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Heuchler 07-17-2019 12:17 PM

[der8auer] Per CCX overclocking
 
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RYZEN 3000 OC per CCX rather than all-core

Update: Extreme Caution - doesn't seem worth risking your CPU over 200 or 300 MHz

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Stilt (Post 28055052)
In short: Unless you are certain that you are using manual voltage mode (VRM controller, from the bios) do not use the application ("worktool").

It is a CPU killer if the VRM controller is running in offset-mode.

I tried it with the voltage mode set to offset (or "Auto") and setting 4200MHz for CCX0/1 and 4050MHz for CCX2/3 resulted in 1.405V actual Vout during Cinebench R20.

The voltages during the default OC-Mode remain sane, regardless of the VRM controller operating mode.
This hack however causes the voltage governor to go insane.

I have no idea why someone thought it would be a good idea to release this to the public...




updated with AthyraE resuts over at reddit [Dphotog for pointing it out]
https://old.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...mmend_massive/

4 CCXs stable at 4525, 4500, 4350, and 4325 MHz at 1.38V

CINEBENCH R15 and R20 results @ 4.3GHz vs per CCX OC

Dphotog 07-17-2019 01:25 PM

THIS IS AMAZING I JUST READ THE COMMENTS FROM REDDIT OMG THE NUMBERS ARE SO GOOD NOW!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...mmend_massive/

The Pook 07-17-2019 02:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Dphotog (Post 28048050)
THIS IS AMAZING I JUST READ THE COMMENTS FROM REDDIT OMG THE NUMBERS ARE SO GOOD NOW!
https://www.reddit.com/r/Amd/comment...mmend_massive/


WHY ARE WE YELLING

ShrimpBrime 07-17-2019 02:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 28048112)
WHY ARE WE YELLING

BECAUSE IT'S AMAZING BRO!!!

WannaBeOCer 07-17-2019 02:41 PM

I want a Zen 2 based quad core with 1 CCX.

runwiththedevil 07-17-2019 02:50 PM

Damn interesting. I can't test it yet in my 3900X, but I can see gaming performance to receive a good boost!

Heuchler 07-17-2019 03:10 PM

a few days ago Joey Riz put up a video in which he claims his
RYZEN 9 3900X @4.7 GHz only one CCD enabled (so, 6-core with SMT) on AIO

he later said "both CCDs enabled using ryzen master, I have CCD0 set too 4.5GHz and CCD1 at 4.3GHz at 1.35volts"

Unoid 07-17-2019 03:47 PM

I just tried 4.3 all 8 cores of 3800x at 1.35v all via ryzen master manual and it crashed on cinebench. I don't have much faith i'll get one ccx to 4.4-4.5ghz and the other ccx at 4.2 at 1.4v

JackCY 07-17-2019 03:53 PM

Problem is this should have been in the UEFI from day 1. No as a manufacturer only OC tool that gets leaked. Ryzen master why offering many things seems to be a giant resource hog from what I read. OC tools need to be simple, minimal with no performance impact, not some bloated scifi GUI app. Simplicity and function over form. Though the CCX OC Tool being made with QT is far from simple and small, it's a gigantic over 179MB compressed app, what the hell.

Unoid 07-17-2019 04:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JackCY (Post 28048290)
Problem is this should have been in the UEFI from day 1. No as a manufacturer only OC tool that gets leaked. Ryzen master why offering many things seems to be a giant resource hog from what I read. OC tools need to be simple, minimal with no performance impact, not some bloated scifi GUI app. Simplicity and function over form. Though the CCX OC Tool being made with QT is far from simple and small, it's a gigantic over 179MB compressed app, what the hell.

Only reason to use QT is because it's easy and cross platform, likely made on linux.

I agree with your opinions of lightweight OC tools and lack thereof.

AlphaC 07-17-2019 04:27 PM

Better yet it is something that should be in the microcode. Why isn't it choosing the best cores to boost on I have no clue.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Unoid (Post 28048276)
I just tried 4.3 all 8 cores of 3800x at 1.35v all via ryzen master manual and it crashed on cinebench. I don't have much faith i'll get one ccx to 4.4-4.5ghz and the other ccx at 4.2 at 1.4v

It's still not a fully tested theory.

People are suggesting that AMD went ARM style with big.LITTLE where some cores are high performance and the others are low power. I think it's more that there's variance between chips such that you are held back by your weakest cores when manual overclocking (similar to Zen+). It's exacerbated on R9 3900X because you have 4 CCX (3 cores per CCX) whereas it's likely most if not all Ryzen 7 chips are 2x CCX and Ryzen 5 has no reason to be 2 CCDs or more than 2 CCX.


It's way too early to draw definitive conclusions when PBO is still pretty much broken across vendors.

Reikoji 07-17-2019 04:41 PM

FYI, Ryzen master does this.

Ph42oN 07-17-2019 06:09 PM

Anyone tested this on 3700x or 3600? Would be nice to see how other chips are doing with that.

Would be also nice if this was possible on older ryzens, i think my 1600x would do 4.2-4.3ghz on 1 ccx if it was possible.

gerardfraser 07-17-2019 06:50 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ph42oN (Post 28048454)
Anyone tested this on 3700x or 3600? Would be nice to see how other chips are doing with that.

Would be also nice if this was possible on older ryzens, i think my 1600x would do 4.2-4.3ghz on 1 ccx if it was possible.

I been using Ryzen Master ,because I like it better.
I was only showing 25Mhz over Max Boost on the box but works great.

3600X -5 CCX @ 4425Mhz with CPU 1.325v
https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-a...6-4200mhz.html

3600X-3 CCX @ 4425Mhz with CPU 1.4v
https://www.overclock.net/forum/10-a...er-gamers.html

Miiksu 07-17-2019 11:03 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ShrimpBrime (Post 28048152)
BECAUSE IT'S AMAZING BRO!!!

Spoiler!


Now I'm excited for the 3950X. If a good 3900X chip can do 4.5 GHz. Probably only the bench stable?

chakku 07-17-2019 11:08 PM

Using the tool will still make this a manual OC right, aka OC Mode, not allowing SC boosts?

Heuchler 07-22-2019 11:03 PM

edit: Risk-to-Reward doesn't seem worth trying this tool.


Quote:

Originally Posted by The Stilt (Post 28055052)
In short: Unless you are certain that you are using manual voltage mode (VRM controller, from the bios) do not use the application ("worktool").

It is a CPU killer if the VRM controller is running in offset-mode.

I tried it with the voltage mode set to offset (or "Auto") and setting 4200MHz for CCX0/1 and 4050MHz for CCX2/3 resulted in 1.405V actual Vout during Cinebench R20.

The voltages during the default OC-Mode remain sane, regardless of the VRM controller operating mode.
This hack however causes the voltage governor to go insane.

I have no idea why someone thought it would be a good idea to release this to the public...




1usmus (developer of "DRAM Calculator for Ryzen") in TPU Forum said :

Delete this application and forget about existence, you will kill your processors!This is hacking FIT limits, the last line of protection for the processor

in the offset mode, the VRM controller goes crazy, supplying 1.4 volts to the AVX load, which is very much for this process technology. The FIT contains the maximum voltage for all cores of 1.325 volts, but this does not mean that we will see this voltage in AVX tasks. I strongly do not recommend using this horror.

https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t.../#post-4085376

upgraditus 07-23-2019 09:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Ph42oN (Post 28048454)
Anyone tested this on 3700x or 3600? Would be nice to see how other chips are doing with that.

Would be also nice if this was possible on older ryzens, i think my 1600x would do 4.2-4.3ghz on 1 ccx if it was possible.

I tested quickly 4400 on the ccx with the gold star core but instant reboot even with 1.35v (don't want to input higher) so I'll stick with the stable 4.3 all core @ 1.325v for now.

bigjdubb 07-23-2019 02:38 PM

I'd be interested in seeing some gaming results (the main purpose for the 3700x I'm waiting for). We might actually have a way to overclock and gain performance in gaming. I'll try it out once the feature makes it's way into a bios.


Could this be a reason for getting a 3800x.

VPII 07-23-2019 08:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Heuchler (Post 28055958)
edit: Risk-to-Reward doesn't seem worth trying this tool.















1usmus (developer of "DRAM Calculator for Ryzen") in TPU Forum said :



Delete this application and forget about existence, you will kill your processors!This is hacking FIT limits, the last line of protection for the processor



in the offset mode, the VRM controller goes crazy, supplying 1.4 volts to the AVX load, which is very much for this process technology. The FIT contains the maximum voltage for all cores of 1.325 volts, but this does not mean that we will see this voltage in AVX tasks. I strongly do not recommend using this horror.



https://www.techpowerup.com/forums/t.../#post-4085376

I've been using this worktool on my 3600 and now 3900x but I always use a voltage set in the bios. I do not believe in offset voltages. I've also used a multimeter to check the vcore on the probelt and it is exactly what is set in the bios when using llc 5.

I will however try to see how Ryzen Master work just in case.

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