you should probably use the one off ASUS's support page here: https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...Desk_Download/. (https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/m..._20190801R.zip) It's probably a driver issue.

papertoast 08-22-2019 07:35 PM

meh, as long as its pulling 700 mbps+, i wouldnt worry about it
my current rig is a sabertooth 990 and it get 700-900 on my speed tests all day long
could also be the server speedtest picks . . .

GarMr 08-22-2019 10:01 PM

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Ambient temperature of 72°F (22°C)


CPU: AMD 3900x

CPU Cooler: Dark Rock Pro 4 CPU Cooler
Motherboard: TUF GAMING X570-Plus (non wifi)
Bios ver. (motherboard): Version 0804


This current temperature is at home, 2358 hours.


Day time/hours the CPU idle temp go up to 34-36 Celsius.


All this is while computer is idling. Only have Ryzen Master open on screen viewing the numbers.





Just felt like sharing.

Tiihokatti 09-15-2019 07:24 AM

New AGESA 1.0.0.3ABBA BIOS-update is out.

Gotta say, the board has been performing pretty dang well for the past month, only been using the onboard wireless wifi (Intel AC9260 + AC-router) and haven't had any hiccups with the connection. The only gripe has been the chipset-fan placement: almost every single GPU in existence is going to block the fan if you use the first pcie-slot. And most of the GPU coolers will push the warm air the GPU generates towards the chipset.

Even with my modded Asus GTX 1070 Dual (shroud+fans replaced with 3x AC-F8 Silent fans tied neatly to the heatsink with zipties) the chipset temperatures were around 78C while the GPU was around 76C. That is why I went and bought an Accelero Mono Plus to replace the extremely bad stock cooler of the GPU: maximum temperatures for the GPU is now 60C and the chipset temperatures also dropped down to 70C. Two birds with one stone, as the Mono Plus heatsink doesn't block the chipset-fan like the usual GPU-coolers do.

AmericanLoco 09-15-2019 08:13 AM

My RX 5700XT "blocks" the chipset fan on my Tuf Gaming X570 Plus, but even after a long gaming session my chipset temperature sits at 60C. This is with a small case with only a single 120mm exhaust fan.

Tiihokatti 09-15-2019 08:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AmericanLoco (Post 28128012)
My RX 5700XT "blocks" the chipset fan on my Tuf Gaming X570 Plus, but even after a long gaming session my chipset temperature sits at 60C. This is with a small case with only a single 120mm exhaust fan.

Do you have any m.2 SSD on the lower slot? AFAIK using an SSD there raises the temperatures as the upper m.2 slot is handled directly by the CPU and the lower slot is handled by the chipset.
I'm using a PCIe Gen3 x4 SSD (Corsair MP510) on my lower m.2 slot.

AmericanLoco 09-15-2019 08:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiihokatti (Post 28128030)
Do you have any m.2 SSD on the lower slot? AFAIK using an SSD there raises the temperatures as the upper m.2 slot is handled directly by the CPU and the lower slot is handled by the chipset.
I'm using a PCIe Gen3 x4 SSD (Corsair MP510) on my lower m.2 slot.

I'm only using my SSD in the top (CPU slot). I was going to put it in the lower slot (because of the heatsink), but I figured it'd be better to have it directly connected to the CPU.

Speaking of that, it's really annoying ASUS doesn't allow you to swap the SSD heatsink to the top slot...

ZealotKi11er 09-15-2019 10:02 AM

Bought thing MB to use with 3700X. Can't wait to get it tomorrow and play with AMD CPU after years of Intel. I got 32GB CL14 DDR4-3200 RAM.

papertoast 09-22-2019 10:00 PM

finally had a few hours to swap in my x570
seems like a nice board, windows booted right up, just have to reactivate but cant due to running insider builds 'shrugs'



anyway, noticed 2 things


first, running 4x8gb sticks of corsair vengeance lpx ram, ddr4 3600
wont run at 3600 mhz, got it running at 3300 +/-
set it at 3600 manually or set docp and it fails


second, it doesn't seem to want to save the settings when i set the cpu multiplier to 42 to have the cpu run at 4.2 ghz, it reverts back to x40 to give 4 ghz, which isnt bad at all

cpu is a 2700x 50th anni

palote99 10-09-2019 01:14 AM

Hi there....

Is there any overclocking guide for this mobo???

Thanks in advance!

Scoobydoobydoo 10-21-2019 03:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by palote99 (Post 28153336)
Hi there....

Is there any overclocking guide for this mobo???

Thanks in advance!

A guide would indeed be an asset.

Section31 10-21-2019 04:07 PM

I agree.

I have odd issue with this board actually. For some reason, it has issues whenever i try to set negative manual offset/manual overclock with lower voltage. Either it won't post or the system just becomes unstable when doing cinebench. This is with an 3700X. I also have an hero VIII with 3900X and i don't encounter any of such issue.

Scoobydoobydoo 10-22-2019 12:32 AM

I still like the mobo in general, it is a good deal if you want wifi and bluetooth with the added VRM bonus of being able to upgrade to a 3900x or similar. But from a €240 Asus motherboard I expect to be able to alter mobofan curves, bout time they gave us a biosupgrade. €240,-- is alot of money for a crappy implementation of a cooling solution, they would have done a better job designing a heatsink with a 60mm fanspot and supplying us a crappy 60 mm fan which is about the same size as the implemented mobofan anyway. This way we could have installed an A-grade silent 60mm fan of our own choosing if we had complaints about noise or whatever. This coolingsolution aka mobofandesign is crappy engineering and marketing imho. We can alter every freaking fan in the bios except the asusfan that came with the mobo which some users can hear, like w-t-a-f... When you bought a silent computerbuild, this asus mobofan can feel like betrayal.

psybangas09 10-26-2019 05:24 AM

Why is there no BIOS settings guide for this motherboard?
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by Scoobydoobydoo (Post 28166708)
A guide would indeed be an asset.

^+1 yeah agree with you, there's a couple of settings I'm running that DRAM Calculator has for "CPU/DRAM stability" but not sure if it helps or hinders.

These are to do with DiGi+VRM CPU; Level 4, 120%, 300, T.Probe, Manual, Ultra Fast and SoC; Level 3, 120%, 300, Optimal. Also running a -50mV offset seems to help keep core voltage in check, without performance hit when running optimized defaults. SoC at 1.1000V, DRAM 1.4500V and CL14 B-Die kit @3600/1800 [16-16-16-16-32-48] 1T stable passing stress tests like Aida64, memtest64, Prime95 (29.7) and in games Battlefield V and Apex Legends.

Anyone else care to share some of their settings and experiences here please?

Scoobydoobydoo 10-28-2019 12:46 PM

New pc components: AMD3600 / Scythe Ninja 5 / x570 tuf wifi / 2*8GB 3200cl16 Crucial E-die / Straight Power 650W / Pure Base 500 Silent White / KC2000 1TB NVME SSD
Old Components: 2x 240GB Sata SSD's / 2x 320GB 7200rpm Samsung Spinpoint / Nividia 960 2GB videocard / 1080p/1ms/144Hz monitor


So far I have:
A) I overclocked my 3600 on the X570 Tuf to 4200Ghz manually on stockvoltage in Bios, temperatuur was 80°C (Scythe Ninja 5 cpu aircooler).
B) After that I went back to stock settings and enabled PB-Overdrive in Bios. This setting also made the cpu run at 4200Ghz (99% of the time when needed), but at a slightly higher voltage according to Rivatuner (exact voltage-increase I did not note). I am still positive about PBO, because during the lifespan of the processor it could get less voltage on average with PB-Overdrive, so I assume this is good for lifespan.
C) Tried overclocking memory with DRAMcalculator settings in Bios, but somewhere the biostexts do not align with Dramcalculatortexts, so my pc froze on reboot because I ****ed up. So I put memory back on DOCP settings 3200/cl16 for now, still have to give it another go.

So, I still have to fiddle with:
D) getting memory to 3200/cl14 settings in Bios
E) Some OC settings have levels and I wonder what they actually do, so need to dive into that.
F) Giving Ryzen Master software a go.
G) Finally chosing a OC-methodcombination to my liking (probably good ol' bios)
H) I have 2 old HDD's installed in my case which I want to run parallel for backups.
I) Dualbootinstallment for linuxmint.
J) Getting a descent automated backup running smoothly.
K) Need a new wireless mouse and wireless keyboard.
L) Save up for a descent GPU, when a games hits the shelves I actually want to play at 144Hz.
M) This mobo has an incryption addon, I like to fiddle around with that and see what it grants me.

psybangas09 10-30-2019 07:29 AM

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Thought I'd share some of my experience with BIOS version 1201. First thing to do when you enter the UEFI is hit F7 to go into Advance Mode, where under Exit tab you'll find "Load Optimize Defaults".
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303358&thumb=1
After doing this I find that there's some settings that need changing right away or else it won't boot. If using an AIO, and don't have CPU/ Optional fan connected, set Monitor these Speed to "Ignored".
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303360&thumb=1
Also go into Boot Configuration menu and change Setup Mode > Advanced Mode so no more hitting F7!
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303364&thumb=1
Next going into Ai Tweaker section there's options to change Memory and FCLK Frequency which is handy for squeezing out extra performance from your new Ryzen system, consensus being 3800/1900 is the recommended "sweet spot" to aim for in terms of low latency and high memory bandwidth.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303366&thumb=1
The AI Overclock Tuner tab allows loading X.M.P. Profiles for memory, otherwise leave on Auto for manually selecting desired settings. Performance Enhancer I haven't really experimented with yet, but imagine it does like says and adds more voltage in core boost behavior. Similarly OC Tuner and Performance Bias these settings I leave on their default values of Keep Current Settings and Auto. Moving down to Precision Boost Overdrive I found leaving everything on Auto works fine for 4.4GHz.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303368&thumb=1
DRAM Timing Control is next and here I enter the following values generated from DRAM Calculator.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303370&thumb=1
Main thing here is to enter correct timings for each setting otherwise stability suffers or won't boot.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303372&thumb=1
I found Fast profile timings from DRAM Calculator works for me, although if it doesn't then try Safe.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303382&thumb=1
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303374&thumb=1
Voltages are also best input manually where possible to ensure stability and optimal performance.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303376&thumb=1
For Best CPU/DRAM stability in the DIGI+ VRM tab again I follow DRAM Calculator recommendations.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303378&thumb=1
Finally I set the following Voltages: SoC 1.1 V, DRAM 1.45 V, CLDO VDDG 0.9 V, VTTDDR 0.725 V and VPP_MEM 2.5 V and with these settings my Ryzen 3700X is stable and performing quite well.
https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...303380&thumb=1
Another thing to do is setup Qfan Control, which I do in Windows actually, since despite everything I've tried can only get the Silent profile to enable once I sign in, otherwise all the case fans run full speed. Hope this helps new TUF Gaming X570-Plus (Wi-Fi) owners. Questions/ suggestions please comment.

GarMr 11-05-2019 12:10 PM

TUF GAMING X570-PLUS
 
TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Non-Wifi)


Under BIOS & FIRMWARE (https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...HelpDesk_BIOS/)


New Bios: Version 1403
Quote:

TUF GAMING X570-PLUS BIOS 1403
1. Update AM4 combo PI 1.0.0.4 patch B
2. Support Ryzen™ 2000-series APU
* You will not be able to downgrade your BIOS after updating to this BIOS version

psybangas09 11-06-2019 02:02 AM

New BIOS download links
 
I downloaded and successfully flashed my motherboard already using link from the following site:
https://www.hardwareluxx.de/communit...28903.html#2.7 :thumb:

BenL 11-06-2019 02:33 AM

Hey, do you have same laggy bios for this mobo?

psybangas09 11-07-2019 11:53 PM

No I'm not seeing any lag when in UEFI. Successfully dialed in my memory overclock settings without any issues and it booted first attempt. Just to clarify I have the Wi-Fi version. For all intents and purposes BIOS 1403 with 1usmus power plan is more like how I expected my 3700X to perform (coming from B350>X470>B450>X570 finally).

Advil000 11-08-2019 02:42 PM

Something was changed with 1403 and I can't flash my modded version of the BIOS.

Anyone have new instructions for how to get around the locked flash?

BenL 11-10-2019 06:44 AM

There is new bios 1404 - https://www.asus.com/pl/Motherboards...HelpDesk_BIOS/

Tiihokatti 11-10-2019 02:25 PM

1403 had broken ram overclocking. 1404 should have all the memory-related problems fixed.

psybangas09 11-12-2019 07:56 AM

Thanks for the heads up! Did notice games crashing more with 1403, now that I'm on 1404 seems more stable.

AmericanLoco 11-12-2019 08:47 PM

I thought AGESA 1.0.0.4 was supposed to introduce eco mode? Still doesn't show up in my Ryzen Master.

Edit: Updated to 1404 - this BIOS is still all jacked up. Eco-Mode now shows up on Ryzen Master, but only if the Core Performance Boost is set to Level 1, 2 or 3. If they're set to "Default" or "Auto", eco-mode doesn't show up. If you set it to Level 1, 2 or 3, the PPT and everything gets jacked way up to 1000+ watts and 145A. Hopefully they'll get it figured out by 1405...

papertoast 11-13-2019 07:37 PM

been running the new bios for a few days and not all has been smooth

got something weird with the cpu fans, they stop completely and dont come back unless i power down the system and turn it back on
also it wont save some of the settings, one being the voltage for the cpu,

orlfman 11-17-2019 09:02 PM

I got this board along with a 3800x and so far I've been liking it. I do have a question though, I noticed ryzen master states my tdp for my 3800x is 142 watts. I thought it was 105? I have PBO set to disabled since I don't want any overclocking stuff. I also have performance enhancer set to auto since there isn't a way to disable it. using 1404.

jamexman 11-18-2019 03:53 AM

ASUS TUF GAMING X570 PLUS
 
Has the new agesa 1.0.0.4b reduced your boost max clocks on this board? With 1.0.0.3ABBA I was getting 4625 MHz max on a couple of cores on my 3900x, with the new one max i see is 4550 MHz max...


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ziocomposite 11-18-2019 10:59 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by jamexman (Post 28200696)
Has the new agesa 1.0.0.4b reduced your boost max clocks on this board? With 1.0.0.3ABBA I was getting 4625 MHz max on a couple of cores on my 3900x, with the new one max i see is 4550 MHz max...


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It may be related to this - https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...how_to_fix_it/

jamexman 11-18-2019 11:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ziocomposite (Post 28202020)



I don’t think so. I don’t use PBO, in stock. And that bug is for Gigabyte boards anyway.


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Masamoto 11-19-2019 07:12 PM

Hmmm I might need to spend some more time with this board first.
Just got it today to replace my X570 Phantom Gaming 4 which I send back cause the top PCIe is to close to the CPU socket and it interferes with my CPU cooler.
But for now still unimpressed.
For the X570 Phantom Gaming 4, I just went in and set the XMP profile for my G.Skill RipJaws V 3200 then put the speed at 3600 and done no problems.
The Tuf won't boot when I just do that. Will need some work I guess.
It's paired with a 3700X
Bios is updated to 1404

GarMr 11-22-2019 12:06 PM

TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (Non Wifi)
 
Version 1404 - 15.15 MBytes ( https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...HelpDesk_BIOS/ )
Release date - 2019/11/21


Quote:

TUF GAMING X570-PLUS BIOS 1404
1. Update AM4 combo PI 1.0.0.4 patch B
2. Support Ryzen™ 2001-series APU
* You will not be able to downgrade your BIOS after updating to this BIOS version
Most likely more bug fixes. Maybe fixes eco boost and more RAM/XMP fixes.

Advil000 11-22-2019 08:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarMr (Post 28206952)
Version 1404 - 15.15 MBytes ( https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards...HelpDesk_BIOS/ )
Release date - 2019/11/21



Most likely more bug fixes. Maybe fixes eco boost and more RAM/XMP fixes.

That's very odd. It is the same BIOS number as last time. Either they just cleaned up the web page and edited the date 1404 was released to make it look newer than it is, or they really screwed up and released another BIOS with the same version number.

gijoe50000 11-23-2019 10:04 AM

Anybody randomly getting a "no display" error on boot?
I'm using display port, and about every second time I boot I get a 3L1S beep.
But the weird thing is it still almost always boots afterwards. It's weird, like, I'll get the first "good" beep, then a splash screen, then the display goes off with an error code, and then suddenly I'm into Windows and everything is great.
About 1 in 10 times it actually doesn't boot, and I have to flick the reset button, then all is good.
Anybody know what this is about? It seems like a glitch where the mobo thinks it no display for a few seconds..
I haven't stumbled on any pcie or display settings in the bios yet, but I haven't looked too hard.. Still fumbling around in the dark with this new Ryzen malarkey..

LanXor 11-24-2019 01:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by GarMr (Post 28206952)
Most likely more bug fixes.

Previous 1404 and current 1404 bios version same - or at least beyond compare cannot find any difference on Hex level.

dajez 11-25-2019 01:13 PM

I'm running everything on stock, only have docp enabled. When I do restart it fails to boot. If I do shutdown and it boots fine also its stable in windows. Also when I try to oc my ram it always defaults to the docp settings. Anyone have any idea what would cause this?

FaxedForward 11-26-2019 05:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dajez (Post 28210910)
I'm running everything on stock, only have docp enabled. When I do restart it fails to boot. If I do shutdown and it boots fine also its stable in windows. Also when I try to oc my ram it always defaults to the docp settings. Anyone have any idea what would cause this?

I am on a ASUS Prime X570-Pro (not the same board, but very close) and experiencing this exact same issue. Usually fails POST from cold boot with the DRAM LED on any time DOCP is enabled (2x16GB, DDR4 3600, CL16, 16-19-19-19). The weird thing is, it's perfectly stable, passed 8 runs of Memtest86 with no issues at DOCP settings, restarts fine, etc. Just fails to POST quite often from cold boot.

I have noticed that the longer it sits, the more likely it is to fail POST. If it's stuck at a POST failure with the DRAM LED on, I can hold the power button to turn off, then press again to re-initiate startup, and it will usually boot this way with DOCP settings on the second or third try...

On Reddit and LinusTechTips others are reporting the same issue, many people are thinking the culprit is low DRAM Vboot which is set to 1.2 and not adjustable in TUF/Prime BIOS.

FaxedForward 11-27-2019 10:14 AM

FYI: BIOS 1405 is released today.

https://www.hardwareluxx.de/communit...28903.html#2.7

Direct link:

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/m...-ASUS-1405.zip

s002wjh 11-27-2019 11:12 AM

i'm looking to get this mobo or elite wifi, could somebody tell me if there is issue with Realtek lan or not?

LanXor 11-27-2019 02:30 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by s002wjh (Post 28213580)
i'm looking to get this mobo or elite wifi, could somebody tell me if there is issue with Realtek lan or not?

Using this mobo for 2 months and no issues with lan.

Is there some specific issue one should expect ?

lightsout 11-27-2019 02:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LanXor (Post 28213842)
Using this mobo for 2 months and no issues with lan.



Is there some specific issue one should expect ?



People often say they are inferior to Intel. In real life not sure that amounts to a whole lot. But someone may share their poor experience with Realtek.

papertoast 11-27-2019 05:29 PM

https://dlcdnets.asus.com/pub/ASUS/m...-ASUS-1404.zip


for the other flavor of board

FaxedForward 11-27-2019 07:04 PM

So far 1405 has solved my POST issues with G.Skill Ripjaws 2x16GB at 3600MHz. Tightened timings to 16-18-18-38 and still good. Crossing my fingers that this keeps up.

dajez 11-28-2019 03:59 AM

Got myself some new memory today, the Crucial ballistix elite 4000mhz. I can't get it to boot on the 4000mhz docp profile. Neither with lowering the clocks to 3600. Tried the timings I got with the dram calculator, none will boot. Only with I leave it stock it boots at 2666mhz...

|2A|N 11-28-2019 04:54 AM

Going from 1404 to 1405 everything is running fine. Do we know what changes were made in 1405?

FaxedForward 11-28-2019 02:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by |2A|N (Post 28214706)
Going from 1404 to 1405 everything is running fine. Do we know what changes were made in 1405?

Helpful release notes as always...

“Improve system performance”

Gunderman456 11-28-2019 07:26 PM

Bought mine today!

Currently working on my [Build Log] The Fast on the Cheap.

https://www.overclock.net/forum/1808...ast-cheap.html

https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...1&d=1574965780

I'm hoping to learn all the tips and tricks to overclock my 3700X from you good folks!

uglykidmoe 11-28-2019 08:26 PM

tuf gaming x570 plus with wifi - bios 1405 - r7 3700x - corsair 2x16 vengence rbg pro ddr4 3200 16 18 18 36 1.35v (CMW32GX4M2C3200C). build is brand new, will not boot after enabling docp, boots @ 2133 will also boot at 2800, but no higher. any thoughts? : )

Gunderman456 11-28-2019 08:38 PM

I'm not seeing much help when it comes to RAM and booting issues. Can anyone help these guys please??

Advil000 11-28-2019 10:16 PM

I just installed 1405 coming up from 1403 with my 3900X. So far so good! I can't say that my max overclock got any better, or that I'm seeing any "better" boost control compared to 1403 but it did seem to make getting a good overclock done in BIOS quite a bit easier and more forgiving.

Also, I'll do some more testing but it would appear that something they did has improved overall stability as the system is now stable at a 1900mhz FCLK / 3800 RAM when I was only able to really run at 1866 / 3733 before. I couldn't even boot stably into windows for more than a few seconds at 1900 before, now I've hammered it at those settings in multiple benchmarks and games.

I'll take it! Especially since for gaming, even if I didn't win the silicon lottery for ultra fast cores on this CPU, the fabric clock has made an absolute monster out of the thing.

dajez 11-29-2019 03:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Advil000 (Post 28215802)
I just installed 1405 coming up from 1403 with my 3900X. So far so good! I can't say that my max overclock got any better, or that I'm seeing any "better" boost control compared to 1403 but it did seem to make getting a good overclock done in BIOS quite a bit easier and more forgiving.

Also, I'll do some more testing but it would appear that something they did has improved overall stability as the system is now stable at a 1900mhz FCLK / 3800 RAM when I was only able to really run at 1866 / 3733 before. I couldn't even boot stably into windows for more than a few seconds at 1900 before, now I've hammered it at those settings in multiple benchmarks and games.

I'll take it! Especially since for gaming, even if I didn't win the silicon lottery for ultra fast cores on this CPU, the fabric clock has made an absolute monster out of the thing.


I can't even get it to boot at 3600mhz, max I got it to boot atm was 3200

LanXor 11-29-2019 12:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by uglykidmoe (Post 28215722)
tuf gaming x570 plus with wifi - bios 1405 will not boot after enabling docp, boots @ 2133 will also boot at 2800, but no higher. any thoughts? : )

Non wi-fi here, bios 1405 - docp will boot only when pushing ram voltage over 1.37 and system stable on 1.43 voltage.
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 3600 18-22-22-42-64 / 1.35 V

Gunderman456 11-29-2019 01:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LanXor (Post 28216586)
Non wi-fi here, bios 1405 - docp will boot only when pushing ram voltage over 1.37 and system stable on 1.43 voltage.
Corsair Vengeance RGB PRO 3600 18-22-22-42-64 / 1.35 V

Good man, one solution is upping the RAM volts.

Also, manually set the RAM specs, sometimes mobos will do weird things with them.

Petet1990 11-29-2019 06:51 PM

Hey guys just picked up the tuff board w a 3600 and 16gb of corsair 3600. decided to look at the memory this board is compatible with after the fact, and it isn't. What memory you guys recommend with this board?

Gunderman456 11-29-2019 08:07 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petet1990 (Post 28216984)
Hey guys just picked up the tuff board w a 3600 and 16gb of corsair 3600. decided to look at the memory this board is compatible with after the fact, and it isn't. What memory you guys recommend with this board?

So you went to https://www.asus.com/us/Motherboards.../HelpDesk_QVL/ and read off the Memory_QVL_3rd_Gen_AMD_Ryzen_Processors_X570, right?

Reading directly from the white sticker on my RAM sticks and matching with the Asus TUF list, I had to scroll to G.SKILL F4-3600C16D-32GVKC 32GB(16GB*2) DS SK Hynix 16-19-19-39 1.35V 3600 3600.

Asus listed my RAM but put it under the 32GVKC 32GB(16GB*2) when I only bought 16GVKC 16GB(8GB*2). So they listed my RAM specs but listed them under 32GB. It was difficult to find and I needed to pay attention.

Petet1990 11-29-2019 08:25 PM

Yes i checked it and it isnt there..i will look under the 32 gb like u did..or maybe just put the damn thing together and see what happens

Gunderman456 11-29-2019 08:32 PM

Yeah, in most cases you get 30 day return no question asked and even if it's not on the list it may still work though Ryzen can be particular. As long as it boots and plays nice at its rated specs you're golden.

Petet1990 11-29-2019 08:43 PM

Ya ive been hearing its very sensitive to memeory ill just try it and if not return it to microcenter

Gunderman456 11-29-2019 08:46 PM

Good luck!

aaronsta1 12-01-2019 02:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Petet1990 (Post 28216984)
Hey guys just picked up the tuff board w a 3600 and 16gb of corsair 3600. decided to look at the memory this board is compatible with after the fact, and it isn't. What memory you guys recommend with this board?

just because its not listed on the QVL it doesn't mean its not compatible or that it wont work.
the vendors don't send every ram to get qualified.. plus there is new ram sets that weren't made when they were doing the qualifying.


i am personally using a Patriot Viper Gaming RGB set that is 4133 @ 19CL clocked down to 3600 @ 16CL. unfortunately my Ryzen 5 3600 wont post at 1900 FCLK :(

one thing to note, this board does not set auto timings well.. and it doesnt seem to auto train at all..
so if you have it running stock 2133 and then change the clock speed to 3600, it probably wont post if you leave everything else on auto.

use a program called aida64 and grab the ram timings and set them manually for whatever speed you want.

Petet1990 12-01-2019 09:06 AM

I appreciate the info about the board. I actually returned that ram and picked up gskill 32gb set at 3200 at 16-18-18-38

Tiihokatti 12-01-2019 12:08 PM

Honestly just looking at the brand (and sometimes even the model number) doesn't help at all when searching for compatible memory. For example Corsair is selling some sticks with absolutely random chips, the stick could have Hynix, Samsung or Micron chips under the hood. Which is why some people went as far as ordering multiple sets of the memory and returning all the ones which weren't Samsung...
For example Crucial with "AES"-string included in the model number is guaranteed to be a Micron e-die which runs absolutely fantastic on Ryzen. And to top it off, the e-die sticks are usually one of the cheapest sticks available in the current ram-market.

dajez 12-01-2019 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Tiihokatti (Post 28218908)
Honestly just looking at the brand (and sometimes even the model number) doesn't help at all when searching for compatible memory. For example Corsair is selling some sticks with absolutely random chips, the stick could have Hynix, Samsung or Micron chips under the hood. Which is why some people went as far as ordering multiple sets of the memory and returning all the ones which weren't Samsung...
For example Crucial with "AES"-string included in the model number is guaranteed to be a Micron e-die which runs absolutely fantastic on Ryzen. And to top it off, the e-die sticks are usually one of the cheapest sticks available in the current ram-market.

I have micron e die chips, but they fail to run at anything higher than 3200

__RAMI__ 12-02-2019 04:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dajez (Post 28219132)
I have micron e die chips, but they fail to run at anything higher than 3200

Use Ryzen master, to configure the ram parameters, and you can solve it.

This bios is very unstable, it comes with the network card and the audio chip deactivated, satas configured to GEN 1, some usb ports deactivated, you cannot correctly configure the RAM parameters, etc

Felix Bourdon 12-02-2019 05:45 AM

G.Skill Ripjaw 3600MHz
 
Quote:

Originally Posted by FaxedForward (Post 28214218)
So far 1405 has solved my POST issues with G.Skill Ripjaws 2x16GB at 3600MHz. Tightened timings to 16-18-18-38 and still good. Crossing my fingers that this keeps up.


Hey,

I had the same issue with the board, using G.Skill Ripjaw 2x8GB at 3600 MHz, Timing 16-19-19-39.
What did you set it to so it works now with Bios 1405?
because If i do DOCP profile at 3600mhz it wont even load BIOS on start up.

Thanks

TK421 12-02-2019 05:54 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by AlphaC (Post 28028390)
I doubt it, probably Aorus Elite and maybe Asrock Steel Legend for budget builds since it has ALC1220/Intel LAN and also 8 DrMOs which is good enough for 8 cores.


SiliconLottery has Aorus Elite on their QVL.


Additionally due to the PWM layout you downscale your power at idle better because you can run 2 powerstage rather than a minimum of 3.


TUF = ASP1106 PWM, 3 SiC639 powerstages on each PWM phase
Aorus Elite = ISL PWM with 6 phases doubled to 12 via ISL6617 and using SiC634 powerstages



why is asus so keen on not using doublers?

lightsout 12-02-2019 09:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __RAMI__ (Post 28219846)
Use Ryzen master, to configure the ram parameters, and you can solve it.



This bios is very unstable, it comes with the network card and the audio chip deactivated, satas configured to GEN 1, some usb ports deactivated, you cannot correctly configure the RAM parameters, etc



What the heck? That sounds like a lot of issues. Why is this board being so recommended then?

dajez 12-02-2019 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __RAMI__ (Post 28219846)
Use Ryzen master, to configure the ram parameters, and you can solve it.

This bios is very unstable, it comes with the network card and the audio chip deactivated, satas configured to GEN 1, some usb ports deactivated, you cannot correctly configure the RAM parameters, etc

Tried with ryzen master, doesn't help at all...

Gunderman456 12-02-2019 02:30 PM

If I get a sniff off a problem both the Asus TUF X570 mobo and my G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x16GB 3600 kit will go back. Make these work out of the box (we are 3rd gen in for heaven's sake AMD and partners)!!

lightsout 12-02-2019 04:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderman456 (Post 28220548)
If I get a sniff off a problem both the Asus TUF X570 mobo and my G.Skill Ripjaws V 2x16GB 3600 kit will go back. Make these work out of the box (we are 3rd gen in for heaven's sake AMD and partners)!!



I know right. I haven't really been keeping up, but I thought things were much more stable this time around. Seems like a lot of the old issues still around.

Gunderman456 12-02-2019 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightsout (Post 28220692)
I know right. I haven't really been keeping up, but I thought things were much more stable this time around. Seems like a lot of the old issues still around.

Very annoying, issues crop up persist for the life of your PC. You buy another PC, new issues crop up and persist for the life of that PC. Not to pick on AMD but man do they ever get in these funks and tread water. But what does that say about me when I still prefer to hang with them?

What bugs me is that most of the time (besides both Steves from Gamers Nexus and Hardware Unboxed and sometimes JayZ) the reviewers never mention a thing either. When they run into problems they have the benefit of contacting these companies directly, these companies scramble, offer solutions/new hardware and most of the time this info never comes to the light of day.

__RAMI__ 12-03-2019 02:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by lightsout (Post 28220140)
What the heck? That sounds like a lot of issues. Why is this board being so recommended then?

The motherboard is good, the same happens in the other brands. In this case, Asus does not take out a bios in conditions ...

Use Ryzen Master to configure RAM timmings (he configure RAM settings in BIOS), and solve problems.

Gunderman456 12-03-2019 11:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __RAMI__ (Post 28221238)
The motherboard is good, the same happens in the other brands. In this case, Asus does not take out a bios in conditions ...

Use Ryzen Master to configure RAM timmings (he configure RAM settings in BIOS), and solve problems.

Using software instead of going directly to the Bios is a bad idea.

__RAMI__ 12-04-2019 01:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by dajez (Post 28220488)
Tried with ryzen master, doesn't help at all...

Something you are not doing well.

killertea 12-04-2019 02:04 AM

2 months ago i got the TUF GAMING X570-PLUS (WI-FI) plus a ryzen 7 3700x. the only down side that i have with it was that compared to the asus x370 crosshair VI hero was it doesn't have as many USB on the back io. plus it doesn't have a front hook up for the front panel usb 3.1. other then that i am loving the asus gaming plus x570 wi fi. i got that motherboard and the ryzen 3700x for my 29th birthday at best buy. the motherboard was $200 and the cpu was $340.

dajez 12-04-2019 09:39 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __RAMI__ (Post 28222634)
Something you are not doing well.

Tell me what I'm doing wrong then. I tried manually setting everything, partly manual and partly auto, very loose timings, mem voltage at 1.45 (which should be way more than enough) soc at 1.1,...

Advil000 12-04-2019 12:05 PM

The way I'm getting monster performance out of my 3900x:
I'm setting the RAM entirely manually starting with the DRAM calculator and using the Hynix CJR memory type, even though the new hynix chips on my kit aren't technically supported by the calculator yet. This is the RAM kit I'm using:
https://www.newegg.com/g-skill-32gb-...82E16820232861
Set the DRAM calculator to 3733 or 3800 and use the timings it comes up with at that speed. Tweak from there once everything else is stable.
You WILL need to use taiphoon burner to properly pull the RAM info. You can NOT just click the read XMP button in the DRAM calculator. It doesn't work that way. You import the info from taiphoon then click "safe." That will get you the correct timings.

Now the rest of the story:
DOCP is OFF. That's right, OFF. It works pretty well on or off, but when I was making my last push to get 1900 FCLK stable, the more of ASUS automatic crap I could turn off, the better.

I don't use "AMD Overclocking" at all. Never even enabled the menu.

I use a negative voltage offset somewhere between .075 and .1

RAM voltage between 1.35 and 1.39.

Digi VRM, I do have the power targets bumped up a little (not huge) so it won't quite limit under a Prime 95 blend run.

AIDA 64:
RAM Read is over 58000. I can easily break 59000 but traded timings for lower latency for gaming.
RAM Latency 59.7 to 59.9.

CPUz single thread bench: Over 530.

My CPU's boosts aren't anything special and I let the chip handle itself on that. When all cores are loaded really hard around 4075mhz. I do see single cores bump to 4.45 occasionally. But with such a high FCLK and low RAM latency worrying about the last 100mhz on the CPU (which is nearly impossible to control on these new Ryzens) isn't worth the hassle. It's already destroying the 9900k almost everywhere.

Temps are fantastic. Prime 95 blend on my Noctua D15S topping out about 70C. Everything else is at or under that obviously.

So there's no confusion, my system is now 24/7 stable for all use. I hammered it for many hours the last fews nights playing RDR2 no crashes at all. No concerns leaving it just like this forever now.

Additional info:
All drives are NVME.
Power supply is a Seasonic 850 Titanium.
Video card is a lower end Gigabyte RTX 2080 with custom flashed BIOS.

Advil000 12-04-2019 12:16 PM

As near as I can tell, all the motherboard manufacturers are just out to lunch on their default settings. FAR too much voltage, in the wrong places, generating FAR too much heat and gaining little to nothing in additional stability.

The battle, nearly ALL the battle, is directly linked to RAM stability. Including stabilizing the really high FCLK setings.

The sooner you realize that and stop fighting the hopeless CPU boost battle the better.

Yes, you COULD turn on all core overclock or per CCX control but the amount of voltage (and HEAT) you have to start pumping is generally not worth the small extra performance gain. The automatic boost control of the CPU, when everything is right, really does do a good job of deciding moment to moment what the best tradeoff is between perf and heat.

I'm just not comfortable locking all the cores at 4.3+ and letting the CPU go up to 90c. Because at least right now we can't really force a higher max effectively without making the minimums also full torch all the time.

I want the CPU to live a long life and be able to hold the 1900 FCLK through all of it's life rather than risking migration degrading performance. ALL the good performance metrics come from high FCLK and low latency combined. Raw MHZ is the least important of those 3 things.

Gunderman456 12-04-2019 12:31 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Advil000 (Post 28223254)
As near as I can tell, all the motherboard manufacturers are just out to lunch on their default settings. FAR too much voltage, in the wrong places, generating FAR too much heat and gaining little to nothing in additional stability.

The battle, nearly ALL the battle, is directly linked to RAM stability. Including stabilizing the really high FCLK setings.

The sooner you realize that and stop fighting the hopeless CPU boost battle the better.

Yes, you COULD turn on all core overclock or per CCX control but the amount of voltage (and HEAT) you have to start pumping is generally not worth the small extra performance gain. The automatic boost control of the CPU, when everything is right, really does do a good job of deciding moment to moment what the best tradeoff is between perf and heat.

I'm just not comfortable locking all the cores at 4.3+ and letting the CPU go up to 90c. Because at least right now we can't really force a higher max effectively without making the minimums also full torch all the time.

I want the CPU to live a long life and be able to hold the 1900 FCLK through all of it's life rather than risking migration degrading performance. ALL the good performance metrics come from high FCLK and low latency combined. Raw MHZ is the least important of those 3 things.

And that in a nutshell is the story here and is backed up by the decent YT reviews.

__RAMI__ 12-04-2019 04:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Gunderman456 (Post 28221786)
Using software instead of going directly to the Bios is a bad idea.

When you configure it for the first time with Ryzen Master, then you can configure from the Bios (although not all the parameters). It only remains to wait for ASUS.

Gunderman456 12-04-2019 04:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by __RAMI__ (Post 28223556)
When you configure it for the first time with Ryzen Master, then you can do it from the BIos (although not all the parameters). It only remains to wait for ASUS.

Can't wait to put the new build together and find out about all these new nuances.

nikpoth 12-08-2019 08:13 AM

This motherboard has memory voltage sensor ?
HWiNFO64 is not showing memory voltage .
also ryzen master for some reason that price and to manually put vsoc shows 1.3v. I've given 1.1v bios

Advil000 12-09-2019 03:28 PM

No memory voltage sensor that works with 3rd parts programs. I havn't tried the ASUS utility, I don't like their software. that particular voltage report is not terribly important as the other set voltages are a bigger issue and the RAM setting is usually quite close on most motherboards and has a wide range of safe operating voltage.

It's interesting it doesn't show it, but I never felt the need to actually check it.

I just checked my VSOC and it reports correctly in Ryzen Master. Manually set in BIOS to 1.075. Ryzen Master reports 1.081. Pretty close.


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