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elmor 11-25-2019 10:09 AM

Intel Core i9-10980XE: 5 GHz on 18 cores
 
https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...bg-500x332.png


Presenting Cascade Lake-X

With Intel’s 10 nm products not yet being ready for the desktop market, they’ve had to get creative with their product releases. In a third processor update for the X299 platform they present us with Cascade Lake-X. It arrives with promises of increased performance through frequency bumps, courtesy of another advancement in 14 nm process technology.


Higher boost clocks

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...1/cpu-5002.png

The specification of the Core i9-10980XE is not much changed from its predecessor, the Core i9-9980XE. CPU-Z 1.90.1 even reports it as being the same chip. It keeps the same 3.0 GHz base speed but increases the peak boost clocks by 100 MHz to 4.8 GHz. There are still 18 cores and 36 threads at a 165W TDP. The monolithic die stays soldered to its IHS. With Intel typically being conservative about their advertised frequencies, there is potential for better overclocking results.


Test setup

  • Intel Core i9-10980XE (QS)
  • ASUS ROG Rampage VI Extreme Encore (BIOS 0010)
  • G.SKILL F4-4000C18Q-32GTZKW (4x8GB)
  • EK-MLC Phoenix 360 CLC
  • Windows 10 1903, High Performance power plan


Effective Clock

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...rf-600x508.png


The primary reason “Effective Clock” was added to HWInfo from v6.14 was an issue with clock reporting on Cascade Lake-X. When initially performing these tests, it looked like the new processor got nowhere near its rated boost clocks. After investigation, the boost specification seemed to be met based on performance. This meant the clock reporting had an issue. An alternative was found by relying on CPU clock counters instead of the reported clock ratio. An added benefit is that this method reflects all frequency changes during the measurement period instead of reporting time-discrete readings. This includes clock gating, clock stretching and throttling. Using this new method returned results much closer to the expected values and is used for frequency reporting in this article.

Further information: https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads...te-clock.5958/


Method

Any benchmark results are the average of three runs. In the single threaded tests, the thread affinity for the benchmark was manually set to the highest ranked core. HWInfo 6.14 was used to record the monitoring information during the run. The average frequency was measured using the “Effective Clock” item. The average power was measured directly from the VRM controller and reports the CPU input power.

Results and Analysis


Stock Performance

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...erformance.png

In the single-threaded test, the clock frequency is very close to its advertised boost during the entire benchmark. When looking at the multi-threaded test the frequency is not as impressive and drops all the way to 3.4 GHz in order to stay within the default power limit. What is impressive is the highest temperature reported during this test, highlighting significant overclocking headroom through the use of soldered TIM (Thermal Interface Material).


Overclocked Performance

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...formance-1.png

Through the overclocked results we can verify that there is indeed plenty of headroom. Reaching a full 5 GHz on all 18 cores is very impressive, even considering the insane power consumption of 512 W during this benchmark. Comparing to the stock results translates in 45% more performance at 218% higher power consumption.

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...-12K-FFT-2.png

Continuing with Prime95 tests reveals which frequencies could be expected for long term overclocks. This tells a similar story of impressive frequencies at the cost of much increased power consumption. Up to 4.7 GHz when not utilizing AVX instructions is about 200 MHz higher than what could be achieved on a decent Skylake-X processor. When enabling full AVX 512-bit instructions, the frequency had to be lowered to 4.2 GHz to keep stability and prevent overheating. The high performance liquid cooling used just barely prevented the processor from throttling at just under 500 W of processor power consumption.

Original article: https://www.elmorlabs.com/index.php/...z-on-18-cores/

manolith 11-27-2019 03:29 PM

I know that this is not the cutting edge that we wanted especially when compared to the 3950x or the new TR cpus but the 10980xe is a monster when overclocked. I also think there are certain circumstances where we could make the argument for it as a gaming cpu. Two gaming rigs in one case =D

Falkentyne 11-27-2019 03:43 PM

@elmor

I wonder how this processor would do if you disabled 10 cores and turned it into an 8 core 16 thread processor and then pushed it similar to a 9900k?
Might be interesting how far it would scale on "reasonable" Loadline calibration, and which cores turn out to be 'weak' (since i think voltages can be set for each core on this platform?).

I Just wish the Ring mesh didn't have so many performance issues in games :(

Baasha 11-27-2019 04:09 PM

1.325V?? Yikes that is really high for 18-cores.

CapitanPelusa 11-27-2019 04:43 PM

Thank you for the post.

Results like these is what i am hoping to achieve in my rig as soon as my 10980xe arrives. I am configuring a custom loop right now using 2x 280mm (30mm thick) rads, its the 'most rad' i can have without investing in a new case, to see if i can try to tame the heat that this sucker is gonna output.

In all honesty all core 4.6 and manageable temps would make me happy and will be a nice upgrade from what i have atm.

Kalm_Traveler 11-27-2019 05:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkentyne (Post 28214076)
@elmor

I wonder how this processor would do if you disabled 10 cores and turned it into an 8 core 16 thread processor and then pushed it similar to a 9900k?
Might be interesting how far it would scale on "reasonable" Loadline calibration, and which cores turn out to be 'weak' (since i think voltages can be set for each core on this platform?).

I Just wish the Ring mesh didn't have so many performance issues in games :(

What issues? I haven't had any trouble playing games on my 'old' 7960x

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baasha (Post 28214122)
1.325V?? Yikes that is really high for 18-cores.

Is it? my last winter 9900k rig was doing 5.2ghz all core on that same voltage... and right now while I'm finally trying to dial in the max daily OC on this 7960x it seems to want 1.300 for stable all core 4.8ghz. Going to try pushing for 5 but I'm not sure it'll be daily stable, though it was passing 3dmark runs last winter outdoors at 5.2ghz all core so maybe there's a chance (mind you cores were hitting 70-75 C in 10 F ambient with a giant fan aimed at the radiator intake fans).

wingman99 11-27-2019 08:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkentyne (Post 28214076)
@elmor

I wonder how this processor would do if you disabled 10 cores and turned it into an 8 core 16 thread processor and then pushed it similar to a 9900k?
Might be interesting how far it would scale on "reasonable" Loadline calibration, and which cores turn out to be 'weak' (since i think voltages can be set for each core on this platform?).

I Just wish the Ring mesh didn't have so many performance issues in games :(

The gaming performance is compatible with the i9 9900k, they change some things on the i9-10980XE. See video.


D-EJ915 11-27-2019 10:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkentyne (Post 28214076)
@elmor

I wonder how this processor would do if you disabled 10 cores and turned it into an 8 core 16 thread processor and then pushed it similar to a 9900k?
Might be interesting how far it would scale on "reasonable" Loadline calibration, and which cores turn out to be 'weak' (since i think voltages can be set for each core on this platform?).

I Just wish the Ring mesh didn't have so many performance issues in games :(

It would be pretty sick to have a broadwell chip at these speeds lol. Imagine the 22 core E5-2699 V4 overclocked @[email protected]

Quote:

Originally Posted by Kalm_Traveler (Post 28214172)
What issues? I haven't had any trouble playing games on my 'old' 7960x

Is it? my last winter 9900k rig was doing 5.2ghz all core on that same voltage... and right now while I'm finally trying to dial in the max daily OC on this 7960x it seems to want 1.300 for stable all core 4.8ghz. Going to try pushing for 5 but I'm not sure it'll be daily stable, though it was passing 3dmark runs last winter outdoors at 5.2ghz all core so maybe there's a chance (mind you cores were hitting 70-75 C in 10 F ambient with a giant fan aimed at the radiator intake fans).

Voltage makes temps go pretty crazy on these chips is all really.

Mesh also hinders performance a bit compared to ring cache on 1151 chips. If you downclock cache on an 1151 part (say my 9700k) it nukes performance in some things if you want an easy example (set to 24-30x).

ftln 11-27-2019 10:53 PM

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Quote:

Originally Posted by CapitanPelusa (Post 28214144)
Thank you for the post.

Results like these is what i am hoping to achieve in my rig as soon as my 10980xe arrives. I am configuring a custom loop right now using 2x 280mm (30mm thick) rads, its the 'most rad' i can have without investing in a new case, to see if i can try to tame the heat that this sucker is gonna output.

In all honesty all core 4.6 and manageable temps would make me happy and will be a nice upgrade from what i have atm.

Don't get the 10980xe, try to find a second hand 7980xe then delid and direct die (I just did this)for results like this in p95 no avx & Cinebench:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...308518&thumb=1

https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...308516&thumb=1

RichKnecht 11-28-2019 05:18 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ftln (Post 28214490)
Don't get the 10980xe, try to find a second hand 7980xe then delid and direct die (I just did this)for results like this in p95 no avx & Cinebench:

https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...308518&thumb=1

https://www.overclock.net/forum/atta...308516&thumb=1

Honestly, I would rather get the 10980. After going through the delidding and direct die mounting process with my 7900X, I will never do it again. Was it worth it? I guess. I have a rock stable all core 4.7OC with temps @ 70C under load and 21C at idle. But the frustration and time spent makes me rethink the whole ordeal.

Hydroplane 11-28-2019 06:01 AM

Wonder what their temps were at 5 GHz? Didn't see it in article

ThrashZone 11-28-2019 06:07 AM

Hi,
Newegg has the 10900x for 699.99 in stock about at least 100.us more than I was thinking it would be.

bhsmurfy 11-28-2019 06:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydroplane (Post 28214766)
Wonder what their temps were at 5 GHz? Didn't see it in article

106c full load r20.
Its in the screen shots of the benches.

iamjanco 11-28-2019 06:50 AM

It's times like these that suggest there's no such thing as too much airflow...


Hydroplane 11-28-2019 06:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhsmurfy (Post 28214794)
106c full load r20.
Its in the screen shots of the benches.

Not bad about where my 7980XE tops out with a modest oc :thumb:

ThrashZone 11-28-2019 06:55 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hydroplane (Post 28214766)
Wonder what their temps were at 5 GHz? Didn't see it in article

Quote:

Originally Posted by bhsmurfy (Post 28214794)
106c full load r20.
Its in the screen shots of the benches.

Hi,
Yeah that was on a crappy evga clc too.
Oops nope EK-MLC Phoenix 360 CLC

FlanK3r 11-28-2019 07:14 AM

still good sample, of course, cooling is better than average too :). I think, usually we can see something like 4.6-4.7 GHz with AIO coolers on 10980XE (power packacge is huge!)

ThrashZone 11-28-2019 07:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FlanK3r (Post 28214854)
still good sample, of course, cooling is better than average too :). I think, usually we can see something like 4.6-4.7 GHz with AIO coolers on 10980XE (power packacge is huge!)

Hi,
Indeed not sure how many people will overestimate their wall outlets capability :)


vmanuelgm 11-28-2019 09:09 AM

@elmor

Did u overclock the mesh in this new cpu???

Kana Chan 11-28-2019 09:46 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamjanco (Post 28214814)
It's times like these that suggest there's no such thing as too much airflow...

https://youtu.be/EM2G5vLGcQQ?t=24

Needs pumps like to go along with the new waterblocks and much larger cooling system + those two fans.

jincuteguy 11-28-2019 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CapitanPelusa (Post 28214144)
Thank you for the post.

Results like these is what i am hoping to achieve in my rig as soon as my 10980xe arrives. I am configuring a custom loop right now using 2x 280mm (30mm thick) rads, its the 'most rad' i can have without investing in a new case, to see if i can try to tame the heat that this sucker is gonna output.

In all honesty all core 4.6 and manageable temps would make me happy and will be a nice upgrade from what i have atm.

Your 10980xe arrive? Where did u buy it? I dont see it anywhere

J7SC 11-28-2019 10:03 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by iamjanco (Post 28214814)
It's times like these that suggest there's no such thing as too much airflow...

https://youtu.be/EM2G5vLGcQQ?t=24


Quote:

Originally Posted by Kana Chan (Post 28215052)
Needs pumps like https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=apFQMAFle4Q to go along with the new waterblocks and much larger cooling system + those two fans.


...:D Seems to me that at this stage, a Hailea chiller would start to be a much better idea

ThrashZone 11-28-2019 10:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J7SC (Post 28215076)
...:D Seems to me that at this stage, a Hailea chiller would start to be a much better idea

Hi,
Indeed you sure can't go by temps by people using them and never saying so :)

iamjanco 11-28-2019 11:28 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by J7SC (Post 28215076)
...:D Seems to me that at this stage, a Hailea chiller would start to be a much better idea

My choice would be Koolance (in another life, I kept a reef tank). 'Course, now that we're headed south toward Absolute, a couple of MO-RA3s would also do the trick.

At least until the White Wabbit arrives in April ;)

-Gabesz- 11-28-2019 11:41 AM

nice shot!
not recommended for everyday use :)
How much can a 10980xe 24/7 have?


My i9 7900x with delid+liquid metal+custom copper IHS+ custom water loop
5Ghz HT-on: and 5,2Ghz HT-off:

Turtle Rig 11-28-2019 11:43 AM

That power consumption is insane once overclocked you better have some beefy cooling and not care about electricity bill to get this and it still loses to AMD which uses a ton less power consumption To little too late... stuck on 2 year old tech.

Nizzen 11-28-2019 12:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle Rig (Post 28215204)
That power consumption is insane once overclocked you better have some beefy cooling and not care about electricity bill to get this and it still loses to AMD which uses a ton less power consumption To little too late... stuck on 2 year old tech.

The funny part is that when overclocking Cpu, mesh and memory x299 does not loose to AMD ;)

Nobody here on OCN care about high power consumption. We had that even before OCN was a forum ;)
I love both x570 and x299 :D

Baasha 11-28-2019 12:56 PM

power consumption? lol I remember running 4x 580 Classified in 4-Way SLI - required 2x 8-pin plus 1x 6-pin connector for EACH GPU!! Was pulling 2300W at the wall! 20A breaker FTW! :D


https://i.imgur.com/fb7TImO.jpg

Turtle Rig 11-28-2019 05:04 PM

Actually just checking power consumption is not that bad compared to 3960 TR3

Turtle Rig 11-28-2019 05:50 PM

What is the TJ Max for the 10980XE 106c is crazy,,,, when does it shutdown ?

Aby67 11-28-2019 07:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28210722)
https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...bg-500x332.png


Presenting Cascade Lake-X

With Intel’s 10 nm products not yet being ready for the desktop market, they’ve had to get creative with their product releases. In a third processor update for the X299 platform they present us with Cascade Lake-X. It arrives with promises of increased performance through frequency bumps, courtesy of another advancement in 14 nm process technology.


Higher boost clocks

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...1/cpu-5002.png

The specification of the Core i9-10980XE is not much changed from its predecessor, the Core i9-9980XE. CPU-Z 1.90.1 even reports it as being the same chip. It keeps the same 3.0 GHz base speed but increases the peak boost clocks by 100 MHz to 4.8 GHz. There are still 18 cores and 36 threads at a 165W TDP. The monolithic die stays soldered to its IHS. With Intel typically being conservative about their advertised frequencies, there is potential for better overclocking results.


Test setup

  • Intel Core i9-10980XE (QS)
  • ASUS ROG Rampage VI Extreme Encore (BIOS 0010)
  • G.SKILL F4-4000C18Q-32GTZKW (4x8GB)
  • EK-MLC Phoenix 360 CLC
  • Windows 10 1903, High Performance power plan


Effective Clock

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...rf-600x508.png


The primary reason “Effective Clock” was added to HWInfo from v6.14 was an issue with clock reporting on Cascade Lake-X. When initially performing these tests, it looked like the new processor got nowhere near its rated boost clocks. After investigation, the boost specification seemed to be met based on performance. This meant the clock reporting had an issue. An alternative was found by relying on CPU clock counters instead of the reported clock ratio. An added benefit is that this method reflects all frequency changes during the measurement period instead of reporting time-discrete readings. This includes clock gating, clock stretching and throttling. Using this new method returned results much closer to the expected values and is used for frequency reporting in this article.

Further information: https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads...te-clock.5958/


Method

Any benchmark results are the average of three runs. In the single threaded tests, the thread affinity for the benchmark was manually set to the highest ranked core. HWInfo 6.14 was used to record the monitoring information during the run. The average frequency was measured using the “Effective Clock” item. The average power was measured directly from the VRM controller and reports the CPU input power.

Results and Analysis


Stock Performance

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...erformance.png

In the single-threaded test, the clock frequency is very close to its advertised boost during the entire benchmark. When looking at the multi-threaded test the frequency is not as impressive and drops all the way to 3.4 GHz in order to stay within the default power limit. What is impressive is the highest temperature reported during this test, highlighting significant overclocking headroom through the use of soldered TIM (Thermal Interface Material).


Overclocked Performance

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...formance-1.png

Through the overclocked results we can verify that there is indeed plenty of headroom. Reaching a full 5 GHz on all 18 cores is very impressive, even considering the insane power consumption of 512 W during this benchmark. Comparing to the stock results translates in 45% more performance at 218% higher power consumption.

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...-12K-FFT-2.png

Continuing with Prime95 tests reveals which frequencies could be expected for long term overclocks. This tells a similar story of impressive frequencies at the cost of much increased power consumption. Up to 4.7 GHz when not utilizing AVX instructions is about 200 MHz higher than what could be achieved on a decent Skylake-X processor. When enabling full AVX 512-bit instructions, the frequency had to be lowered to 4.2 GHz to keep stability and prevent overheating. The high performance liquid cooling used just barely prevented the processor from throttling at just under 500 W of processor power consumption.

Original article: https://www.elmorlabs.com/index.php/...z-on-18-cores/

@elmor

I am a great fan of yours , your patience, and intelligence.....

but honestly ....the last threadripper launched, marked the end of overclocked cpus....

While i can still see a logic in extreme overlcocking which can be very useful for R/D too
and i can understand the passion to push a old cpu to 5 ghz and play around with bios to make it happen...

I do not see the reason to do it on this last Intel launch...You might as well get an old CPU form the 90s, and do the same like eg buildzoid does, for the sake of research and informing people about what happens to a computer when it is running to those who care to learn details.

I would rather put much more effort to see how to make stock cpus run above their regular current levels, until graphene heat spreaders will hit the market on the cpu pcbs, and put an end to heat dissipation limitations for perpetual running boost clocks.

Fact is that Intel is out form the silicon run....and will only be able to compete, with silicon , on the laptop segment till silicon will be taken over around 2027 by organic , or semi organic electro magnetic bias enhanced cpus
1nm is behind the corner just as Vr at 16k x16 k resolutions running at 244hz
and Intel fabs........will never go beyond 7 nm, if they will have a 7nm node at all at one point
I am not an AMD fan, while i definitely will only buy AMD today....but the facts speak clearly, Intel is out of the CPU manufacturing industry and we will have to cope with the fact of AMD imposing their soon to become insane pricing on our heads from now on. Unless someone new comes out of the blue to follishly compete on silicon.

Wizzzard 11-28-2019 07:39 PM

How can you possibly say that the last threadripper launch marked the end of overclocked CPU's?

Even the new threadrippers responded well to OC.

The 10980XE responds great to OC.

elmor 11-28-2019 08:42 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by CapitanPelusa (Post 28214144)
Thank you for the post.

Results like these is what i am hoping to achieve in my rig as soon as my 10980xe arrives. I am configuring a custom loop right now using 2x 280mm (30mm thick) rads, its the 'most rad' i can have without investing in a new case, to see if i can try to tame the heat that this sucker is gonna output.

In all honesty all core 4.6 and manageable temps would make me happy and will be a nice upgrade from what i have atm.

Quote:

Originally Posted by manolith (Post 28214056)
I know that this is not the cutting edge that we wanted especially when compared to the 3950x or the new TR cpus but the 10980xe is a monster when overclocked. I also think there are certain circumstances where we could make the argument for it as a gaming cpu. Two gaming rigs in one case =D


I have to say I quite like this CPU, it's certainly extreme in a lot of ways. It's just very tweakable and as long as you can cool the chip it will keep scaling. Not a huge upgrade over SKL-X, maybe 1-200 MHz on average higher overclocks from what I've heard.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Falkentyne (Post 28214076)
@elmor

I wonder how this processor would do if you disabled 10 cores and turned it into an 8 core 16 thread processor and then pushed it similar to a 9900k?
Might be interesting how far it would scale on "reasonable" Loadline calibration, and which cores turn out to be 'weak' (since i think voltages can be set for each core on this platform?).

I Just wish the Ring mesh didn't have so many performance issues in games :(


It should be possible to disable the 10 worst cores and see how it does after that. But I think in that case you might as well just go for 9900K/K/KF/S or the 10900X? Or just overclock the cores individually, as you can set per core frequency and voltage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmanuelgm (Post 28214990)
@elmor

Did u overclock the mesh in this new cpu???


Didn't try this yet, will get back to you on that. What kind of results would you like to see, max frequency and memory bandwidth?

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle Rig (Post 28215654)
What is the TJ Max for the 10980XE 106c is crazy,,,, when does it shutdown ?


Default Tjmax on this chip is 110*C. It doesn't shutdown at that point but starts to throttle the frequency and voltage.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aby67 (Post 28215734)
@elmor

I am a great fan of yours , your patience, and intelligence.....

but honestly ....the last threadripper launched, marked the end of overclocked cpus....

While i can still see a logic in extreme overlcocking which can be very useful for R/D too
and i can understand the passion to push a old cpu to 5 ghz and play around with bios to make it happen...

I do not see the reason to do it on this last Intel launch...You might as well get an old CPU form the 90s, and do the same like eg buildzoid does, for the sake of research and informing people about what happens to a computer when it is running to those who care to learn details.

I would rather put much more effort to see how to make stock cpus run above their regular current levels, until graphene heat spreaders will hit the market on the cpu pcbs, and put an end to heat dissipation limitations for perpetual running boost clocks.

Fact is that Intel is out form the silicon run....and will only be able to compete, with silicon , on the laptop segment till silicon will be taken over around 2027 by organic , or semi organic electro magnetic bias enhanced cpus
1nm is behind the corner just as Vr at 16k x16 k resolutions running at 244hz
and Intel fabs........will never go beyond 7 nm, if they will have a 7nm node at all at one point
I am not an AMD fan, while i definitely will only buy AMD today....but the facts speak clearly, Intel is out of the CPU manufacturing industry and we will have to cope with the fact of AMD imposing their soon to become insane pricing on our heads from now on. Unless someone new comes out of the blue to follishly compete on silicon.

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wizzzard (Post 28215742)
How can you possibly say that the last threadripper launch marked the end of overclocked CPU's?

Even the new threadrippers responded well to OC.

The 10980XE responds great to OC.


Overclocking still makes sense in a lot of cases, especially on Intel parts. Low and mid-range AMD processors benefit a lot from it. Their top-end is problematic because you're giving up the 1T boost. They've been saying they will add options to modify the V/F curve more to our liking for a long time. PBO and the Fmax option are steps in that direction but it's not as flexible as one had hoped. Hopefully they will add more options. On the other hand high-end Intel chips have so many different options for overclocking it you can spend endless amount of time tweaking and improving performance.

vmanuelgm 11-29-2019 06:22 AM

@elmor

Yep, I would like to see mesh max stable overclock at Realbench and other stress tests...

Thanks a lot!!!

ThrashZone 11-29-2019 07:34 AM

Hi,
A youtube review I saw showed max cache at 33 manual 1.3v with an offset couldn't tell if it was + or - at 400 probably 0.400 as rock bios
14:20
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ature=emb_logo

elmor 11-29-2019 08:09 AM

2 Attachment(s)
With 1.35V cache I could do max 3.3G in R20 and 3.2G for 15 min+ in Prime 95 with AVX disabled.

ThrashZone 11-29-2019 08:15 AM

Hi,
You should remove all the tj max readings and show voltages instead with temps it's a lot more helpful info :)

RichKnecht 11-29-2019 08:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28216288)
With 1.35V cache I could do max 3.3G in R20 and 3.2G for 15 min+ in Prime 95 with AVX disabled.

Pretty toasty temps there. Wouldn't want to run that 24/7.

ThrashZone 11-29-2019 08:25 AM

Hi,
Yes Mr. Phoenix is not doing to well at 1.3v on core voltage.

Also no need to mess with prime just run blender classroom and real bench.. realistic work load not heat virus.

RichKnecht 11-29-2019 09:26 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28216316)
Hi,
Yes Mr. Phoenix is not doing to well at 1.3v on core voltage.

Also no need to mess with prime just run blender classroom and real bench.. realistic work load not heat virus.

I agree. Prime does not present a realistic load. I also use Blender and Real bench. If my OC is stable in those 2 programs, it's good to go.

wingman99 11-29-2019 11:09 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichKnecht (Post 28216422)
I agree. Prime does not present a realistic load. I also use Blender and Real bench. If my OC is stable in those 2 programs, it's good to go.

If folks use programs that are math calculations based and the instructions and data fit in L1, L2, L3, then prime95 has it's place.:)

TheBDK 11-29-2019 11:24 AM

500w, black hole of power.

elmor 11-29-2019 07:41 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28216290)
Hi,
You should remove all the tj max readings and show voltages instead with temps it's a lot more helpful info :)


You can see the FIVR Vcore in CPU-Z, 1.25V. What other voltages would you like to see? I can make a new screenshot. I've found you want to keep Vccin as low as possible on SKL-X/CL-X to helps reduce processor temperatures. This was with 1.8V set and LLC = Level 2, which drops down to ~1.55-1.60V. As long as VIN Tracker is disabled, that does not cause Vccin throttling.

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichKnecht (Post 28216310)
Pretty toasty temps there. Wouldn't want to run that 24/7.

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28216316)
Hi,
Yes Mr. Phoenix is not doing to well at 1.3v on core voltage.

Also no need to mess with prime just run blender classroom and real bench.. realistic work load not heat virus.


I don't recommend these settings for a daily system, it's mostly to see where the limit is. Around 4.5G with 1.175-1.20V at 85-90*C, with -3 AVX256 and -6 AVX512 offsets would be much more reasonable. Then again it's not very different from SKL-X, just a higher chance of getting a chip that can do those speeds.

vmanuelgm 11-30-2019 02:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28216288)
With 1.35V cache I could do max 3.3G in R20 and 3.2G for 15 min+ in Prime 95 with AVX disabled.


Thanks @elmor , but I find 1.35v for mesh is way too high for 24/7, at least considering the new cpu tolerance is similar to previous 7980xe/9980xe in which 1.2v should be the maximum for daily usage.

At 1.2v can u do 3200 mesh stable??? Could u please pass one hour of Realbench???

The R20 score is a bit disappointing...


https://i.imgur.com/VygqHzK.jpg



What about memory overclocking???

ThrashZone 11-30-2019 06:37 AM

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Hi,
Yeah on 1.8v input voltage is why elmor's r20 is lower
Most of us do or at least I do 1.95v max on input or vccin the actual load vccin drops about 0.015 or so.
This is just an example you asked for elmor of what I believe would be more helpful rather than all of the tj max stuff :)
How the vrm temps are too on I guess you're on the encore.

vmanuelgm 11-30-2019 10:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28217514)
Hi,
Yeah on 1.8v input voltage is why elmor's r20 is lower
Most of us do or at least I do 1.95v max on input or vccin the actual load vccin drops about 0.015 or so.
This is just an example you asked for elmor of what I believe would be more helpful rather than all of the tj max stuff :)
How the vrm temps are too on I guess you're on the encore.

I passed CBR20 at 1.8v vccin and I lost 40 points compared to my usual 4.8avx OC with 1.9v vccin. Every 100MHz else, u gain 200 points more or less, so 4.7 should show around 11000 in a 7980xe/9980xe/10980xe (mesh >30x).

https://i.imgur.com/46LhtWw.png


GosuPl forgot to pass Intelburn, I guess...

And u, are u passing it???

elmor 12-01-2019 05:00 AM

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Originally Posted by vmanuelgm (Post 28217318)
Thanks @elmor , but I find 1.35v for mesh is way too high for 24/7, at least considering the new cpu tolerance is similar to previous 7980xe/9980xe in which 1.2v should be the maximum for daily usage.

At 1.2v can u do 3200 mesh stable??? Could u please pass one hour of Realbench???

The R20 score is a bit disappointing...


https://i.imgur.com/VygqHzK.jpg



What about memory overclocking???

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28217514)
Hi,
Yeah on 1.8v input voltage is why elmor's r20 is lower
Most of us do or at least I do 1.95v max on input or vccin the actual load vccin drops about 0.015 or so.
This is just an example you asked for elmor of what I believe would be more helpful rather than all of the tj max stuff :)
How the vrm temps are too on I guess you're on the encore.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmanuelgm (Post 28217834)
I passed CBR20 at 1.8v vccin and I lost 40 points compared to my usual 4.8avx OC with 1.9v vccin. Every 100MHz else, u gain 200 points more or less, so 4.7 should show around 11000 in a 7980xe/9980xe/10980xe (mesh >30x).

https://i.imgur.com/46LhtWw.png


GosuPl forgot to pass Intelburn, I guess...

And u, are u passing it???

Vccin is not the issue. As long as you set VIN Tracker = Disabled you will have no throttling due to low Vccin voltage. You can also check in HWInfo if any throttling has occurred under "PMAX Limit/VCCIN Under-Voltage". Rather my memory clock was quite a bit lower, here's a bit better run with 3600 CL16 1T memory.

Also passed Realbench with no AVX offset, still 4.7G 1.25V and 3.2G 1.35V cache. I can't do 3.2G cache with 1.20V, 3.0G runs Cinebench R20 with that voltage but usually there's not a big difference to full stability.

vmanuelgm 12-01-2019 05:52 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28218538)
Vccin is not the issue. As long as you set VIN Tracker = Disabled you will have no throttling due to low Vccin voltage. You can also check in HWInfo if any throttling has occurred under "PMAX Limit/VCCIN Under-Voltage". Rather my memory clock was quite a bit lower, here's a bit better run with 3600 CL16 1T memory.

Also passed Realbench with no AVX offset, still 4.7G 1.25V and 3.2G 1.35V cache. I can't do 3.2G cache with 1.20V, 3.0G runs Cinebench R20 with that voltage but usually there's not a big difference to full stability.


Thanks a lot for your tests!!!

So your cpu unit needs 1.3v for 3.2GHz mesh, thats quite high for daily usage, u could have degradation over time... Right now I push 1.135v for 31x in my 7980xe, 32x needs extra voltage and don't like to go above 1.15v unless some short bench.

Your new CBR20 score is right for those frequencies. Which CPU microcode are u running in your 10980xe??? Guess the stock one inside 0401 bios, MC29. There's a new one 12c, included in this modded 0401 bios:

https://mega.nz/#!ZuQ0QIRL!xLBNw307h...XTTF9397S2IctE

In regards to memory overclocking, have u tried lower clocks for 3600/3800/4000 and test them under GSAT/HCI???

elmor 12-01-2019 06:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmanuelgm (Post 28218566)
Thanks a lot for your tests!!!

So your cpu unit needs 1.3v for 3.2GHz mesh, thats quite high for daily usage, u could have degradation over time... Right now I push 1.135v for 31x in my 7980xe, 32x needs extra voltage and don't like to go above 1.15v unless some short bench.

Your new CBR20 score is right for those frequencies. Which CPU microcode are u running in your 10980xe??? Guess the stock one inside 0401 bios, MC29. There's a new one 12c, included in this modded 0401 bios:

https://mega.nz/#!ZuQ0QIRL!xLBNw307h...XTTF9397S2IctE

In regards to memory overclocking, have u tried lower clocks for 3600/3800/4000 and test them under GSAT/HCI???

Still 1.35V for Cache/Mesh in these tests. Wouldn't suggest running it 24/7 either, probably ~1.25V tops. According to BIOS my microcode is 05000029. I don't plan on doing much additional testing, especially not memory. It's too time consuming and from what I can tell not different compared to existing Skylake-X parts.

ThrashZone 12-01-2019 06:46 AM

Hi,
Thanks for the voltages and vrm temps
Looks like the vrm are doing okay on air 20c lower than your cpu package temps anyway :)

elmor 12-01-2019 06:20 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28218600)
Hi,
Thanks for the voltages and vrm temps
Looks like the vrm are doing okay on air 20c lower than your cpu package temps anyway :)

Don't put too much weight on the VRM temps, I don't have any heatsink on the board. Only a 120 mm fan on it.

treetops422 12-01-2019 06:36 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28219508)
Don't put too much weight on the VRM temps, I don't have any heatsink on the board. Only a 120 mm fan on it.

Yeah I think it's funny how much focus goes to "case air flow" when you simply need to point a 120mm fan at your mobo

keeph8n 12-02-2019 07:42 AM

I have been enjoying my 10980XE so far.


On my bench Water loop I've been stable with 50/32 at 1.215/1.15. Been through just about every bench at these clocks and voltages with no issue.



As I've been doing alot of 3D benching as of recent I'm going to try and work up to 50/33 or even 51/33.



Memory seems to be pretty nice at 4000CL16 daily at 1.45V and has done 4000CL12-11-11 when I was benching under LN2

RichKnecht 12-02-2019 07:57 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keeph8n (Post 28220058)
I have been enjoying my 10980XE so far.


On my bench Water loop I've been stable with 50/32 at 1.215/1.15. Been through just about every bench at these clocks and voltages with no issue.



As I've been doing alot of 3D benching as of recent I'm going to try and work up to 50/33 or even 51/33.



Memory seems to be pretty nice at 4000CL16 daily at 1.45V and has done 4000CL12-11-11 when I was benching under LN2

I'd be very happy with that. What are your temps and what does your loop consist of?

ThrashZone 12-02-2019 08:05 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28219508)
Don't put too much weight on the VRM temps, I don't have any heatsink on the board. Only a 120 mm fan on it.

Hi,
You removed the encore's factory vrm cooler ?

keeph8n 12-02-2019 08:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichKnecht (Post 28220084)
I'd be very happy with that. What are your temps and what does your loop consist of?


Heatkiller IV Basic or Pro, depending on whichever block I grabbed, MO-RA3 420 w/ 200mm fans at 800rpm(lowest setting), Heatkiller 200mm reservoir w/ D5 Next Pump, Koolance QDCs and EKWB ZMT tubing


under 100% load in 2D benches(X265 4K x2 Overkill for example) she will reach 88C. During 3D benching with the CPU/Physics tests it only will touch 65C depending on benches load.

pantsaregood 12-02-2019 08:23 AM

So, I'm gathering that mesh overclocking hasn't really improved from Skylake-X?

I was considering jumping from a 7820X at 4.8 GHz/3.2 GHz mesh to one of these if the mesh was capable of going into the range of 3.6 GHz, but from the looks of it that's not happening.

RichKnecht 12-02-2019 08:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keeph8n (Post 28220110)
Heatkiller IV Basic or Pro, depending on whichever block I grabbed, MO-RA3 420 w/ 200mm fans at 800rpm(lowest setting), Heatkiller 200mm reservoir w/ D5 Next Pump, Koolance QDCs and EKWB ZMT tubing


under 100% load in 2D benches(X265 4K x2 Overkill for example) she will reach 88C. During 3D benching with the CPU/Physics tests it only will touch 65C depending on benches load.


Great to know, thanks! It's looking like the 10980XE will be a great upgrade from my 7900X.

keeph8n 12-02-2019 08:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pantsaregood (Post 28220122)
So, I'm gathering that mesh overclocking hasn't really improved from Skylake-X?

I was considering jumping from a 7820X at 4.8 GHz/3.2 GHz mesh to one of these if the mesh was capable of going into the range of 3.6 GHz, but from the looks of it that's not happening.


Haven't tuned mesh yet as it hasn't been high up on my list. 3600-3800 has been done on LN2 easily, but I haven't tried much more than 3.2 as of yet on ambient. Can work on it tonight if I have time in between 3way 3D sessions.

vmanuelgm 12-02-2019 09:47 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keeph8n (Post 28220138)
Haven't tuned mesh yet as it hasn't been high up on my list. 3600-3800 has been done on LN2 easily, but I haven't tried much more than 3.2 as of yet on ambient. Can work on it tonight if I have time in between 3way 3D sessions.


Can u post some benchs (cinebench, HWBot x265) and stress tests like Realbench/Prime95/Intelburn or HCI/GSAT for memory under water???

robertr1 12-02-2019 10:18 AM

Luumi OC's the 10980xe on water on a X299 dark. Goes through the settings, voltage ranges, do's and dont's


keeph8n 12-02-2019 11:14 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmanuelgm (Post 28220226)
Can u post some benchs (cinebench, HWBot x265) and stress tests like Realbench/Prime95/Intelburn or HCI/GSAT for memory under water???




If I have time this week I will. Have alot of 3D testing I need to get done this week so I can prep for 3way LN2

LTSMASH 12-04-2019 04:28 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keeph8n (Post 28220058)
I have been enjoying my 10980XE so far.


On my bench Water loop I've been stable with 50/32 at 1.215/1.15. Been through just about every bench at these clocks and voltages with no issue.



As I've been doing alot of 3D benching as of recent I'm going to try and work up to 50/33 or even 51/33.



Memory seems to be pretty nice at 4000CL16 daily at 1.45V and has done 4000CL12-11-11 when I was benching under LN2

Hi friend - confirming what you mean by this. Do you mean to say your 10980xe hits 5ghz w/ 3.2ghz mesh at 1.215v on cpu core and 1.15v mesh respectively? That's really impressive if so, It seems to be on the upper side of what people have been posting so far and sufficient for a daily driver. What kind of memory speeds are you achieving with this set up on water?

Once you dial in your best 24/7 OC I'd love to see the settings that got you there. I'm looking to move off a delidded 7900x to this 10980xe if enough folks post success stories such as yours. It took about 2 weeks of thorough work to get my 7900x to 4.7ghz all core turbo, 3.2ghz mesh, and memory at 4000CL17.

Thanks!

Turtle Rig 12-04-2019 06:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RichKnecht (Post 28214746)
Honestly, I would rather get the 10980. After going through the delidding and direct die mounting process with my 7900X, I will never do it again. Was it worth it? I guess. I have a rock stable all core 4.7OC with temps @ 70C under load and 21C at idle. But the frustration and time spent makes me rethink the whole ordeal.


Grab it for sure, I dislike team red. They come out of the box OCed to almost max so you cant really dive into CPU OCing' maybe 200mhz more if your lucky. However Intel loves OCing. That is how it is at this time....

Baasha 12-04-2019 07:01 PM

Intel is the biggest POS ever! :mad:


https://i.imgur.com/fGXD2cc.png


Returning all of my parts. this is such absolute BS!

ThrashZone 12-04-2019 07:51 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baasha (Post 28223820)
Intel is the biggest POS ever! :mad:

Returning all of my parts. this is such absolute BS!

Hi,
Why
Companies usually only charge when the item is shipped to you.

Depending on how long the list is for the reserved or preordering you could be sooner they could be referring to their shipments for second or third from Intel.

Baasha 12-04-2019 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28223874)
Hi,
Why
Companies usually only charge when the item is shipped to you.

Depending on how long the list is for the reserved or preordering you could be sooner they could be referring to their shipments for second or third from Intel.

No I usually buy online with PayPal so they took my money immediately. There's no indication that it will ship before then. I will wait till the end of the week to see but there's no way am I going to wait till "mid-Feb 2020" for the CPU.

This launch has been pathetic to say the least.

elmor 12-05-2019 01:34 AM

I suppose we'll have to try this: https://wccftech.com/intel-cascade-l...rclocking/amp/

Nizzen 12-05-2019 03:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28224168)

There is no "we" 😉

10series is impossible to buy yet...
You mean you 😛

Hydroplane 12-05-2019 03:28 AM

I wonder who will get their parts in stock first... I'd be surprised if it was AMD, as they're missing 3900/50/60/70X right now.

vmanuelgm 12-05-2019 03:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28224168)


I linked in one of my previous posts a modded bios for your board with that new Microcode (12c) and u didn't realize...

https://mega.nz/#!ZuQ0QIRL!xLBNw307h...XTTF9397S2IctE

Asus is offering the new Bios for the Encore around december 13th, while Omega and other boards will receive it around december 30th. So if u wanna try that new Microcode before Asus includes it in the new bios's to be released, use the linked mod.

RichKnecht 12-05-2019 04:25 AM

The longer I have to wait for a 10980, the less likely I will be to upgrade. I am sure I am not the only one who feels this way. At this point, the 10980 is proving to be nothing more that a soldered 7980 at half the price. I know I would be really happy if I bought a 9980 a few months ago for 2K.

MrTOOSHORT 12-05-2019 04:45 AM

Guess I'll sit pretty with my 9980xe :D

ThrashZone 12-05-2019 05:21 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baasha (Post 28224086)
No I usually buy online with PayPal so they took my money immediately. There's no indication that it will ship before then. I will wait till the end of the week to see but there's no way am I going to wait till "mid-Feb 2020" for the CPU.

This launch has been pathetic to say the least.

Hi,
No argument there on the paper launch but I wouldn't bail this soon
If it pops up some where else grab it if it less... then cancel the preorder paypal has okay recall policies.

keeph8n 12-05-2019 05:48 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LTSMASH (Post 28223630)
Hi friend - confirming what you mean by this. Do you mean to say your 10980xe hits 5ghz w/ 3.2ghz mesh at 1.215v on cpu core and 1.15v mesh respectively? That's really impressive if so, It seems to be on the upper side of what people have been posting so far and sufficient for a daily driver. What kind of memory speeds are you achieving with this set up on water?

Once you dial in your best 24/7 OC I'd love to see the settings that got you there. I'm looking to move off a delidded 7900x to this 10980xe if enough folks post success stories such as yours. It took about 2 weeks of thorough work to get my 7900x to 4.7ghz all core turbo, 3.2ghz mesh, and memory at 4000CL17.

Thanks!


Seems to be right now after some more testing through 3D synthetics, 50/35 is stable. 1.215Vcore and 1.2VMesh. Memory is at 4000CL16 1.45V.



This is my current 3D Benching profile, and I have done NO stress testing or burn in tests. Passing Timespy Extreme Physics though with this setup is usually harder than R15, so take that as you will.

skupples 12-05-2019 05:51 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Turtle Rig (Post 28215204)
That power consumption is insane once overclocked you better have some beefy cooling and not care about electricity bill to get this and it still loses to AMD which uses a ton less power consumption To little too late... stuck on 2 year old tech.

LOL... bro... this is an enthusiast website. The convo of power usage only comes up when egos have been wounded over tribal brand loyalty nonsense. N honestly, it can't be much worse than what chips of yesteryear pulled from the wall when way outta spec & screaming. It's more cores using about the same amount of power, I'd assume. Kinda like how cars have an average distance traveled, with all different size gas tanks.

keeph8n 12-05-2019 05:58 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28224366)
LOL... bro... this is an enthusiast website. The convo of power usage only comes up when egos have been wounded over tribal brand loyalty nonsense. N honestly, it can't be much worse than what chips of yesteryear pulled from the wall when way outta spec & screaming. It's more cores using about the same amount of power, I'd assume. Kinda like how cars have an average distance traveled, with all different size gas tanks.




Power numbers are funny.



10980XE on LN2 at 5.9GHz is over 1000W. 3970X at 5GHz is over 1250W

elmor 12-05-2019 07:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Nizzen (Post 28224222)
There is no "we" 😉

10series is impossible to buy yet...
You mean you 😛


There's at least one more person in this thread with a chip.

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmanuelgm (Post 28224242)
I linked in one of my previous posts a modded bios for your board with that new Microcode (12c) and u didn't realize...

https://mega.nz/#!ZuQ0QIRL!xLBNw307h...XTTF9397S2IctE

Asus is offering the new Bios for the Encore around december 13th, while Omega and other boards will receive it around december 30th. So if u wanna try that new Microcode before Asus includes it in the new bios's to be released, use the linked mod.


You asked which microcode I was using and I gave you the answer. You didn't mention anything about improved overclocking potential. I'll ask Asus for a BIOS.

os2wiz 12-05-2019 08:04 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28210722)
https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...bg-500x332.png


Presenting Cascade Lake-X

With Intel’s 10 nm products not yet being ready for the desktop market, they’ve had to get creative with their product releases. In a third processor update for the X299 platform they present us with Cascade Lake-X. It arrives with promises of increased performance through frequency bumps, courtesy of another advancement in 14 nm process technology.


Higher boost clocks

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...1/cpu-5002.png

The specification of the Core i9-10980XE is not much changed from its predecessor, the Core i9-9980XE. CPU-Z 1.90.1 even reports it as being the same chip. It keeps the same 3.0 GHz base speed but increases the peak boost clocks by 100 MHz to 4.8 GHz. There are still 18 cores and 36 threads at a 165W TDP. The monolithic die stays soldered to its IHS. With Intel typically being conservative about their advertised frequencies, there is potential for better overclocking results.


Test setup

  • Intel Core i9-10980XE (QS)
  • ASUS ROG Rampage VI Extreme Encore (BIOS 0010)
  • G.SKILL F4-4000C18Q-32GTZKW (4x8GB)
  • EK-MLC Phoenix 360 CLC
  • Windows 10 1903, High Performance power plan


Effective Clock

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...rf-600x508.png


The primary reason “Effective Clock” was added to HWInfo from v6.14 was an issue with clock reporting on Cascade Lake-X. When initially performing these tests, it looked like the new processor got nowhere near its rated boost clocks. After investigation, the boost specification seemed to be met based on performance. This meant the clock reporting had an issue. An alternative was found by relying on CPU clock counters instead of the reported clock ratio. An added benefit is that this method reflects all frequency changes during the measurement period instead of reporting time-discrete readings. This includes clock gating, clock stretching and throttling. Using this new method returned results much closer to the expected values and is used for frequency reporting in this article.

Further information: https://www.hwinfo.com/forum/threads...te-clock.5958/


Method

Any benchmark results are the average of three runs. In the single threaded tests, the thread affinity for the benchmark was manually set to the highest ranked core. HWInfo 6.14 was used to record the monitoring information during the run. The average frequency was measured using the “Effective Clock” item. The average power was measured directly from the VRM controller and reports the CPU input power.

Results and Analysis


Stock Performance

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...erformance.png

In the single-threaded test, the clock frequency is very close to its advertised boost during the entire benchmark. When looking at the multi-threaded test the frequency is not as impressive and drops all the way to 3.4 GHz in order to stay within the default power limit. What is impressive is the highest temperature reported during this test, highlighting significant overclocking headroom through the use of soldered TIM (Thermal Interface Material).


Overclocked Performance

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...formance-1.png

Through the overclocked results we can verify that there is indeed plenty of headroom. Reaching a full 5 GHz on all 18 cores is very impressive, even considering the insane power consumption of 512 W during this benchmark. Comparing to the stock results translates in 45% more performance at 218% higher power consumption.

https://www.elmorlabs.com/wp-content...-12K-FFT-2.png

Continuing with Prime95 tests reveals which frequencies could be expected for long term overclocks. This tells a similar story of impressive frequencies at the cost of much increased power consumption. Up to 4.7 GHz when not utilizing AVX instructions is about 200 MHz higher than what could be achieved on a decent Skylake-X processor. When enabling full AVX 512-bit instructions, the frequency had to be lowered to 4.2 GHz to keep stability and prevent overheating. The high performance liquid cooling used just barely prevented the processor from throttling at just under 500 W of processor power consumption.

Original article: https://www.elmorlabs.com/index.php/...z-on-18-cores/

Priced at $250 more than a Ryzen 9 3950X , it is both overpriced and lackluster in performance in comparison to its AMD competitor. It is now a pretender in the HEDT space. In addition it is a power hog compared to the 3950X. Intel has lost all credibility in the high end of desktop computing.

vmanuelgm 12-05-2019 08:13 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28224520)




You asked which microcode I was using and I gave you the answer. You didn't mention anything about improved overclocking potential. I'll ask Asus for a BIOS.


I asked u because I knew the new version with improved performance was the MC ending in 12c, so picked it up and added it to the Encore latest Bios so that u could test it.

I use myself Omega 0802 bios modded with the latest raid and lan modules and MC60, no problems here. Neither contains troyans!!! :)

ThrashZone 12-05-2019 09:12 AM

Hi,
I looked at one of the bios mods it wasn't a .cap file so it was useless to me.

Baasha 12-05-2019 10:55 AM

I just confirmed with BHP that the CPU is expected to be in stock on Feb. 18th, 2020. :rolleyes:

So much for my X299 build. sigh...

RichKnecht 12-05-2019 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Baasha (Post 28224828)
I just confirmed with BHP that the CPU is expected to be in stock on Feb. 18th, 2020. :rolleyes:

So much for my X299 build. sigh...

FWIW, B&H doesn't seem to be "high on the list" when it comes to new PC gear. When the ASUS Omega was introduced, I bought it from Amazon months before B& H got any in stock and I was high on their wait list.

LTSMASH 12-05-2019 11:20 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keeph8n (Post 28224362)
Seems to be right now after some more testing through 3D synthetics, 50/35 is stable. 1.215Vcore and 1.2VMesh. Memory is at 4000CL16 1.45V.



This is my current 3D Benching profile, and I have done NO stress testing or burn in tests. Passing Timespy Extreme Physics though with this setup is usually harder than R15, so take that as you will.

Got it, so the goal with these clocks is to pass short-term benchmarks rather than run it 24/7 for workstation or gaming purposes. Really solid mesh and mem speeds there!

Cheers

keeph8n 12-05-2019 12:34 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by LTSMASH (Post 28224880)
Got it, so the goal with these clocks is to pass short-term benchmarks rather than run it 24/7 for workstation or gaming purposes. Really solid mesh and mem speeds there!

Cheers


Basically. I bench a ton. I haven't attempted any kind of stress testing as its not necessary in what I do.



Being that these speeds and voltages are stable with ZERO AVX offset through everything I do with 3D, including TSX which is harder than R15, means alot. I will not however claim these are daily stable speeds as I haven't tested it that way.

8051 12-05-2019 01:01 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keeph8n (Post 28224362)
Seems to be right now after some more testing through 3D synthetics, 50/35 is stable. 1.215Vcore and 1.2VMesh. Memory is at 4000CL16 1.45V.

This is my current 3D Benching profile, and I have done NO stress testing or burn in tests. Passing Timespy Extreme Physics though with this setup is usually harder than R15, so take that as you will.

Is it commonplace for LGA 2066 CPU's to be able to reach 4000Mhz. on all 4 memory channels?

vmanuelgm 12-05-2019 01:22 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28224656)
Hi,
I looked at one of the bios mods it wasn't a .cap file so it was useless to me.


U mean the one I linked???

Its the Encore cap file bios.

ThrashZone 12-06-2019 04:08 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by vmanuelgm (Post 28225080)
U mean the one I linked???

Its the Encore cap file bios.

Hi,
No the apex modded bios on rog forum.
5c higher tj max is not a big deal.

Nizzen 12-06-2019 04:45 AM

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Originally Posted by 8051 (Post 28225046)
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Originally Posted by keeph8n (Post 28224362)
Seems to be right now after some more testing through 3D synthetics, 50/35 is stable. 1.215Vcore and 1.2VMesh. Memory is at 4000CL16 1.45V.

This is my current 3D Benching profile, and I have done NO stress testing or burn in tests. Passing Timespy Extreme Physics though with this setup is usually harder than R15, so take that as you will.

Is it commonplace for LGA 2066 CPU's to be able to reach 4000Mhz. on all 4 memory channels?

Yes, atleast on all high end Asus x299 boards 🙂
Apex, rampage extreme, etc

ThrashZone 12-06-2019 04:57 AM

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Originally Posted by 8051 (Post 28225046)
Is it commonplace for LGA 2066 CPU's to be able to reach 4000Mhz. on all 4 memory channels?

Hi,
Depends on the memory board doesn't really matter that much

Even a cheapo 250.us tuf mark 2 can do 4kMHz ram if the memory is good b-die got one my self

https://benzhaomin.github.io/bdiefinder/

vmanuelgm 12-06-2019 05:15 AM

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Originally Posted by ThrashZone (Post 28225904)
Hi,
No the apex modded bios on rog forum.
5c higher tj max is not a big deal.


All the latest microcodes since 4D have that higher TJMax and idle 5 degrees increase which doesn't limit max OC. I was testing MC49, the one with lower temps and TJMax, and is very buggy, specially speaking of avx512 loads.

Furthermore if u use a microcode below 5E in current Windows 10 versions, the OS will override it with 5E. U have to erase the MCUpdate file in system32 after taking ownership, avoiding SFC /scannow. After every important Windows Update u'll have to erase it again.

Regarding to CAP extension, u can change it yourself enabling the files extension view under Windows, as long as the bios file is not corrupted.

ThrashZone 12-06-2019 06:16 AM

Hi,
It's all good.

jincuteguy 12-06-2019 08:27 AM

Anyone knows where I can get a 10980XE right now? Can't find it anywhere

NBrock 12-06-2019 08:45 AM

Best bet would be to check local Microcenter. The one by me had one in stock, but they didn't list it on their site. One of the guys there said they don't list them until there is more stock floating around. They also had a few of the new TR chips in stock.

8051 12-07-2019 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by NBrock (Post 28226240)
Best bet would be to check local Microcenter. The one by me had one in stock, but they didn't list it on their site. One of the guys there said they don't list them until there is more stock floating around. They also had a few of the new TR chips in stock.

Microcenter is da bomb for CPU's. I've bought my last 5 CPU's from them (LGA 775 to Coffee Lake).

Baasha 12-07-2019 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by jincuteguy (Post 28226198)
Anyone knows where I can get a 10980XE right now? Can't find it anywhere

LOL.. welcome to two weeks ago.

The CPU is not going to be in stock until mid-Feb 2020.

elmor 12-08-2019 01:25 AM

The word on this new microcode update is just that it fixes a misreported flag on retail parts which may prevent voltage control in some software. Voltage control still worked, but the CPU would report that it wasn't supported if one checked capabilities. My chip is a QS and thus not affected. It would be very noticeable if voltage control didn't work.

tistou77 12-15-2019 07:12 AM

Thanks so much for this excellent test

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Originally Posted by elmor (Post 28219508)
Don't put too much weight on the VRM temps, I don't have any heatsink on the board. Only a 120 mm fan on it.

I wanted to replace my R6E (VRM watercooled) with the Encore.
I had seen that the VRMs of the Encore heated as much as those of the R6E while being watercooled and seeing your temperatures of the VRMs, I was afraid :D

About the 10980XE, do you think it's worth replacing my 7980XE (delided) which I find very good?
4600mhz at 1.14v (AVX -3 and -6), Cache 3100 at 1.05v and does not heat (~65° under Realbench, Aida64, etc... on the hottest core)

I feel like the 10980XE is getting very hot, right ?

Turtle Rig 12-15-2019 08:15 AM

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Originally Posted by tistou77 (Post 28238654)
Thanks so much for this excellent test



I wanted to replace my R6E (VRM watercooled) with the Encore.
I had seen that the VRMs of the Encore heated as much as those of the R6E while being watercooled and seeing your temperatures of the VRMs, I was afraid :D

About the 10980XE, do you think it's worth replacing my 7980XE (delided) which I find very good?
4600mhz at 1.14v (AVX -3 and -6), Cache 3100 at 1.05v and does not heat (~65° under Realbench, Aida64, etc... on the hottest core)

I feel like the 10980XE is getting very hot, right ?


Heck no, it would be a waste of money. 9980XE is based of off the 7980XE in which the 10980XE is like a refresh. soldered TIM so no need to delid. In benchmarks your CPU is pretty much same as a 9980XE or a 10980XE in performance benchmarks. Stick with what you have its a monster you have now. 10980XE is based off 2017 ***** and 2018 9980XE .... On paper they are pretty much the same except since this is a x299x it has some features its cousin 7980XE and other cousin 9980XE. Save your money for a new video card or SSD or something.

Wizzzard 12-15-2019 08:21 AM

It is not "X299X"... that a gigabyte name that was used prematurely.

It's X299. It's a refresh, and based on the latest 14nm "+"... basically it's one more + than the prior. It's also shown to have slightly better silicon than the 9980XE and 7980XE based on the small sample size we've seen.


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