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Does anyone know if and when K8L might be achieved, and, will it be compatible with current AM2 mobos? I'm thinking its about time for me to upgrade, and I really enjoy AMD, always have been a fan. I know that Core 2 Duo is where its at right now, but I appreciate supporting the underdog. Comments and suggestions greatly appreciated.
 

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who says there the "underdogs''? knowing amd, there cpu's will catch up very quickly..<img src="/images/smilies/gunner2.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Gunner2" class="inlineimg" />
 

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When compared to Intel's manfacturing status and marketing, AMD is VERY much an underdog. Anywho, anyone else?
 

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If you get an AM2 mobo, then the next-generation processors, K8L will be compatible. Am3 CPU's will be compatible, but DDR3 memory will not be. So if you want to upgrade your CPU, then you're fine. If you want DDR3 memory, you will need a new motherboard.<br />
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What would you recommend? How long until DDR3 mobos?
 

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DDR3 wont' be out for a while (Mid-2007 at least) and it wont' be fast at first. It'll take a while before it gets significantly faster.<br />
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If you're going AMD (not a bad choice too <img src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> ) then get an AM2 board for sure. I recommend the Asus M2N-SLI... Great overclocker too <img src="/images/smilies/smile.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Smile" class="inlineimg" /><br />
It's SLI-compatible of course, but it does a lot more too. Look it up on newegg <img src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" />
 

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I agree, if you want go AMD definately get an AM2 board. <br />
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Comparing Intel and AMD i personally believe Intel is looking much stronger at the moment, from what i read about the Barcelona cores i dont think Intel needs to worry, then again i may be wrong as im no processor designer <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" />.<br />
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If i was going to upgrade or build a pc at this time i would look for an Intel Mobo that will support Kentsfield and buy a cheap-ish core 2 duo, maybe an E6300 or 6600.<br />
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Hope that helps.
 

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Budget wise, I always suggest the Biostar boards. More specificly, the Biostar TForce 550. OCs nicely, cheap, and good boards over all. <img src="/images/smilies/biggrin.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Big Grin" class="inlineimg" /><br />
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For something more high end, look into the Asus - WiFi thinger. Haven't really looked into it though.
 

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I think Im going to stick AMD. I hear really good things about the Core 2 Duo's. as well as Kentsfield, and will not knock it. They are on top as of now with a VERY significant performance gain, as well as a marketing that consists of reasonable pricing... But, again, I'm partial to AMD. The only problem I'm having about a leap to AM2 is that I'm wondering if all new K8L's will be supported by the current AM2 boards like they say they are going to be. Also, I'm looking for good builds, with no excess of $600. This will need to include the motherboard, processor, memory, and a new PSU. I'm going to stay with my current 7600GT as I am very impressed with its performance, even when coming to Oblivion. Also, a special note on memory, I'd prefer 2 GB. I realize this will be difficult to achieve with $600 but its what I have to work with. Please try and keep it under 600, but at MOST 700. I can stretch if the rice/performance is worth it. I appreciate all suggestions into a decent build. Alright Chozart, lets see your specialty <img src="/images/smilies/wink.gif" border="0" alt="" title="Wink" class="inlineimg" /> <br />
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Side note: I read on the Inquirer that 65nm AMD's will be coming out soon, maybe by next month?
 

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65nm AM2 parts will be out in December, but it will be extreme hard finds.<br><br>
Dell is sucking up all the AMD processors atm.
 

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Ah, that sucks, guess I'll go with a cheap dual core, 3800 x2 for the time being. Better than what I have now...and 2 gigs of RAM will definitely help. Looking at OCZ DDR2 800, For the PSU Im looking at the NUUO, or the 600W Rosewill, both have decent reviews. And for my mobo, I think Im going to go with the Asus M2N, with SLI, just in case I feel like picking up another 7600 until the realease of some cheaper DX10s.
 

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It's a little over budget:<br />
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MoBo: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16813131013" target="_blank">Asus M2N-SLI Deluxe Socket AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 SLI</a> $143.99 <br />
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PSU: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16817103931" target="_blank">Antec TRUEPOWERII TPII-550 ATX12V 550W</a> $89.99 <br />
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CPU: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16819103735" target="_blank">AMD Athlon 64 X2 3800+ Windsor 2.0GHz Socket AM2</a> $163.00 <br />
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RAM: <a href="http://www.newegg.com/product/product.asp?item=N82E16820148017" target="_blank">Crucial Technology 2GB (2 x 1GB) DDR2 667 (PC2 5300)</a> $229.99 <br />
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Total: $626.97 <br />
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DDR2 800 is not really needed for an AMD system. AMD still prefers tighter timings over bandwidth, and generally, you won't hit as high an HTT, which the Intel boys hit way over 400MHz on their FSB. Now, what I don't know is if this RAM will work with the motherboard. I have heard those AM2 board, and particularly ASUS, is very picky with RAM. I think it's corsair that's recommended by ASUS themselves, but I am not sure. Check this out, and select a good, around $220 or so, DDR2 667 kit.<br />
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I think I heard a couple of members a while ago who had their NUUO fail. That, and it's low efficiency, moved it of my list of recommendations. Rosewill? Nay... stay away. Not worth the money, even if it came for free. They're just not reliable enough.
 

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The M2N-SLi is very poor overclocker from all my readings online as well. And Chozart is very right.....if you want the most compatible memory for asus, look to Corsair. I think you can find the 6400 for around 250 and the 6400C4 for about 270.
 

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Conclusion:<br />
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With your budget, I would wait a little longer. Save a few more bucks, so you can afford the higher-end motherboards (nForce 590)
 

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<div style="font-style:italic">The M2N-SLi is very poor overclocker from all my readings online as well. And Chozart is very right.....if you want the most compatible memory for asus, look to Corsair. I think you can find the 6400 for around 250 and the 6400C4 for about 270.</div>

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</div>That's not really a "very poor" overclocker.<br />
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M2N-E is considered to be a "very poor" overclocker, and I can still get it to do a 40% OC, and some people have done 60%.<br />
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It's a very decent and stable board, and very suitable for light overclocking (10-30%).
 

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I think I'll wait as suggested... My system plays games decent right now...<br><br>
I'm definitely sticking with AMD, as I've stated a few times now.<br><br>
Thanks everyone for suggestions, comments, and concerns.<br><br>
But I miss the joy of building... x,x
 
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