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DigiTimes reports ATI is expecting to produce 45nm products at TSMC in 2008. There’s no mention as to what products will make the transition to the 45nm fabrication first, though it wouldn’t be too surprising to see ATI manufacturer RD790 on a 45nm process.

TSMC released details earlier this year on its 45nm process, revealing some of the challenges faced with the shrink. The 2008 timeframe set by ATI falls in-line with AMD's plans to move to 45nm for its processors, though Intel may reach the 45nm mark first by 2007.

At a press conference last week, ATI confirmed that the yields from the 80nm process are stable, and plans to move the rest of its graphics lineup over to 80nm in the first half of 2007.

ATI currently produces much of its product line on the 90nm process. One of the benefits of moving from 90nm to 80nm is that production costs are reduced by 10-15%, according to ATI. The reduction in cost comes from the fact that more chips can be produced at 80nm than 90nm on a single 300mm wafer.

Currently, ATI only has one 80nm GPUâ€"the Radeon X1950 Pro. A second 80nm product in the form of the RV560 Radeon X1650XT is expected to arrive before the end of the month.

 

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Originally Posted by Mikey122687

08, lol thats 1 years and 2 months from now, thats too long

Do you realise how long it has taken to go from 90nm to 65? About four years I think
 

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This is long overdue as these bloody video cards are taking up way too much power and the cooling is getting rediculous. This needs to happen by Q107 really as I'm not about to go out and get a 1000Watt powersupply for my computer, sorry, I'd rather just get a Wii and put an X300 in my computer. This power consumption is insane.
 

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Originally Posted by Penicilyn

This is long overdue as these bloody video cards are taking up way too much power and the cooling is getting rediculous. This needs to happen by Q107 really as I'm not about to go out and get a 1000Watt powersupply for my computer, sorry, I'd rather just get a Wii and put an X300 in my computer. This power consumption is insane.

Don't talk crazy now!
 

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Well the G80 is a beast for power and I doubt the X2k series of ATI's are going to be any better, 1KW doesn't seem far out
and I really dont like having my computer consumer more power then a Oven!
 

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Originally Posted by Mootsfox

Whoa, getting tiny. I don't want my GPU to have a smaller process type though...just doesn't seem right.

A smaller transistor has no negative ramifications, but has many beneficial ones. A smaller transistor will take less current to turn on/off and will generate less heat as a result of this. Bottomline, the smaller...the better.
 

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Well to be honest someone does need to go balls to the wall on this. If say ATi does do this they would be leauges ahead of Nvidia and pretty much sitting pretty for some time. Worst case scenario they keep releasing 80nm chips and go to 65nm chips just like Nvidia.

Oh and it seems the cards are producing more power isnt it? I mean look at the 8800 series coming out?

And that x1650xt looking very interesting.

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Originally Posted by Mr Pink57

Well to be honest someone does need to go balls to the wall on this. If say ATi does do this they would be leauges ahead of Nvidia and pretty much sitting pretty for some time. Worst case scenario they keep releasing 80nm chips and go to 65nm chips just like Nvidia.

Oh and it seems the cards are producing more power isnt it? I mean look at the 8800 series coming out?

And that x1650xt looking very interesting.

pink

I'm assuming you meant "consuming" rather than producing. Yes, current video cards consume more power than older cards, but that is not because of transistor size. It's due to the increased clock speeds and greater ram quantity. If the same speeds were obtainable on a larger transistor based product, the power consumption would be even greater.
 

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This is actually a big deal guys and if it can be pulled off will open the doors for some great performance opportunities while keeping heat at a level no greater than it is today. I am basing this on the assumption that we will see multi GPUs on cards and so will have close to the same total heat and power consumption that we have today. Regardless something has to be done before we start seeing 2k PSU's
 
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