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300-400 dollar watercooling kit/Lots of questions

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Well, I have some money coming my way, and I am debating between getting a water kit or some quality speakers. I guess I want to weigh my options, and then probably go one or the other. I would primarily be using this for my CPU, since I don't really game any more. Before I get serious about water though I have a few questions.

I have a E8500 wolfdale at 4.0ghz, and let me tell you I got really unlucky with this chip. I mean it is a crap OC'er. I have to set my vid to 1.4 in the bios (1.376 in CPU-Z) to get it stable at that speed. It idles at about 32C and hits full load somewhere around 57C according to real temp. Do you think putting it under water would give me a higher OC? If my CPU is under watter would it be safe to raise the v core higher?

In the future I plan on upgrading to an 8 core or six core machine. As such the TDP on those will probably be pretty outrageous. One nice thing about air cooling is that is scales well to temps. As wattage rises temperatures rise steadily, it doesn't have a "threshold". If the temps on my CPU are pretty high will water keep them in check, or after a certain point will the physics of the thing let temperatures get out of control? For instance just for the sake of argument a 95 watt quad might hit load at 57C under good water and be fine, but a 150 watt monster octo core will go up to 80C or higher because the temperatures are out of waters effective range?

How long can you expect a good water kit to last? Like I said, I plan on upgrading eventually, but not for almost a year. If I get a water kit I want to be able to use must of my parts over and over again as I buy new blocks to transition to different platforms. What is the realistic MBF for thing link pumps, radiators, reserviors, whatever?

Ok finally, the parts list. I have 300-400 dollars to spend if I decide to go with water. I want quality durable parts. For me the CPU block is actually a secondary concern since my current processor is doing just fine under air. I would like to find a good quality CPU block that will work on my 775 and my future 1366. However, I would rather just get a D tek fuzion now and a good 1366 block later if the ones that fit both are just crap. Anyway, I know I rambled on a bit, but any help would be really appreciated
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watercooling will indeed allow you to push the volts.. 1.5 should be fine i think, not sure about 45nm though... i run my 65nm Q6600 at 1.65v and it runs 45C load.
water will have similar scaling to air... its only when you start messing with TECs and phase that you need to start watching out for high TDPs and build stuff accordingly.

for 3-400...
Swiftech GTZ
Laing DDC3.2 (AKA Swiftech MCP355) with XSPC restop
GTX360 rad for performance, or Feser 360 for fans under 70 CFM, Magicool Elegant 360 (only available at Performance PC's is a great allrounder, and a nice space saver, it also has an integrated reservoir so you can get a normal top for the DDC or get a D5 instead.
i'd go with 3/8" tubing.. i prefer it over 1/2" which most guys here seem to like... they use 7/16" tubing on 1/2" barbs, but 3/8" compression fittings are quite affordable compared to the 1/2" variant and im a huge fan of those type of fittings... very reliable and very good looking, no need to mess with clamps either.
you can probably sqeeze in 2 Swiftech GPU blocks and some RAM sinks with that budget.. put those 4850s on water too
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watercooling will indeed allow you to push the volts.. 1.5 should be fine i think, not sure about 45nm though... i run my 65nm Q6600 at 1.65v and it runs 45C load.
water will have similar scaling to air... its only when you start messing with TECs and phase that you need to start watching out for high TDPs and build stuff accordingly.

for 3-400...
Swiftech GTZ
Laing DDC3.2 (AKA Swiftech MCP355) with XSPC restop
GTX360 rad for performance, or Feser 360 for fans under 70 CFM, Magicool Elegant 360 (only available at Performance PC's is a great allrounder, and a nice space saver, it also has an integrated reservoir so you can get a normal top for the DDC or get a D5 instead.
i'd go with 3/8" tubing.. i prefer it over 1/2" which most guys here seem to like... they use 7/16" tubing on 1/2" barbs, but 3/8" compression fittings are quite affordable compared to the 1/2" variant and im a huge fan of those type of fittings... very reliable and very good looking, no need to mess with clamps either.
you can probably sqeeze in 2 Swiftech GPU blocks and some RAM sinks with that budget.. put those 4850s on water too


I agree..

Now I know why you like using 3/8" tubing

Now it make sense..I also love those compression fittings but they are too expensive IMHO for my 7/16" ID tubing..
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watercooling will indeed allow you to push the volts.. 1.5 should be fine i think, not sure about 45nm though... i run my 65nm Q6600 at 1.65v and it runs 45C load.
water will have similar scaling to air... its only when you start messing with TECs and phase that you need to start watching out for high TDPs and build stuff accordingly.

for 3-400...
Swiftech GTZ
Laing DDC3.2 (AKA Swiftech MCP355) with XSPC restop
GTX360 rad for performance, or Feser 360 for fans under 70 CFM, Magicool Elegant 360 (only available at Performance PC's is a great allrounder, and a nice space saver, it also has an integrated reservoir so you can get a normal top for the DDC or get a D5 instead.
i'd go with 3/8" tubing.. i prefer it over 1/2" which most guys here seem to like... they use 7/16" tubing on 1/2" barbs, but 3/8" compression fittings are quite affordable compared to the 1/2" variant and im a huge fan of those type of fittings... very reliable and very good looking, no need to mess with clamps either.
you can probably sqeeze in 2 Swiftech GPU blocks and some RAM sinks with that budget.. put those 4850s on water too

1.5V on a 45nm dual?!


I'm pushing 1.39V on my 45nm quad (more resilient that duals) and I'm a little worried about that as it is.

But yea, Chiel's list of parts is good.

If I were you I would just grab an Apogee GTZ CPU block and call it a day. There is a Skt 1366 mounting kit available when you choose to upgrade.
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watercooling will indeed allow you to push the volts.. 1.5 should be fine i think, not sure about 45nm though... i run my 65nm Q6600 at 1.65v and it runs 45C load.
water will have similar scaling to air... its only when you start messing with TECs and phase that you need to start watching out for high TDPs and build stuff accordingly.

for 3-400...
Swiftech GTZ
Laing DDC3.2 (AKA Swiftech MCP355) with XSPC restop
GTX360 rad for performance, or Feser 360 for fans under 70 CFM, Magicool Elegant 360 (only available at Performance PC's is a great allrounder, and a nice space saver, it also has an integrated reservoir so you can get a normal top for the DDC or get a D5 instead.
i'd go with 3/8" tubing.. i prefer it over 1/2" which most guys here seem to like... they use 7/16" tubing on 1/2" barbs, but 3/8" compression fittings are quite affordable compared to the 1/2" variant and im a huge fan of those type of fittings... very reliable and very good looking, no need to mess with clamps either.
you can probably sqeeze in 2 Swiftech GPU blocks and some RAM sinks with that budget.. put those 4850s on water too
Ok, so I should get the following:

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/79...aterblock.html

http://www.crazypc.com/products/mcp355-93345.html

http://www.dangerden.com/store/produ...?productid=260

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/71...tl=g30c101s767

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/71...?tl=g30c99s171

Right? Did I miss something? I am sure I can get it cheaper, but where at? Also, I noticed no resevoir, is that important?

I may shoot for RAM heatsink because I think I might be able to get more speed out of my kit yet, but it is unlikely at this time I will be getting a GPU block. I have an aftermarket cooler and works fine, volt modding has left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth lately, and I don't game anymore.
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I agree..

Now I know why you like using 3/8" tubing

Now it make sense..I also love those compression fittings but they are too expensive IMHO for my 7/16" ID tubing..

theres more to it than that, really.. its an easier type of tubing to work with ive heard, i'll try the full 1/2"/3/4" sometime though... I wanna do something with those 2 types and 1/4" tubing.. the 3 sizes look insane running past eachother... hope to get some more WC end this year... when i'll be upgrading my graphics and monitor.

EDIT: @mothergoose: those parts are great, but if you use normal barbed fittings make sure to get hose clamps... and beware that UV red is always pink in reality.
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What barbs would you recommend instead?
i like compression fittings, for the reasons i mentioned, if you get normal barbs you could just as well use 1/2" barbs with clamps and the 7/16" masterkleer tubing everyone here likes... probably for a reason.
Everything looks pretty copacetic except I didn't see any rad. From what I understand a rad makes the loop easier to bleed than a T line. Please post the pics if you decide on WC'ing vs speakers


DCing for the CURE
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Any other opinions on tubing and barbs? Parts either, just to get some variety?
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Ok, so I should get the following:

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/79...aterblock.html

http://www.crazypc.com/products/mcp355-93345.html

http://www.dangerden.com/store/produ...?productid=260

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/71...tl=g30c101s767

http://www.frozencpu.com/products/71...?tl=g30c99s171

Right? Did I miss something? I am sure I can get it cheaper, but where at? Also, I noticed no resevoir, is that important?

I may shoot for RAM heatsink because I think I might be able to get more speed out of my kit yet, but it is unlikely at this time I will be getting a GPU block. I have an aftermarket cooler and works fine, volt modding has left a bit of a sour taste in my mouth lately, and I don't game anymore.
Yes you are right, you can get some of your stuff cheaper. Here is a link of your GTX 360 rad for only $99.0usd:
http://www.jab-tech.com/Black-Ice-GT...r-pr-3613.html

browse through the site to find your other parts, I know you should be able to get most of you parts there for cheap. I think their Apogee GTZ is only around $61.0usd..

And just in case you want to use some UV Feser one coolant you can get them here for ~$7.50usd + shipping, these coolants usually sell for ~$17.00usd+shipping: http://www.ncixus.com/products/28353...6/Feser%20One/
that is just one example, you could get a different color if you like(but I think only blue,red,pink,purple,yellow are $7.38usd)

By the way, a lot or people here buy their WC parts from Jabtech, so you shouldnt have any problems w/ them.. I just bought some WC stuff from them and I will get it today...Good luck with your setup
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sure... a good alternative for the CPU block would be an EK Supreme, but beware its hightly restrictive.. another option would be the Heatkiller rev 3.0, it outperforms the EK and is less restrictive... but also a little harder to find, and the full copper version is quite expensive. the Delrin is cheaper, called the LT version. There's also an LC version, which is even cheaper, also made of delrin, and is less restrictive, but the performance is slightly less... in between the EK supreme and the other versions of the 3.0, so its still very good. it would be best if you could find one of those, but i think if you upgrade to a new socket you have to buy some mounting plates seperately, the backplate is also sold seperately.

yeah, jab-tech is good, petrastechshop.com is great, sidewindercomputers is really nice... i like to order everything from a single site, just saves a lot of hassle. We have aquatuning.de in europe, they have almost everything. They ship worldwide though, so if you ever find something there you cant find in the US...
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I can build you a great water cooling rig for just over 300 bucks.

First, http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/ is your friend. They have EVERYTHING you will need and the owner Gary is just a great guy. He will personally talk with you if you have concerns and resolve them in a flash. Now on to your build;

CPU block:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swapgtzexpew.html
Apogee GTZ

Reservoir:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmcmire2re.html
Swiftech MCRES Micro Revision 2

Pump:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/swmc12vdcpu.html
Swiftech MCP655

Radiator:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/fex24xtpera.html
Feser X-Changer Dual 240mm Extreme
(Make sure you also get the fittings for it at the bottom of the page)

Tubing:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/dupvctu1idx3.html
Same as Tygon but only .69 a foot

Coolant and algee killer:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/hyexduco.html
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/peptcobi1.html

Enjoy!
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also really nice... instead of the feser you could get a GTX360 for 10$ less, its bigger so you can get away with less powerful fans, and you have more capacity to use if you add the GPUs. this rad will handle anything short of Skulltrail.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/hwlablicegtb4.html
I've ordered around a bit too... I have to say: For me, Jab-tech seems to be the best prices, they're cool guys, and they're only 2 states away in OK which means I get my stuff in 1-2 days.

Petra's owns, Sidewinders seems to be getting a great rep lately but I think that some of the prices could be better... Let them get established a little, and they'll get better buying power which will translate to selling at cheaper prices. It's win/win.

Another distinct perk: They use "Fed Ex Home" as their standard delivery. Home only delivers to residential, but, they operate Tue-Sat. Not Sun/Mon. They deliver on SATURDAY for no extra fee! For a 9-5'er, that's just huge.
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also really nice... instead of the feser you could get a GTX360 for 10$ less, its bigger so you can get away with less powerful fans, and you have more capacity to use if you add the GPUs. this rad will handle anything short of Skulltrail.
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/hwlablicegtb4.html

Woohoo!! I second that..Althought I have yet to receive mine, I am sure the GTX360 will be an awesome performer..
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yeah, you wont be disappointed


I wonder when am I going to have some "Liquid Awesome (-273.15°C)", I bet It would be expensive..
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yeah, its pretty expensive, but i managed to aqcuire the equipment to produce it
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