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As long as a game uses 8-Pcore you will have 5.7GHz. Don't fool yourself.
13900K 350W rendering
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Good. Show me a game that uses 8 cores.
What is your actual config for core ratios? I've been looking for a good game config that also properly downclocks under an all core load. Played some with TVB and power limits, but not 100% satisfied with either.
Some games do run low load threads on many cores. Some like CP2077 run a thread on all cores, just with a low load.
Not siding with anyone here, just genuinely curious at what other configs people have found to work.
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What that Intel engineer said is nothing new under the sun
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"All there in the manual": if Tjmax for a 13900KS is 100C then 99C is long term reliable, which in turns makes 100C long term reliable and irrelevant too from a scientific standpoint since that's the temperature at which the CPU will regulate. That's all like he said "as long a you're under the stock voltage and PL1" which is said here too: voltage and frequency modifications are straight up considered overclocks (their long term reliability is out of the bargain) and here's mentioning processor base TDP which is PL1 for all intents and purposes.
Like it or not an stock Intel CPU can run at 100C during heavy load no problem and still last as intended. Another case is an overclocked CPU: that's actually when nothing is a given
So stop spreading statements out of context: if unsure double check the sources.
As for games thread usage that's too much work to know for certain: but nowadays little things are single threaded or even use a few cores.
Almost any game using DX11 uses at least 8 cores: depending on how demanding they're(and year of release) and target frame rate they may get away with 4 cores or 6 cores. Albeit strangling core count is may hurt stable frame rates: but even this can be countered with configuration, allow the game to prepare more frames on the CPU ahead of the GPU and there's a trade between more stable frame rate, but higher latency. But fixes it.
DX 12 use even more cores with more evenly spreaded load than DX 11: that's the main reason why DX 12 games(most modern ones) are actually able to render well past 200 FPS assuming the GPU doesn't botteneck. Again configuring frames rendered ahead by the CPU serves as a software workaround to fix unstable frame rate at the cost of increased latency.
But in general this is all too a complex scenario with many knobs to touch in order to get it working the best possible way in any hardware/software combo: so it's really way more complex than some arbitrary number of cores needed to run games.
"All there in the manual": if Tjmax for a 13900KS is 100C then 99C is long term reliable, which in turns makes 100C long term reliable and irrelevant too from a scientific standpoint since that's the temperature at which the CPU will regulate. That's all like he said "as long a you're under the stock voltage and PL1" which is said here too: voltage and frequency modifications are straight up considered overclocks (their long term reliability is out of the bargain) and here's mentioning processor base TDP which is PL1 for all intents and purposes.
Like it or not an stock Intel CPU can run at 100C during heavy load no problem and still last as intended. Another case is an overclocked CPU: that's actually when nothing is a given
So stop spreading statements out of context: if unsure double check the sources.
As for games thread usage that's too much work to know for certain: but nowadays little things are single threaded or even use a few cores.
Almost any game using DX11 uses at least 8 cores: depending on how demanding they're(and year of release) and target frame rate they may get away with 4 cores or 6 cores. Albeit strangling core count is may hurt stable frame rates: but even this can be countered with configuration, allow the game to prepare more frames on the CPU ahead of the GPU and there's a trade between more stable frame rate, but higher latency. But fixes it.
DX 12 use even more cores with more evenly spreaded load than DX 11: that's the main reason why DX 12 games(most modern ones) are actually able to render well past 200 FPS assuming the GPU doesn't botteneck. Again configuring frames rendered ahead by the CPU serves as a software workaround to fix unstable frame rate at the cost of increased latency.
But in general this is all too a complex scenario with many knobs to touch in order to get it working the best possible way in any hardware/software combo: so it's really way more complex than some arbitrary number of cores needed to run games.
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Easy. Any game can be optimized to use 8 P-core and even 8 E-core.
I don't run 5.7GHz instead.
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Intel only said "may" result in damage when running out of specification. Since this is overvolted OC at 350W. It's already far from specification. What is the concern? Warranty? Degradation?
The CPU runs just fine. All it can be debated is something like "time will tell" several years later. But a year later a 14600K can run just as fast as 13900K. The OC is over then.
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Yes, there are people that OC that don’t buy new chip each year 😂..
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I am not sure what the point is here.
You have an over volted and over LLC'd chip that runs at 100C and renders. Ok. StAndrew has a chip that clocks just as well and pulls less power.
I am struggling to see the point here.
CPU has been and probably will be the most resilient component for quite a long time, but not due to high temps, high volts and no vdroop.
The purpose of OCing used to be to get a processor at half the cost, have good cooling and OC the snot out of till it surpasses the most expensive thing that could be bought.
Have to admit, I am still missing what the bread and butter I am supposed take away from the OP is.
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These motherboards do not have control over both undervolting and overvolting. It is only possible to choose one. That's why StAndrew, with an undervolted curve, can only achieve 5.7GHz in games with a slight load. If he wants to reach an overclock ratio of 8-core 6GHz, he needs a higher LLC to overvolt.
My point is that it's more beneficial for performance to run an overvolted 1.44V 6.0GHz all-core ratio for light loads. Heavy loads are rare, and even at an overvolted 350W and 100C, the CPU is still fine. Therefore, there is no point in having an undervolted setting for heavy loads that you don't use often, but instead limit the CPU to 5.7GHz for light loads where you use the CPU the most.
Regarding cost, I don't even need to delid this generation. I just put in a 280mm AIO, and that's it.
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How do you know it is fine? It hasn't been out that long. What is your testing period length that you feel confident to state this? Overvoltage and heat are the exact things that degrade a cpu over time. Sure you could buy another cpu in a year. Why should anyone listen to your advice if your unconcerned about the longevity of your components?
You stated yourself that you have a 5.7 all core load. So does StAndew. I feel english is not your first language so maybe I will just chalk this up to that.
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I have 6.0GHz all-core at light loads in games, while I achieve 5.7GHz at 350W during heavy loads. StAndrew doesn't have 6.0GHz in games because his setting is 5.7GHz all-core, while mine is always set to 6.0GHz all-core. This is why he's too shy to show his game screenshots.
I've been running overvolted like this for two months, doing 350W heavy rendering each session for about 6 hours. When I run Prime95 smallFFT, it doesn't even reach 350W; it only hits 330W.
As I've mentioned before, the only thing up for debate is something like "time will tell," and that will be several years later.
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That's not what StAndew said. He hits between 5.9 and 6.1 in games with TVB and a 5.7 all core load. Yes time will tell. So why should anyone listen to this advice? How long have you been OC'ing? Jumpers ring a bell?
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He only said so to just show a desktop screenshot that runs nothing. Then where is the screenshot in game? He has 5.7GHz in games.
As I always said I've been running overvolted like this for two months, doing 350W heavy rendering each session for about 6 hours. The CPU is just fine.
I know these motherboards don't have full range of voltage on the both end in the very beginning.
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You do you
Just pump volts and heat into it, I am sure it will work out fine.
I probably should have stopped responding a post ago.
What happened to this forum?
Two months? That is nothing.
Just pump volts and heat into it, I am sure it will work out fine.
I probably should have stopped responding a post ago.
What happened to this forum?
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So much for your all-core 6GHz. Only a few 6Ghz bouncing for a few seconds.
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I like how you imagine motherboard works without actually testing it yourself instead of letting all the imagination fly off the cliff.
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I can't take you seriously, and you can't even address counter points that were brought up to you.
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What counter points you have given? Running the CPU 24/7 for a year instead? I've been running this CPU for two months.
The only thing up for debate is something like "time will tell". Time is on my side I'm afraid.
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