Originally Posted by white owl
Yeah I know the difference but can you please tell me who makes good CLCs?! PLEASE!
Every time someone asks for help with component selection the inevitable happens...no matter the cooler selected they'll say "I think I'll go with a 240mm Corsair unit instead" as if they can't cobble a computer together by reading reviews but they know 100% for a fact that Corsair makes the best cooling products known to man.
I need the names of good AIOs to tell them, since I like air cooling I don't actually know the names. I just tell them about the many Corsair pump failure and insufficient mounting pressure threads I've seen.
Why anyone would buy a temporary $150 cooler that performs the same as a permanent $70 air cooler is beyond me...
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Short answer is Swiftech is the only good AIO if you are in USA and there are no good CLCs that I know of.
CLCs by simply not having a fill plug for topping up coolant means they are no good. This is because liquid that evaporates out of system though hoses, fittings, etc. has no way of being replaced .. and if system is being used on a high wattage CPU / GPU (like when overclocked) there will be coolant loss and system will gradually become low on coolant, and in 1-2 years with no way to top it up the pump gets air into it and dies. Okay, some last longer but most of the long lasting ones are not high wattage. Most CLCs sold are made by Asetek with CoolerMaster and CoolIT also making some, with Dynatron, maybe DeepCool and Apaltek making very few. There are probably some others being made & marketed in Asia that I don't know about. Asetek has USA patent on CLCs with pump on waterblock, so all pump on waterblock CLCs sold in USA are either Asetek or paying Asetek patent royalties. I believe Swiftech was the first to use the pump on waterblock in their original AIO, but chose to stop making it when Asetek filed suit against them .. Swiftech unit had fill plug, threaded fittings, copper radiator, etc. But because pump was on waterblock it was considered patent infringement in USA.
CoolerMaster had to pay $600,000.00 to Asetek for patent infringment for making and selling the design Swiftech originally made.
I don't know when Asetek applied for USA patent, but EU patent was applied for in Novermber 2004, but The Hague's court in Netherlands. Cooler Master's argument that they too have a similar patent to Asetek's, through a so-called "utility model" that already exists in China, which describes (and patents really show their problems here) the "operation of a water pumping engine device with chamber". The Hague judge also invalidated Asetek's patent lawsuit on the basis that there was not enough inventiveness to it. Asetelk had to pay CoolerMaster $134,204 to cover their legal fees against patent infringement. To the best of my knowledge the Swiftech H220 pump on waterblock (similar to CoolerMaster's) was first made and sold in 2005. I believe Asetek patent US 8,240,362 applied for in 2003-11-07 is the patent for pump on waterblock concept.
The best AIO are still Swiftech .. their H series. be quiet! Silent Loop (made by Alphacool) are also good, but other Alphacool AIOs don't seem to be as good .. combined with Alphacool having horrible customer support means not good. Alphacool made AIOs are not sold in USA because of Asetek's USA patent on pump on waterbo=lcok concept.