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Baasha 12-12-2019 06:36 PM

[The Verge] Microsoft’s next Xbox is Xbox Series X, coming holiday 2020
 
And.... there it is, the Xbox Series X coming Holiday 2020.

Quote:

The Xbox Series X will include a custom-designed CPU based on AMD’s Zen 2 and Radeon RDNA architecture. Microsoft is also using an SSD on Xbox Series X, which promises to boost load times. Xbox Series X will also support 8K gaming, frame rates of up to 120 fps in games, ray tracing, and variable refresh rate support.
https://cdn.vox-cdn.com/thumbor/SI1w...boxseriesx.jpg

Source: https://www.theverge.com/2019/12/12/...t-xbox-console

skupples 12-12-2019 06:43 PM

having HDMI 2.1 and using it are two different things, but I do fully expect AAA titles to set a mark of 4K60+ from day one.

Funny thing is, i'm pretty sure the HDMI 2.1 port was used for bragging rights and marketing reasons more so than anything else. The good news is, we'll finally start getting some quality HDMI 2.1 monitors thanks to this. :D :D :D

i was expecting the "pro" controller to become the modern standard :( I hope that still happens.

I'm trying really hard to not comment on the design. It looks identical to my WAP. -.-

the best news in all of this is MS, Sony, & AMD forcing NV off its duff. The chip that drops after the consoles will be the best jump we've seen since keplar >> maxwell.

Kpjoslee 12-12-2019 07:09 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28235532)

the best news in all of this is MS, Sony, & AMD forcing NV off its duff.

I heard the same thing in 2013.

skupples 12-12-2019 07:19 PM

right, n we got the first titan last time around.


however, the last generation had zero hardware innovation or standards push. putting HDMI 2.1 on a $500-$800 box means it'll start showing up on mid to top range GPUs.

Paradigm Shifter 12-12-2019 08:07 PM

That looks like a Silverstone or Lian-Li mini-ITX case... I know it isn't, but... "design cues from"?

skupples 12-12-2019 08:09 PM

and that case takes its designs from square trash can WAPs n stuff, which got the idea from apple, so really we can just blame it all on apple.

corporations with identity crisis is cute. Google & MS both wish they were Apple.

Zam15 12-12-2019 09:32 PM

Almost thought they announced a new Gamecube....

Omega X 12-12-2019 09:39 PM

This is being clowned to death on Twitter. A lot of people are calling it a PC now.

mohit9206 12-12-2019 10:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Omega X (Post 28235644)
This is being clowned to death on Twitter. A lot of people are calling it a PC now.

Isn't that a good thing?

UltraMega 12-13-2019 01:07 AM


Senua looks amazing in this. Her character model is insane. The mo-cap must be pretty advanced as well.

randomizer 12-13-2019 02:53 AM

So for us non-Americans, when is "Holiday"?

Awsan 12-13-2019 03:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by randomizer (Post 28235832)
So for us non-Americans, when is "Holiday"?

October??? Nov-Dec probably more towards the Dec part.

Booty Warrior 12-13-2019 05:12 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UltraMega (Post 28235790)
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qJWI4bkD9ZM

Senua looks amazing in this. Her character model is insane. The mo-cap must be pretty advanced as well.

I still haven't picked my jaw up off the ground. I know it's only an "in-engine" tech demo, but still... if the real game looks anywhere near that good... damn!

skupples 12-13-2019 05:18 AM

well, twitter is dumb. this is the 2nd gen PC based console. so nothing new there.
Quote:

Originally Posted by mohit9206 (Post 28235698)
Isn't that a good thing?

its twitter. One person expresses a thought that 10,000 other people then absorb & parrot. It's par for the course. Every user could win $10k & they'd clown on it not being $10,001. It's for all intents and purposes the voice of lust, greed, & envy. Unless you dig real hard to find something wholesome, which the system doesn't favor due to it generating less clicks.

ThrashZone 12-13-2019 05:23 AM

Hi,
Yeah I don't get the popularity of twits are us usage
Fake news aside :p

7850K 12-13-2019 07:42 AM

the name is just as bad as "xbox one" was when it was originally annouced. The internal project names have been way better.

keikei 12-13-2019 08:25 AM

Someone actually approved this?! Best meme of 2020. Thanks M$. LMAO.

skupples 12-13-2019 08:27 AM

the "my xbox caught fire" threads will be glorious. Photos of the top half melted down around the bottom half

keikei 12-13-2019 08:38 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28236056)
the "my xbox caught fire" threads will be glorious. Photos of the top half melted down around the bottom half


Its looks like a portable grill. Console gets hot enough, just place a few slabs of meat on top and you got dinner. At least the Cube had some character. This looks like a highschool kid did there year long project the nite before. Base on the name, I suspect there will be more than one version. M$ went with pure functionality with this design. Easy future upgradeability.

JackCY 12-13-2019 09:18 AM

Consoles have been a custom low end PC for quite some time now.
Sony ditched their custom CPU/GPU too.
They all just go and buy a low end custom PC from AMD.

bucdan 12-13-2019 09:26 AM

So, looks like 2K120 will be a reality for competitive games on console finally, limited by the high end TV refresh rates. Going to assume 4K60 for everything else, then "Dynamic 8K" for those that want to push boundaries and suffer 20-30 fps, if even at all, since the pixel count is ridiculously high.

skupples 12-13-2019 09:33 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keikei (Post 28236074)
Its looks like a portable grill. Console gets hot enough, just place a few slabs of meat on top and you got dinner. At least the Cube had some character. This looks like a highschool kid did there year long project the nite before. Base on the name, I suspect there will be more than one version. M$ went with pure functionality with this design. Easy future upgradeability.

there will definitely be at least two SKUs, that's for sure.

Quote:

Originally Posted by bucdan (Post 28236122)
So, looks like 2K120 will be a reality for competitive games on console finally, limited by the high end TV refresh rates. Going to assume 4K60 for everything else, then "Dynamic 8K" for those that want to push boundaries and suffer 20-30 fps, if even at all, since the pixel count is ridiculously high.

8k pre-rendered cut scenes & stuff. & yep, I believe you're correct. It's hilarious how butt hurt folks are over on reddit & twitter based on the "4x more power" statement. Seems they fail to realize that this is a win for PC gaming, since we're always in the shadow of the consoles.

aDyerSituation 12-13-2019 09:41 AM

I like the way it looks tbh

won't buy one now that Halo is on PC but I like it.

writer21 12-13-2019 09:46 AM

Been telling my brother for years the new consoles will be like smart phones but pc's. They going to make 3-5 years and basically if you want the best performance and picture quality you will have to upgrade. Better off just building a pc. Cheaper in the long run and you have more control. I say this also because the prices will go higher at some point.

Shawnb99 12-13-2019 09:52 AM

It’s an ugly box. Surely they could of come up with something better than that.

BigMack70 12-13-2019 10:15 AM

I don't understand the hate on the design. This is obviously a function over form approach from them, and it surprises me on a site like this to see some people criticizing that.

The 8k and 120fps marketing lines are obnoxious, but obnoxious misleading marketing is par for the course when people talk console hardware capabilities.

deafboy 12-13-2019 10:41 AM

I like it....

skupples 12-13-2019 10:52 AM

surprises you that PC enthusiasts are trashing a console? haaaa

WannaBeOCer 12-13-2019 10:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28236208)
surprises you that PC enthusiasts are trashing a console? haaaa

I'm not sure why people are, it has the fastest AMD GPU in it.

paulerxx 12-13-2019 11:01 AM

I actually like nearly every aspect of this console, y'all are just negative haters!! lol


Zen 2 CPU? Nice.

RDNA 2.0 with DXR? Nice.

4k? Nice.

The box design? I personally like it but I can understand why one wouldn't.

I believe this will be a quality buy for console users...But considering this is OCN, just build yourself a PC.


RDNA 2.0 is super interesting imo. 14teraflops on a console is NUTS. a 5700XT is what...9-10 teraflops?

EDIT: a 2080ti is only 13 tflops....This GPU is a BEAST.

Also, Xbox Series X is an awful name.

keikei 12-13-2019 11:10 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer (Post 28236216)
I'm not sure why people are, it has the fastest AMD GPU in it.


True, regarding specs. I expect this box to be $500-600.

skupples 12-13-2019 11:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer (Post 28236216)
I'm not sure why people are, it has the fastest AMD GPU in it.

it causes ego pain.

really though, it should be looked at as the first decent bump in gaming performance in a decade ;)

Quote:

Originally Posted by keikei (Post 28236244)
True, regarding specs. I expect this box to be $500-600.

base unit will be $600. top of the line SKU closer to $1,000. Just look at them like screenless gaming laptops. this should sound familiar at this point.

keikei 12-13-2019 11:17 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28236248)
it causes ego pain.

really though, it should be looked at as the first decent bump in gaming performance in a decade ;)



base unit will be $600. top of the line SKU closer to $1,000. Just look at them like screenless gaming laptops. this should sound familiar at this point.


Dem some wealthy console peasants. :P

skupples 12-13-2019 11:29 AM

last gen was $500 at release right? Makes sense that'll be $100 more almost 10 years later. N then the OP model with 1TB sammy SSD and 5700XT speed GPU = $800 model.

UltraMega 12-13-2019 11:45 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28236248)

base unit will be $600. top of the line SKU closer to $1,000. Just look at them like screenless gaming laptops. this should sound familiar at this point.

This will definitely not be the case. I don't expect to see prices any higher than $600.


The design is great to me. Less and less people have big entertainment centers with TV's all being flat screens. Making the console small so that it can fit in more places is smart. If you don't like the vertical look, just put it on its side.

8k @30fps is entirely doable with a gpu like this. If a 1070. (6tf gpu) can do 4k 60 in some games, a gpu twice as powerful can do 8k @30 in that same game. I expect to see a lot of games from the current gen or previous gens run in 8k on an Xbox... X... Series. Ok the name is dumb.

Rei86 12-13-2019 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28235532)
having HDMI 2.1 and using it are two different things, but I do fully expect AAA titles to set a mark of 4K60+ from day one.

Can't even do 1080p60 and you're gonna tell me you're gonna do [email protected]/120... brah no.
I can't stand it when they lie like that.

I wish they would come out and say
"AND NOW WE ARE COMMITTED that ALL games on Platform XYZ will run at minimum of 1080p60"
I would actually believe them.

Also MS and especially Sony learned that pricing a console above 500 mark = disaster.

BigMack70 12-13-2019 12:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28236248)
it causes ego pain.

really though, it should be looked at as the first decent bump in gaming performance in a decade ;)



base unit will be $600. top of the line SKU closer to $1,000. Just look at them like screenless gaming laptops. this should sound familiar at this point.

I can't see them releasing any unit above $600. People riot when they have to pay more than $300-400 for consoles. This forum is not the target audience even for the high end machines. We are all comfortable spending much more on tech than the average user they are targeting.

UltraMega 12-13-2019 12:20 PM

I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about the Senua trailer. As far as I know it's the first footage of anything in real time from the next gen.

paulerxx 12-13-2019 12:20 PM

I keep seeing between 12-14Tflops for the GPU, which like I said before...Is very high, a 2080ti is around 13-14Tflops.



Holy smokes that's looking good...All in-engine apparently.

keikei 12-13-2019 12:24 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UltraMega (Post 28236344)
I'm surprised there isn't more discussion about the Senua trailer. As far as I know it's the first footage of anything in real time from the next gen.


I suspect the same for PS5, but higher frames:




Also:



WannaBeOCer 12-13-2019 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulerxx (Post 28236346)
I keep seeing between 12-14Tflops for the GPU, which like I said before...Is very high, a 2080ti is around 13-14Tflops.

Holy smokes that's looking good...All in-engine apparently.

TFlops doesn't reflect gaming performance. If it did RX Vega and the Radeon VII would of destroyed their counterparts.

skupples 12-13-2019 12:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rei86 (Post 28236334)
Can't even do 1080p60 and you're gonna tell me you're gonna do [email protected]/120... brah no.
I can't stand it when they lie like that.

I wish they would come out and say
"AND NOW WE ARE COMMITTED that ALL games on Platform XYZ will run at minimum of 1080p60"
I would actually believe them.

Also MS and especially Sony learned that pricing a console above 500 mark = disaster.

you misread something.

The box has an HDMI 2.1 port. FPS and resolution have nothing to do with it. It's about what the port is capable of.

also, if you think it won't be doing 1080p60 then you're delusional. AAAs will all release with 4K60 target. They'll have the power ~5700 currently has, with all the benefit of custom API.

so people rioted over XB1X's release? Because it was well over $400. The market is changing, on both ends, high and low. two SKUs already exist on the current gen, so expecting otherwise this time around is a bit strange. of course the #s are all guesses, but there will definitely be a base model and OP model for a couple hundred more.

either way - we're getting hdmi 2.1 on our GPUs next time around because consoles are forcing the hand.

paulerxx 12-13-2019 01:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by WannaBeOCer (Post 28236398)
TFlops doesn't reflect gaming performance. If it did RX Vega and the Radeon VII would of destroyed their counterparts.

While you are correct, it is a way to get a rough estimate of what sort of performance we will be getting.
Comparing a 5700XT (RDNA 1.0/9.7tflops) vs Xbox Series X's GPU (RDNA 2.0/ 12-14tflops) I think is a fair comparison.


This GPU + console optimization magic + likely far superior DXR tech > 2080 Ti. Quote me.

Also, Halo Infinite is also releasing next Holiday season...Should we expect an 'enhanced' version at launch?

skupples 12-13-2019 01:24 PM

woah now, get outta here with that logic. 2080ti trumps all, cuz reasons. APIs be damned!

honestly, what i really want from M$ is a genuine gaming mode in their operating system, but that'll never happen cuz xbox... unless the two eventually merge, which would be cool.

paulerxx 12-13-2019 01:44 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28236458)
woah now, get outta here with that logic. 2080ti trumps all, cuz reasons. APIs be damned!

honestly, what i really want from M$ is a genuine gaming mode in their operating system, but that'll never happen cuz xbox... unless the two eventually merge, which would be cool.

At the moment Windows 10 has many Xbox features and even a "gaming mode", which I never use.
Xbox App, Xbox Game Pass, etc all allow you to connect to your Xbox Live buddies, and share content, a few games even allow cross play between console and PC players. Windows and Xbox are extremely close currently, it's only getting better too man.


Window's game mode: "The Game Mode prevents system background activities such as Windows updates or notifications from apps during game play, all to offer a more consistent gaming experience. In this guide, we explain what Game Mode is, and what it can do for gamers:"

More information here:
https://www.digitalcitizen.life/game-mode-windows

WannaBeOCer 12-13-2019 01:47 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulerxx (Post 28236430)
While you are correct, it is a way to get a rough estimate of what sort of performance we will be getting.
Comparing a 5700XT (RDNA 1.0/9.7tflops) vs Xbox Series X's GPU (RDNA 2.0/ 12-14tflops) I think is a fair comparison.


This GPU + console optimization magic + likely far superior DXR tech > 2080 Ti. Quote me.

Also, Halo Infinite is also releasing next Holiday season...Should we expect an 'enhanced' version at launch?

Optimizations? You mean dynamic resolution scaling. It won't have superior BVH accelerating hardware just like the HD 6000 series didn't have superior tessellation performance compared to the GTX 400 series. nVidia has been working on BVH acceleration for over a decade while AMD just started taking it seriously in 2016.

UltraMega 12-13-2019 01:52 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by keikei (Post 28236352)

IDK why u quoted me with some PS4 game footage when all I said was Senua 2 seems to be the first next gen real time game footage.

Rei86 12-13-2019 01:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28236402)
you misread something.

The box has an HDMI 2.1 port. FPS and resolution have nothing to do with it. It's about what the port is capable of.

also, if you think it won't be doing 1080p60 then you're delusional. AAAs will all release with 4K60 target. They'll have the power ~5700 currently has, with all the benefit of custom API.

so people rioted over XB1X's release? Because it was well over $400. The market is changing, on both ends, high and low. two SKUs already exist on the current gen, so expecting otherwise this time around is a bit strange. of course the #s are all guesses, but there will definitely be a base model and OP model for a couple hundred more.

either way - we're getting hdmi 2.1 on our GPUs next time around because consoles are forcing the hand.

No I didn't misread anything.
I was commenting about their misleading marketing and hype at every console generation. You can tout all about hardware and show us "in game" footage but I highly doubt we'll see [email protected] in AAA titles as a norm for the 1st few years.

And yeah, history has taught console manufactures that buyers are only willing to spend a certain amount. You can come at above the 500 dollar mark, but I highly doubt you'll get the sales numbers.

skupples 12-13-2019 03:11 PM

definitely right, and yet all that actually matters is hdmi 2.1 :D you can't overhype the fact that's happening. anyone smart realizes they've just listed those specs as the capabilities. par for the course. they'll capture the money people would otherwise spend upgrading via sku#2, how far that goes, we're yet to see. how many models of Xbox1 ended up releasing? 3? now two models, standard and pro?

DNMock 12-13-2019 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulerxx (Post 28236226)
I actually like nearly every aspect of this console, y'all are just negative haters!! lol


Zen 2 CPU? Nice.

RDNA 2.0 with DXR? Nice.

4k? Nice.

The box design? I personally like it but I can understand why one wouldn't.

I believe this will be a quality buy for console users...But considering this is OCN, just build yourself a PC.


RDNA 2.0 is super interesting imo. 14teraflops on a console is NUTS. a 5700XT is what...9-10 teraflops?

EDIT: a 2080ti is only 13 tflops....This GPU is a BEAST.

Also, Xbox Series X is an awful name.

Tflops is a useless metric as far as gaming is concerned. That said, consoles besting 2+ year old flagships isn't that outlandish of an idea. Amphere and big Navi will smash it in gaming due to nothing more than having such a larger power budget so PC folks shouldn't worry about system envy.

Absolutely expect 1080p 60 fps for games that utilize a lot of raytracing, 2k 120 for competitive games, and 4k 60 for rpg type games based on those specs.



Biggest game changer I see is a good SSD instead of a trash HDD.

UltraMega 12-13-2019 05:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Rei86 (Post 28236530)
No I didn't misread anything.
I was commenting about their misleading marketing and hype at every console generation. You can tout all about hardware and show us "in game" footage but I highly doubt we'll see [email protected] in AAA titles as a norm for the 1st few years.

And yeah, history has taught console manufactures that buyers are only willing to spend a certain amount. You can come at above the 500 dollar mark, but I highly doubt you'll get the sales numbers.

You're clearly not well informed in terms of what kind of GPU power is needed to do 4k @60. The next consoles will easily hit that mark in AAA games. Ray tracing could be a variable in that for sure, but anything without Ray tracing is going to have zero issues hitting 4k 60.

degenn 12-13-2019 06:11 PM

8K? :rolleyes:

skupples 12-13-2019 06:14 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by degenn (Post 28236824)
8K? :rolleyes:

right? they should'a gone for the full 10k HDMI 2.1 is capable of! it divides by 2, just not 4 :(

Quote:

Originally Posted by UltraMega (Post 28236806)
You're clearly not well informed in terms of what kind of GPU power is needed to do 4k @60. The next consoles will easily hit that mark in AAA games. Ray tracing could be a variable in that for sure, but anything without Ray tracing is going to have zero issues hitting 4k 60.

yeap. just turn a few things down, and its like talking about 1080p60 back on fermi :P

Imouto 12-13-2019 06:20 PM

The equal PC counterpart isn't nearly as efficient as the console part. An HD 7870 couldn't even dream about what the original PS4 did. The XBONE X is similar in processing power to a RX 580/90 and it handles 4K fairly well. The RX 5700 XT almost doubles the performance of a RX 580/90 with 50% more processing power.

The GPU in the next XBOX is going to be way more powerful than a RX 5700 XT. It should handle [email protected] FPS with ease.

Shawnb99 12-13-2019 06:39 PM

[email protected] for consoles is not the same as [email protected] Ultra settings on PC.

paulerxx 12-13-2019 06:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Shawnb99 (Post 28236850)
[email protected] for consoles is not the same as [email protected] Ultra settings on PC.

I think we're all aware of this lol...Only a small % of people are playing ultra settings on PC at 4k with 60fps...Like, at all.

skupples 12-13-2019 07:04 PM

yeah idk, all i'm gonna say is... I stepped down to 3440x1440p120 after upgrading to the 2080ti. (would not have happened if I had one of those rare 4K120 screens)

i'll go back to 4K in 2 years time. I'm waiting on what drops after the new consoles, not just before. :P

Chargeit 12-13-2019 08:16 PM

Man that kind of sucks. Wouldn't be able to physically fit that into my setup. The X fits nicely, with room to spare but that pretty much needs a table. Already had to put my switch on my sub because it's top loaded.

SwitchFX 12-13-2019 08:54 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by UltraMega (Post 28236806)
You're clearly not well informed in terms of what kind of GPU power is needed to do 4k @60. The next consoles will easily hit that mark in AAA games. Ray tracing could be a variable in that for sure, but anything without Ray tracing is going to have zero issues hitting 4k 60.

You're right. Because resolution isn't linked to quality. You can run low settings at 4K and you can run the equivalent of PC ultra at 4K.

ILoveHighDPI 12-13-2019 09:02 PM

I've been playing around with 8K rendering since the 980Ti. My Vega 64 can run most games at 5K resolution just fine as long as you specifically account for screen space heavy effects. With VRR going mainstream it's much more viable when you don't require a locked framerate target.

Had Nvidia not decided to shoot their own legs off with RTX we'd certainly have some viable 8K graphics cards on the market, and if 8K60 doesn't tickle your fancy then 4K240fps certainly should.
Of course since we're just barely getting 4K120fps displays on the market I guess it'll be another 5-10 years until anything better becomes commonly available.

It's like the 2013 Catleap situation (1440p120fps) all over again, anyone who owns a bleeding edge display knows that current hardware is capable of so much more.

Personally I still see 8K120fps as the ideal for most game types, CPU cycles will always be in much greater demand than GPU, but I'm also convinced Checkerboard rendering is a good idea now so you should only need 2X the power over what is currently accepted as "4K Capable" hardware.

On next-gen consoles 8K60 in Rocket League should be a given.

ILoveHighDPI 12-13-2019 09:26 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by BigMack70 (Post 28236174)
I don't understand the hate on the design. This is obviously a function over form approach from them, and it surprises me on a site like this to see some people criticizing that.

The 8k and 120fps marketing lines are obnoxious, but obnoxious misleading marketing is par for the course when people talk console hardware capabilities.

The case is undoubtedly going to provide some very quite and effective cooling. It still amazes me how silent the Xbox One X is sitting beside my PC. Unless you're a master of case acoustics it will be extremely difficult to build a PC that hits the same power to noise ratio.

As far as video output I'd bet Halo Infinite will run 4K120fps at launch (probably dynamic, but still it'll hit 4K a lot of the time), with new games still being made to run on the 2013 Xbox One they'll have so much CPU headroom the engine programmers will be screaming bloody murder if they artificially GPU bottleneck it with 4K60. I just can't imagine Halo not hitting 120fps. LG OLED owners will be Jumping for joy.

8051 12-13-2019 11:22 PM

I'd be interested in seeing the kind of cooling solution they're going to use to dissipate all that heat. Will they be using the 8c/16t Ryzen 2 parts?

Lexi is Dumb 12-14-2019 03:16 AM

I think itll actually look pretty good when you lay it vertically inside the display unit. And shut the cupboard door.

Joking aside I do like the design.. it seems much better suited to the way I hide consoles behind my secondary monitor which sits sort of diagonally on my desk.

Defoler 12-14-2019 04:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by paulerxx (Post 28236226)
I actually like nearly every aspect of this console, y'all are just negative haters!! lol


Zen 2 CPU? Nice.

RDNA 2.0 with DXR? Nice.

4k? Nice.

The box design? I personally like it but I can understand why one wouldn't.

I believe this will be a quality buy for console users...But considering this is OCN, just build yourself a PC.


RDNA 2.0 is super interesting imo. 14teraflops on a console is NUTS. a 5700XT is what...9-10 teraflops?

EDIT: a 2080ti is only 13 tflops....This GPU is a BEAST.

Also, Xbox Series X is an awful name.

It state about 12 teraflops, not 14.
That will make a bit bigger 5700xt. Around the 2080 super performance. It could also be a higher binned 5700xt, so AMD can save a lot of money if that is the case.
So by the time it comes out, nvidia will bring a 16-17 teraflop top end on 7nm.

Chargeit 12-14-2019 06:33 AM

Just noticed the D-Pad on the controller looks terrible. Hopefully that's just a stand in rendering and they don't go backwards on their D-Pad design.

Pendulum 12-14-2019 08:27 AM

While the memes are running rampant on the design I really like it. While I have no intention on purchasing an Xbox I hope it does well for the sake of our ports.

Like others have said 12 teraflops is plenty for a console to reach 4K60, they'll cut a few corners but it'll still be a significant improvement. I'm curious what will actually run at 8K, Pong, Frogger?

skupples 12-14-2019 08:35 AM

I was hoping the pro controller would become standard. Too pricey atm, but I love the extra buttons.

keikei 12-14-2019 10:03 AM

This might be the baby version. https://www.gamespot.com/articles/xb.../1100-6472190/

Quote:

"Obviously," Spencer said, "in the name 'Series X', it gives us freedom to do other things with that name so that we can create descriptors when we need to."

paulerxx 12-14-2019 10:53 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Defoler (Post 28237216)
It state about 12 teraflops, not 14.
That will make a bit bigger 5700xt. Around the 2080 super performance. It could also be a higher binned 5700xt, so AMD can save a lot of money if that is the case.
So by the time it comes out, nvidia will bring a 16-17 teraflop top end on 7nm.

I read 14tflops in a few articles before yesterday, yea Nvidia should have something a lot better next year...I'm hoping AMD does too though lol, big RDNA 2.0 should be interesting with DXR built in.

Do you think Big Navi has been delayed until they can implement some form of DXR tech?

BigMack70 12-14-2019 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI (Post 28236998)
The case is undoubtedly going to provide some very quite and effective cooling. It still amazes me how silent the Xbox One X is sitting beside my PC. Unless you're a master of case acoustics it will be extremely difficult to build a PC that hits the same power to noise ratio.

As far as video output I'd bet Halo Infinite will run 4K120fps at launch (probably dynamic, but still it'll hit 4K a lot of the time), with new games still being made to run on the 2013 Xbox One they'll have so much CPU headroom the engine programmers will be screaming bloody murder if they artificially GPU bottleneck it with 4K60. I just can't imagine Halo not hitting 120fps. LG OLED owners will be Jumping for joy.

There's no way this thing will power 4k 120fps in a game like halo infinite. I really doubt they will target 120fps over 60.

120fps is a transformative upgrade for a mouse, but far less significant for a controller.

Kpjoslee 12-14-2019 12:18 PM

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Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI (Post 28236998)
The case is undoubtedly going to provide some very quite and effective cooling. It still amazes me how silent the Xbox One X is sitting beside my PC. Unless you're a master of case acoustics it will be extremely difficult to build a PC that hits the same power to noise ratio.

As far as video output I'd bet Halo Infinite will run 4K120fps at launch (probably dynamic, but still it'll hit 4K a lot of the time), with new games still being made to run on the 2013 Xbox One they'll have so much CPU headroom the engine programmers will be screaming bloody murder if they artificially GPU bottleneck it with 4K60. I just can't imagine Halo not hitting 120fps. LG OLED owners will be Jumping for joy.

Be prepared to be disappointed if that is what you expect from next generation consoles.

rluker5 12-14-2019 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpjoslee (Post 28237764)
Be prepared to be disappointed if that is what you expect from next generation consoles.

You make that sound like it is easy. Disappointment can be a sneaky bugger.

skupples 12-14-2019 01:23 PM

they're gonna give you a choice between 4k60 and 1080p120, maybe some options in between. also remember, these new boxes have KB+M support baked in from the get go.

they're screenless gaming laptops with custom OS at this point.

The Pook 12-14-2019 04:34 PM

ah yes, just slide it in the trash can shaped hole in your entertainment center where your trash can Mac used to be

brilliant


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Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28237838)
they're screenless gaming laptops with custom OS at this point.


they're a laptop without a monitor or a keyboard or a mouse or a battery ... or it's a computer, lol

Chargeit 12-14-2019 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 28238052)
ah yes, just slide it in the trash can shaped hole in your entertainment center where your trash can Mac used to be

brilliant


Going to need a warning on it?

TFL Replica 12-14-2019 06:39 PM

They just can't stick with a naming scheme can they?

skupples 12-14-2019 08:05 PM

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Originally Posted by The Pook (Post 28238052)
ah yes, just slide it in the trash can shaped hole in your entertainment center where your trash can Mac used to be

brilliant





they're a laptop without a monitor or a keyboard or a mouse or a battery ... or it's a computer, lol

again, like back on 360 and ps2. KB+M support comes stock. but yes, all those other pennies pinched = 5800XT in your xbox ;)

rluker5 12-14-2019 10:06 PM

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Originally Posted by TFL Replica (Post 28238178)
They just can't stick with a naming scheme can they?

I don't think they liked xbone, probably didn't want to hear xbone2 so went with something that I'm guessing at worst will be called xboxers. Unless there is some abbreviation I'm missing.

I wonder if the airflow will be up? You could have some floaties, an inflatable or maybe a nacho warmer.
The smaller footprint will be nice though. Most people don't have entertainment centers anymore.

ILoveHighDPI 12-14-2019 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Kpjoslee (Post 28237764)
Be prepared to be disappointed if that is what you expect from next generation consoles.

IPC alone would get them to 120fps going from Jaguar to Ryzen, but they're nearly doubling clocks too. Halo on Series X could target 240fps if they wanted, but that market is really just in its infancy, 120fps is about to go mainstream.

ILoveHighDPI 12-14-2019 10:25 PM

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Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28237476)
I was hoping the pro controller would become standard. Too pricey atm, but I love the extra buttons.

Unless I missed something we haven't seen the backside yet.
Adding two paddles to the new default controller would make perfect sense at this point.

Kpjoslee 12-14-2019 11:40 PM

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Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI (Post 28238322)
IPC alone would get them to 120fps going from Jaguar to Ryzen, but they're nearly doubling clocks too. Halo on Series X could target 240fps if they wanted, but that market is really just in its infancy, 120fps is about to go mainstream.

I still expect majority of developers targeting 30fps for more IQ and physics. First party titles may go 60fps, but I don't expect them to target above it. They are not going to do >120fps while retaining the IQ of previous generation.

paulerxx 12-15-2019 02:28 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpjoslee (Post 28238344)
I still expect majority of developers targeting 30fps for more IQ and physics. First party titles may go 60fps, but I don't expect them to target above it. They are not going to do >120fps while retaining the IQ of previous generation.


He's definitely correct, but as are you. I also believe most games will push graphic fidelity over higher frame rates...But what we've been seeing with Xbox X and PS4 Pro is two modes I think even more in certain cases, a performance mode and enhanced graphics mode. Maybe in the future we will be seeing something like a 30fps+4k vs 120fps+1080p/1440p option, or whatever they can get out of the system in the most optimized way possible.

One thing I know for sure is this...Consoles are getting closer and closer in terms of PC gaming. They are finally getting more options to play the games the way they want them to be played, which is subjective for some...Some want the best graphics, and I don't care about frame rate. Others, could care less about graphics and want the best performance. It's about effin' time they're giving us the option to decide for ourselves in the console realm.

BigMack70 12-15-2019 05:26 AM

I think a lot of you guys expecting 120fps on a console in big AAA titles are completely out of touch with reality. These machines have a very tight power and thermal budget. Their target audience almost exclusively plays with controllers. Flashy visuals always impress the general customer more than frame rate (you don't see many average gamers criticizing RDR2 for running like trash in base console hardware).

The recipe is just not there for AAA games to go for 120fps. There isn't a substantial payoff in market appeal, and the hardware just isn't capable of it without compromising graphical fidelity.

Can *you* build a PC capable of 120fps in demanding games that fits within, say, a 300W power budget under typical gaming load? I doubt it. And that's generous... I'm not sure we've ever seen a console that has close to a 300W budget... 150-200W is a much more typical load power draw. And at 200W or less, 120fps in demanding games is definitely not a thing.

skupples 12-15-2019 06:36 AM

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Originally Posted by ILoveHighDPI (Post 28238324)
Unless I missed something we haven't seen the backside yet.
Adding two paddles to the new default controller would make perfect sense at this point.

we haven't seen the backside, it's an assumption.

as to frames per parsec, they'll leave the obscene frame stuff to the PC driven e-sports world, for now. we're going to see a ton of dynamic resolution, and likely choice between 1080p high frames, or 4k meh frames.

ZealotKi11er 12-15-2019 08:04 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpjoslee (Post 28235544)
I heard the same thing in 2013.

Well in 2013-2015 AMD was going to go bankrupt. AMD is much different position now. You also Zen wich is both in PC and Consoles. A jab at Intel and Nvidia.

keikei 12-15-2019 08:39 AM

We should be seeing the next graphical leap with this gen of consoles. Poor PCMR finally getting decent ports. Yay!



skupples 12-15-2019 10:03 AM

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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er (Post 28238716)
Well in 2013-2015 AMD was going to go bankrupt. AMD is much different position now. You also Zen wich is both in PC and Consoles. A jab at Intel and Nvidia.

that was never gonna happen, n anyone who didn't buy in when they were in the single digit values cringes every time they see the ticker.

Kpjoslee 12-15-2019 11:12 AM

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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er (Post 28238716)
Well in 2013-2015 AMD was going to go bankrupt. AMD is much different position now. You also Zen wich is both in PC and Consoles. A jab at Intel and Nvidia.

Oh, I don't think it has much to do with AMD's market position. Despite having consoles fully AMD based since 2013, it didn't have much influence on how games were optimized on PC side of things. After all, All PC games are pretty much on Directx 11/12/Vulkan.

ZealotKi11er 12-15-2019 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by Kpjoslee (Post 28238950)
Oh, I don't think it has much to do with AMD's market position. Despite having consoles fully AMD based since 2013, it didn't have much influence on how games were optimized on PC side of things. After all, All PC games are pretty much on Directx 11/12/Vulkan.

Nvidia had a strong grip in PC port. Also, games with Unreal Engine just run better with Nvidia because of the engine with build around Nvidia GPUs. Now I can tell you what games run best with GCN. All the 60fps games in Consoles. COD, BF, Forza. Also, games that get optimized for GCN (PS4 exclusives) never made it to PC. Multi-plat games dont get as many optimizations. There was also the entire DX11 pullback from Nvidia. Now you see more games favoring GCN/RDNA than Pascal/Turing. Ironically going RTX means also DX12 which enhances AMDs perf.

paulerxx 12-15-2019 11:58 AM

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Originally Posted by BigMack70 (Post 28238526)
I think a lot of you guys expecting 120fps on a console in big AAA titles are completely out of touch with reality. These machines have a very tight power and thermal budget. Their target audience almost exclusively plays with controllers. Flashy visuals always impress the general customer more than frame rate (you don't see many average gamers criticizing RDR2 for running like trash in base console hardware).

The recipe is just not there for AAA games to go for 120fps. There isn't a substantial payoff in market appeal, and the hardware just isn't capable of it without compromising graphical fidelity.

Can *you* build a PC capable of 120fps in demanding games that fits within, say, a 300W power budget under typical gaming load? I doubt it. And that's generous... I'm not sure we've ever seen a console that has close to a 300W budget... 150-200W is a much more typical load power draw. And at 200W or less, 120fps in demanding games is definitely not a thing.

I think you missed the point of my post man, which was this...We'll likely have options, to decide if we want 30fps, super graphics 4k mode or 120fps 1080p, low-medium settings mode...It's totally possible in AAA games that are GPU dependent in 2019 for this to be reality.

A game like Halo Infinite, coming out around the same time as the new consoles, which already runs at 60fps ON THE BASE XBOX ONE will totally have the chance to run at 120fps + on Xbox Series X, this formula works for other games. This is console's new model, similar to cellphones. A tight echo system, that can be upgraded every so years without losing much in the process.

UltraMega 12-15-2019 01:05 PM

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Originally Posted by BigMack70 (Post 28238526)
I think a lot of you guys expecting 120fps on a console in big AAA titles are completely out of touch with reality. These machines have a very tight power and thermal budget. Their target audience almost exclusively plays with controllers.

So?

I have a 4k TV and a 144hz gaming monitor and I do way better in rocket league on the gaming monitor even though I still use a controller.

ZealotKi11er 12-15-2019 03:55 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraMega (Post 28239098)
So?

I have a 4k TV and a 144hz gaming monitor and I do way better in rocket league on the gaming monitor even though I still use a controller.

There are a lot of factors for that. Are you getting the same fps in ur gaming monitor as your 4k tv? What about the size of the monitor? You are only pointing out the delta that you think plays the role in ur better performance.

BigMack70 12-15-2019 04:34 PM

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Originally Posted by UltraMega (Post 28239098)
So?

I have a 4k TV and a 144hz gaming monitor and I do way better in rocket league on the gaming monitor even though I still use a controller.

As I said above, the jump to 120fps is not nearly as impactful on a controller as a mouse. It's a transformative upgrade for game and input control with a mouse that is very hard to ever go back from once you try it. It's a small upgrade to visual clarity and smoothness with a controller that is much more take it or leave it.

ZealotKi11er 12-15-2019 04:51 PM

How powerfull does the GPU have to be to get 120 fps. Even at 1080p you need at least 5700 and that does not happen in most games.

skupples 12-15-2019 04:57 PM

what? you can do 1080p120 just fine with much lesser hardware than 5700 series, and still have settings decently high. many of us have been 1080p120+ gaming for farking ages man. n you've been here the whole time. +60FPS gaming @ 1080p has been going on since Keplar. that's when i remember folks around here starting to get high hz 1080p and 1440p screens imported, maxwell series wiped the floor w. 1080p120

you're getting confused with 1440p120. that's where 5700 is currently rolling around as a decent contender.

luisxd 12-15-2019 06:18 PM

sounds like raven ridge with vega 11

ZealotKi11er 12-15-2019 07:18 PM

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Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28239476)
what? you can do 1080p120 just fine with much lesser hardware than 5700 series, and still have settings decently high. many of us have been 1080p120+ gaming for farking ages man. n you've been here the whole time. +60FPS gaming @ 1080p has been going on since Keplar. that's when i remember folks around here starting to get high hz 1080p and 1440p screens imported, maxwell series wiped the floor w. 1080p120

you're getting confused with 1440p120. that's where 5700 is currently rolling around as a decent contender.

I have been running 4K since 7970 but if I try to run 4K with 7970 now it will not work well.

skupples 12-15-2019 07:25 PM

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Originally Posted by ZealotKi11er (Post 28239592)
I have been running 4K since 7970 but if I try to run 4K with 7970 now it will not work well.

the same stuff you played back then on 7970 would still work out fine.

and exactly, that's the same time frame i'm referring to. :P

randomizer 12-16-2019 02:39 AM

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Originally Posted by skupples (Post 28239476)
you're getting confused with 1440p120. that's where 5700 is currently rolling around as a decent contender.

Yeah there's a big difference between 1080p and 1440p. If I played at the former my 970 wouldn't be struggling to keep 50FPS :)

dagget3450 12-16-2019 06:29 AM

The only way 8k120fps will happen is through this garbage dynamic resolution crap Nvidia/and/consoles push now. You'll be seeing 8k like "desktop resolution" with 720p upscaling and junk. I.E. dlss/and boost. No thanks, looks like resolution will be the next snake oil method to sell new gpus/consoles. I guess I am old school Boomer like mentality, I do like fps over hi fidelity in some fps like games, but I really enjoy hi fidelity resolution in games you can get by with it.


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