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My parts are coming in tomorrow so I am here to ask some questions and get my 'research' done.

I have two Reference MSI 6950's on the way as well as a U3011. I haven't been on the red team since my 2600XT so I need some help here.

First off, what drivers are best for CFX 6950 right now? Coming from green team, I am used to using most updated drivers always, however I remember red cards sometimes run better on older drivers that are more stable.

What is the best method to deal with unlocking the shaders? As far as I have discovered, you can simply unlock the shaders and leave it as a 6950 or you can unlock it to a full 6970 (clocks + shaders). If I read correctly, there are potential problems with artifacts from messing around with the voltage and the memory clocks. I would like some clarification/advice in this area.

Hoping the red team treats me well here, and hopefully glad to be back ^.-

Thanks for the help in advance, I know this is a popular topic and probably boring!
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Hello people
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My parts are coming in tomorrow so I am here to ask some questions and get my 'research' done.

I have two Reference MSI 6950's on the way as well as a U3011. I haven't been on the red team since my 2600XT so I need some help here.

First off, what drivers are best for CFX 6950 right now? Coming from green team, I am used to using most updated drivers always, however I remember red cards sometimes run better on older drivers that are more stable.

What is the best method to deal with unlocking the shaders? As far as I have discovered, you can simply unlock the shaders and leave it as a 6950 or you can unlock it to a full 6970 (clocks + shaders). If I read correctly, there are potential problems with artifacts from messing around with the voltage and the memory clocks. I would like some clarification/advice in this area.

Hoping the red team treats me well here, and hopefully glad to be back ^.-

Thanks for the help in advance, I know this is a popular topic and probably boring!
I would just update to the latest drivers and if you have any problems with them just downgrade them. Simple as that. **Headbanging to Skrillex!!**
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I would just update to the latest drivers and if you have any problems with them just downgrade them. Simple as that. **Headbanging to Skrillex!!**

Thanks for the drivers advice


About the other part, what are people recommending now?

Is it best to leave them as 6950 and OC them heavy? Best to unlock shaders then light OC to be safe? Full on 6970 BIOS?
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Latest 11.4 drivers work the best for the 6xxx series. Driver roll back is for older cards as far as I know. If 11.4 do not work for you, then there must be something else going on.

Shaders unlock seemed safer to me when I did my research. Nets you a minimum of 3% performance over stock. And then just overclock to what you feel good. I went for 900/1350 on stock volt and happy with (max was 920/1400 - although I did not try more than 1400 on memory).
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Latest 11.4 drivers work the best for the 6xxx series. Driver roll back is for older cards as far as I know. If 11.4 do not work for you, then there must be something else going on.

Shaders unlock seemed safer to me when I did my research. Nets you a minimum of 3% performance over stock. And then just overclock to what you feel good. I went for 900/1350 on stock volt and happy with (max was 920/1400 - although I did not try more than 1400 on memory).

That sounds about right..I did read that overclocks on the memory can cause problems due to the differences in the power design on the two cards (6950 and 6970).

As far as the shader unlock goes, is that any different from a regular 6970 BIOS flash? When you unlock shaders only, is it just a modded 6950 BIOS or is the full 6970 BIOS?

Thanks for the input, going to get 11.4 downloaded now in preparation as well as the BIOS once I figured that out.
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That sounds about right..I did read that overclocks on the memory can cause problems due to the differences in the power design on the two cards (6950 and 6970).

As far as the shader unlock goes, is that any different from a regular 6970 BIOS flash? When you unlock shaders only, is it just a modded 6950 BIOS or is the full 6970 BIOS?

Thanks for the input, going to get 11.4 downloaded now in preparation as well as the BIOS once I figured that out.

You can just unlock the shaders, or use 6970 bios, which clocks it higher and changes the ram settings. Unlock the shaders, then OC to 6970 clocks, it's much better for your card.
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You can just unlock the shaders, or use 6970 bios, which clocks it higher and changes the ram settings. Unlock the shaders, then OC to 6970 clocks, it's much better for your card.

How do you just unlock the shaders? Is there a modded 6950 BIOS to do that? I see a lot of guides on how to simply flash a 6970 BIOS but not many on just unlocking the shaders alone.
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How do you just unlock the shaders? Is there a modded 6950 BIOS to do that? I see a lot of guides on how to simply flash a 6970 BIOS but not many on just unlocking the shaders alone.

http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/8....101123_1.html

Those should work and just unlock the shaders, then OC the difference if you want.
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http://www.techpowerup.com/vgabios/8....101123_1.html

Those should work and just unlock the shaders, then OC the difference if you want.

Thanks! Going to try this method first (unlocking shaders but leaving it as a 6950).

I have a feeling results will be more than enough to play BFBC2 with eye candy at 2600x1600
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Latest 11.4 drivers work the best for the 6xxx series. Driver roll back is for older cards as far as I know. If 11.4 do not work for you, then there must be something else going on.

Shaders unlock seemed safer to me when I did my research. Nets you a minimum of 3% performance over stock. And then just overclock to what you feel good. I went for 900/1350 on stock volt and happy with (max was 920/1400 - although I did not try more than 1400 on memory).

11.4 isn't the official release though, right? I found some early preview 11.4 drivers at Guru3D, are those the ones?

http://downloads.guru3d.com/AMD-Cata...load-2687.html
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Thanks! Going to try this method first (unlocking shaders but leaving it as a 6950).

I have a feeling results will be more than enough to play BFBC2 with eye candy at 2600x1600


It should be. The 6970s will kill the card most likely(due to different volts at stock, and different VRAM timings), while just unlocking will do nothing most likely
. Same performance too!
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You should be just fine with what AMD has put out as official (11.3 I believe). But I am using 11.4 and so far pretty happy with it. This where I got mine from:

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...lypreview.aspx
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You should be just fine with what AMD has put out as official (11.3 I believe). But I am using 11.4 and so far pretty happy with it. This where I got mine from:

http://support.amd.com/us/kbarticles...lypreview.aspx

Did you also do the unlock method instead of the full 6970 BIOS? Just interested since you have the cards


Downloaded the 11.4 drivers, going to try those once I get these in today.
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Did you also do the unlock method instead of the full 6970 BIOS? Just interested since you have the cards


Downloaded the 11.4 drivers, going to try those once I get these in today.

I believe he did, as he says unlocked and not flashed, not saying for sure though. But trust me, the 6970 bios will fry it MUCH quicker, due to different VRAM timings. The performance is the same, even with different RAM timings.
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I believe he did, as he says unlocked and not flashed, not saying for sure though. But trust me, the 6970 bios will fry it MUCH quicker, due to different VRAM timings. The performance is the same, even with different RAM timings.

I do trust that
I got the 6950 crossfire to get the best price / performance and save money, not to throw it away with risky stuff ^.-

Going to simply flash the modded 6950 and keep the volts stock or close and pump up the clocks a tiny bit
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I do trust that
I got the 6950 crossfire to get the best price / performance and save money, not to throw it away with risky stuff ^.-

Going to simply flash the modded 6950 and keep the volts stock or close and pump up the clocks a tiny bit


You can probably do 900 or more with some volt increases. It won't kill it, it's the different VRAM timings that do it in. I can probably mod some 6970 bios to have the 6950 volts and memory timings, so you can tri/quad fire it with a 6970 or 6990.
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Yes, I just unlocked shaders and overclocked. I used a registry hack method to overclock mine with CCC. I could never get MSI Afterburner to work right. I just wanted to go as far as stock volt will allow and fortunately my cards were pretty good about that.
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Yes, I just unlocked shaders and overclocked. I used a registry hack method to overclock mine with CCC. I could never get MSI Afterburner to work right. I just wanted to go as far as stock volt will allow and fortunately my cards were pretty good about that.

I have Afterburner up and working now with my 460, does that mean it will probably work with the new cards, or is it an issue localized to the 6950s, or just localized to you?

Curious because I am very comfortable doing my monitoring/overclocking with Afterburner.
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Here are some 6970(So you can tri/quad with a 6970/90) with the 6950 stock clocks, and memory timings. Also unlocked the over clocking, so you can clock higher
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Afterburner was fine with just one card. But with crossfire, it just did not want to play nice. I had two issues that I did not want to deal with:

1) The overclock will NOT stick to the second GPU on computer restart if you have the box 'apply Overclock to similar GPU' checked. The only way to have both GPU get the overclock is to uncheck that box and overclock both separately.
2) The second GPU would go to 100% load right off the bat on computer restart - on idle. The only way to bring it down to idle clocks is to start something graphically intensive such as Kombuster, furmark, and benchie and then just stop it.

I faced those issue with MSI AB 2.1 and never able to find a fix. Some folks got around that by save the overclock profile to a key. On computer restart, they hit the key to apply overclock. But to me, that did not resolve #2 and I did not want to hit a key to apply overclock each time I restart computer. Maybe later release of MSI AB has fixed that, but I quit inquiring.

I did the registry hack and CCC limits got increased to 1600 clock and 2500 memory. And it was overclocking galore ! If I needed volts, I was ready to mod my BIOS using RBE. Fortunately, mine went to 920 clock on stock volts.
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