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3 1TB drives set up in raid 0 with only 2TB of space?

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All three say they are being used in the array so i don't think they aren't connected it just says my C: is only 1.99TB (oddly although i have about 1TB on here the blue bar that shows a visible representation of the hard drive space doesn't look like it's half way...).
I'm running Windows 7 64 bit
3 1TB black caviars
etc. from sig

I heard rumor that windows just doesn't know how to deal with more than two TB of data and thus it just says i've got 2TB when i actually have 3.
any thoughts?
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If there was only 2 working then it would be like 1.86 TB, so if it says 1.99, and the bar isnt half way with 1tb on it, then it must be windows like you say. No idea why it would do this though, did they really not plan for anyone to have over 2tb?!
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All three say they are being used in the array so i don't think they aren't connected it just says my C: is only 1.99TB (oddly although i have about 1TB on here the blue bar that shows a visible representation of the hard drive space doesn't look like it's half way...).
I'm running Windows 7 64 bit
3 1TB black caviars
etc. from sig

I heard rumor that windows just doesn't know how to deal with more than two TB of data and thus it just says i've got 2TB when i actually have 3.
any thoughts?
Windows has a limitation in which you can only create 2TB partitions. It's a limitation of MBR disks. If you want to utilize a single partition greater than 2TB, you have to convert the physical disk (In Disk Manager) to a GPT disk.

You can reference this article as a starting point:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device.../GPT_FAQ.mspx1
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what does your disk manager tell you, meaning does it see all the drives and correct sizes and what category are they running (ie: primary, local...etc)
RAID 5 Maybe?
(Random thought)
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Windows has a limitation in which you can only create 2TB partitions. It's a limitation of MBR disks. If you want to utilize a single partition greater than 2TB, you have to convert the physical disk (In Disk Manager) to a GPT disk.

You can reference this article as a starting point:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device.../GPT_FAQ.mspx1
This. If only two were being used, it would be 1.86 as previously stated. You'll have to reformat the discs if memory serves right.
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Reference this KB for additional information:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946557

After you convert to a GPT disk, you *might* be able to use the Diskpart.exe command to extend the size of the C: partition. No guarantees though, I've never worked with GPT disks in that way.
In all honesty, I wouldn't recommend trying to get a 3TB boot partition going. There's a ton of small files that are installed as part of the operating system. With a 3TB partition, your cluster sizes are going to be huge, and you're going to end up with a lot of wasted space. Not to mention it's going to be fragged all the way to hell after a while.

Not even sure if Windows 7 x64 can boot from a GPT disk on the systems that are currently available at the consumer / pro-consumer level. Short-stroking, or partitioning is probably your best way to go.

Alternatively, you might be better off using another, smaller drive as a boot drive. Or smaller driveS in RAID-0. No problems using a 3TB RAID-0 array configured in GPT as a data drive.
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Windows has a limitation in which you can only create 2TB partitions. It's a limitation of MBR disks. If you want to utilize a single partition greater than 2TB, you have to convert the physical disk (In Disk Manager) to a GPT disk.

You can reference this article as a starting point:
http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device.../GPT_FAQ.mspx1

your link was not working for me. here is another link that might share some info on what you were talking about

http://www.microsoft.com/whdc/device...e/GPT_FAQ.mspx

now that i pasted it. looks the same
just no 1 on the end

-->OP try partitioning your drive into a 2tb and a 1tb drive. see if it will let you do that. if so. id just use the 1tb as a system drive and keep the other 2 as a storage drive
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Windows can only deal with a maximum of 2TB in a raid array if winodws is installed on that pertition.
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Originally Posted by ComGuards View Post
Reference this KB for additional information:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/946557

After you convert to a GPT disk, you *might* be able to use the Diskpart.exe command to extend the size of the C: partition. No guarantees though, I've never worked with GPT disks in that way.
I can't wait until 2.5TB HDDs come out. Oh, the confusion that will ensue.
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wow guys, that's a lot of help, really fast, thanks


ok, a few things:
definitely not RAID 0+1 or RAID 5, as i've checked the stripe size is correct for plain ole' RAID 0 (according to EVGA)

now i'm definitely taking ComGuards' warning into account here, would you say the benefits of short stroking would be great?
it appears my best options are to either short stroke or to do some hard drive shifting and take one off the RAID set up with the OS
although i'd loose some space (it is, admittedly quite a bit of space that i have to begin with...) wouldn't short stroking keep my speed up (especially for that one lone drive that would be kicked out of the array?)
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I can't wait until 2.5TB HDDs come out. Oh, the confusion that will ensue.


I hear ya on that one. Actually the screams have already started in the corporate world. Had a bunch of clients ask me what to do with their iSCSI disks configured with 32x 1TB drives in RAID-10 (16GB usable space), and they couldn't create partitions bigger than 2TB!


No big deal when configured as SANs and NAS anyways, since the boot drives are still usually "puny" 500GB or 1TB RAID-1 arrays usually (for redundancy).
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wow guys, that's a lot of help, really fast, thanks


ok, a few things:
definitely not RAID 0+1 or RAID 5, as i've checked the stripe size is correct for plain ole' RAID 0 (according to EVGA)

now i'm definitely taking ComGuards' warning into account here, would you say the benefits of short stroking would be great?
it appears my best options are to either short stroke or to do some hard drive shifting and take one off the RAID set up with the OS
although i'd loose some space (it is, admittedly quite a bit of space that i have to begin with...) wouldn't short stroking keep my speed up (especially for that one lone drive that would be kicked out of the array?)

Check out that THG article for synthetic benchmarks. Might give you a better "objective" answer.

Honestly, if you can, get another pair of WD Blacks or Samsung Spinpoints as a separate RAID-0 for your OS and stuff... should give you more than enough speed


Otherwise.... Maybe DuckieHo might have a better suggestion...
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The problem is not that you can't have a partition larger than 2TB. What you can't have is a Boot Partition bigger than 2TB.

Don't know what you have on your disks now, but if you can back up your data. You need to recreate your array with two partitions. install the OS on a small partition, say 80MB. Once installed, you can go into Disk management, and create a GPT disk on the remaining space. This GPT Virtual Disk can only be used for Data storage. If you later decide that you still need more space, additional HDD can be added, and extended into your 2.99 TB Virtual Disk.
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I hear ya on that one. Actually the screams have already started in the corporate world. Had a bunch of clients ask me what to do with their iSCSI disks configured with 32x 1TB drives in RAID-10 (16GB usable space), and they couldn't create partitions bigger than 2TB!


No big deal when configured as SANs and NAS anyways, since the boot drives are still usually "puny" 500GB or 1TB RAID-1 arrays usually (for redundancy).

I got a call today about a 1.5TB only having 127GB usable... This still comes up like 7 years later.
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The problem is not that you can't have a partition larger than 2TB. What you can't have is a Boot Partition bigger than 2TB.

Don't know what you have on your disks now, but if you can back up your data. You need to recreate your array with two partitions. install the OS on a small partition, say 80MB. Once installed, you can go into Disk management, and create a GPT disk on the remaining space. This GPT Virtual Disk can only be used for Data storage. If you later decide that you still need more space, additional HDD can be added, and extended into your 2.99 TB Virtual Disk.

i feel like this has already happened? unless i'm misunderstanding things here?
Disk Manager Set Up:
(C: ) 2.04TB
Simple Drive (D: ) 1 TB (I have an extra 1 TB that's not in my array for storage)
System Reserved 100MB

granted that partition is still on my c: it seems that smaller chunk would be my "boot partition" as you say it, no?
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The problem is not that you can't have a partition larger than 2TB. What you can't have is a Boot Partition bigger than 2TB.

Don't know what you have on your disks now, but if you can back up your data. You need to recreate your array with two partitions. install the OS on a small partition, say 80MB. Once installed, you can go into Disk management, and create a GPT disk on the remaining space. This GPT Virtual Disk can only be used for Data storage. If you later decide that you still need more space, additional HDD can be added, and extended into your 2.99 TB Virtual Disk.

Uhh... that won't work. The GPT conversion in Windows Disk Manager applies to the entire logical disk. If his boot partition and data partition are on the same logical disk, he's still screwed in terms of upgrading to a GPT disk. i.e. to upgrade to GPT, you select the actual "DISK" and not one of the partitions on the disk.
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I got a call today about a 1.5TB only having 127GB usable... This still comes up like 7 years later.


Have you gotten the call about the broken coffee cup holder yet? You know the one that is "so cool because it ejects out of the computer"?
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