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JackCY 09-17-2019 03:34 AM

AMD... the worst graphics software so far. What's next, each effect as paid DLC? Random effects in lootboxes?
I like some of their hardware, it's good tech but they always manage to taint or ruin it somehow with their lack software support or lack of adoption of their new features, or outright not launching promised new features in software/driver even when they exist in hardware.

Just install ReShade and port their code better rather than to rely on AMD's whims.

Vega VII was a fired/retired director I think it was or someone quite high up, was trying to push a last minute response to Turing, just to have something launched that "competes", so they repurposed a compute card meant for servers etc. and sold a few units to in retail to regular people. The support for it was never gonna last a product they had a fight around internally for sure, was a loss etc.

AMD doesn't compete with Nvidia, they cooperate, they will not gain any mindshare by doing so.

maltamonk 09-17-2019 03:35 AM

Meh......source is from reddit tagged as rumors there yet makes news here. It's speculation at this point that it won't be brought to 56,64, and vii.

tpi2007 09-17-2019 05:23 AM

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Originally Posted by maltamonk (Post 28130144)
Meh......source is from reddit tagged as rumors there yet makes news here. It's speculation at this point that it won't be brought to 56,64, and vii.


The source in the OP mentions PCGamesN as the source via PC Games Hardware (translated link here) and Reddit. When you go to PCGamesN, the source is their direct question to AMD (see quote below). Reddit's source is PC Games Hardware. And PC Games Hardware's source is PCGamesN.

Quote:

“AMD will gauge end user reception and demand for Radeon Image Sharpening,” says AMD in response to our questions about future Vega support, “and will consider adding support for additional Radeon RX graphics cards in the future.”

Bold for emphasis.

TL;DR: The source is PCGamesN, and they asked AMD directly. This is not a rumour.

ToTheSun! 09-17-2019 05:45 AM

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Originally Posted by tpi2007 (Post 28130206)
TL;DR: The source is PCGamesN, and they asked AMD directly.

   

maltamonk 09-17-2019 05:56 AM

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For owners of appropriate graphics cards that is annoying. However, AMD does not want to exclude the addition of Radeon Image Sharpening for Vega graphics cards. At the request of pcgamesn.com it was stated that this is dependent on the final reception and demand of the current users of the feature. Accordingly, it is considered to provide "additional Radeon RX graphics cards" in the future with support.
It says while it's not available now it may be in the future. That is neither a no or a yes. So stating that it's a no in the future is a rumor. It's a typical type of answer that covers both angles. Somehow we always are glass half empty or glass half full, instead of leaving it just what it is...half. Further owners have the ability to fill the glass.

dagget3450 09-17-2019 06:22 AM

Why would they have a poll for feedback on what to add?

https://www.feedback.amd.com/se/5A1E27D203B57D32

The fact polaris/navi got RIS and Vega hasn't "YET" supports this so far...

Maybe they will add it in 2025 or next century, or never. Either way vega has been left out NOW, why?


Nvidia released RTX, end eventually enabled for all older gpus. It was pointless but they did it.

This is currently like Nvidia dropping RTX(or DLSS) off the 2080ti because they just didn't sell that many.

maltamonk 09-17-2019 06:28 AM

The "why" is easy. It's obvious that newer cards would have it...ie...Navi. Polaris has the numbers over Vega by far. They are supporting the numbers.

ToTheSun! 09-17-2019 06:39 AM

mfw nVidia cards got RIS before AMD cards did

tpi2007 09-17-2019 06:41 AM

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Originally Posted by maltamonk (Post 28130238)
It says while it's not available now it may be in the future. That is neither a no or a yes. So stating that it's a no in the future is a rumor. It's a typical type of answer that covers both angles. Somehow we always are glass half empty or glass half full, instead of leaving it just what it is...half. Further owners have the ability to fill the glass.


That would be all well and good if you hadn't missed the part in the article's title that says that they are listening [for feedback]. At the end of the day facts are facts though, they decided to not roll out support for it at the same time that they decided to roll out for Polaris. That is a decision that they made. Can it be reverted in the future? Obviously.

PontiacGTX 09-17-2019 06:44 AM

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Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer (Post 28130006)
I'd rather they bring back core overclocking for the Radeon VII than implement RIS.

lol I mean this is less relevent comparing the marketshare of Vega combined vs the Radeon VII i doubt this would have higher priority but this is assuming AMD doesnt have an agenda to sell the latest, which in ths case is false then maybe a Radeon VII might get the overclocking first if enough people complains

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Originally Posted by dagget3450 (Post 28130260)
Why would they have a poll for feedback on what to add?

https://www.feedback.amd.com/se/5A1E27D203B57D32

The fact polaris/navi got RIS and Vega hasn't "YET" supports this so far...

Maybe they will add it in 2025 or next century, or never. Either way vega has been left out NOW, why?


Nvidia released RTX, end eventually enabled for all older gpus. It was pointless but they did it.


This is currently like Nvidia dropping RTX(or DLSS) off the 2080ti because they just didn't sell that many.



have a good public image among their customers that at AMD they listen them?

between the software exclusivity and late releases of AMD (and unfulfilled promises) and the nvidia strategy to sell the customers what it is the currently competitive but not the best yet available makes one lose interest in new products, specially since they arent reasonably priced anymore, hey now midrange is 450+ (550+ on nvidia)

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Originally Posted by tpi2007 (Post 28130278)
That would be all well and good if you hadn't missed the part in the article's title that says that they are listening [for feedback]. At the end of the day facts are facts though, they decided to not roll out support for it at the same time that they decided to roll out for Polaris. That is a decision that they made. Can it be reverted in the future? Obviously.

Integer scaling was on the poll and they didnt even announce the development of integer scaling, then one will believe them that they are listening to our requests?


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